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ModelCitizen
2005-05-11, 12:56
Hello.
I'm getting a bit desperate.
My newly rented and listed cottage has only one phone point which is
situated in the lounge, so this is where my netgear adsl wireless
router/hub/firewall is. My main computers are a floor above this at the
other end of the house. I can't run cable so all devices in the house
connect to each other wirelessly.... which means I can't currently stream
lossless files to my Squeezebox as I get lots of drop outs, so I just stream
MP3's instead.... but the quality does not make me too happy.

I have just run out of hard disk space on my two PCS. I already have hard
drives stacked up in them, sitting on top of each other. I need more disk
space. I was just about to buy two Maxtor 300gb USB 2 external hard drives
for a grand total of about 320 UK pounds......

but....

I'm realising I may be in this rented house for longer than I originally
thought... so I want to find out if there is any way I can sort things out
so I can stream PCM to my Squeezebox.

I'm beginning to think that maybe my best solution may be some sort of box
that will hold lots of hard drives, make no noise at all... and that allows
me to run Slimserver on it.... so I can stick it next to the adsl hub in the
lounge. I would be using Windows computers to control it over the wireless
network (as it would not have a monitor and I am not Linux conversant)

Can anyone suggest a (not expensive) solution? Does it exist? I am getting
quite fed up of not being able to listen to my lossless files on my hifi.

Simon Turner
Barcombe UK

John Gorst
2005-05-11, 13:33
Simon @ Home wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm getting a bit desperate.
> My newly rented and listed cottage has only one phone point which is
> situated in the lounge, so this is where my netgear adsl wireless
> router/hub/firewall is. My main computers are a floor above this at the
> other end of the house. I can't run cable so all devices in the house
> connect to each other wirelessly.... which means I can't currently stream
> lossless files to my Squeezebox as I get lots of drop outs, so I just stream
> MP3's instead.... but the quality does not make me too happy.
>
> I have just run out of hard disk space on my two PCS. I already have hard
> drives stacked up in them, sitting on top of each other. I need more disk
> space. I was just about to buy two Maxtor 300gb USB 2 external hard drives
> for a grand total of about 320 UK pounds......
>
> but....
>
> I'm realising I may be in this rented house for longer than I originally
> thought... so I want to find out if there is any way I can sort things out
> so I can stream PCM to my Squeezebox.
>
> I'm beginning to think that maybe my best solution may be some sort of box
> that will hold lots of hard drives, make no noise at all... and that allows
> me to run Slimserver on it.... so I can stick it next to the adsl hub in the
> lounge. I would be using Windows computers to control it over the wireless
> network (as it would not have a monitor and I am not Linux conversant)
>
> Can anyone suggest a (not expensive) solution? Does it exist? I am getting
> quite fed up of not being able to listen to my lossless files on my hifi.

Is the squeezebox in the same room as the router? Could you not hardwire
the squeezebox to the router?

This would cut your wireless bandwidth requirements in half.

Or is it that the PC-->router link is too slow? You could try upgrading
the arials on either the PC or the router or both.

I have seen some weird designs on the internet of bits of carboard lined
with tin foil behind arials to make them directional and increase the
link quality.

HTH

Robin Bowes
2005-05-15, 14:34
Simon @ Home wrote:
> Hello.

Hi Simon, how's it going?

> Can anyone suggest a (not expensive) solution? Does it exist? I am getting
> quite fed up of not being able to listen to my lossless files on my hifi.

How about this:

http://variant.ch/phpwiki/WikiBlog/2005-02-27

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

robinbowes
2005-05-16, 08:59
Simon @ Home wrote:
> Hello.

Hi Simon, how's it going?

> Can anyone suggest a (not expensive) solution? Does it exist? I am getting
> quite fed up of not being able to listen to my lossless files on my hifi.

How about this:

http://variant.ch/phpwiki/WikiBlog/2005-02-27

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

...and some of these to connect your SB to the server:

http://www.multitask-computing.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_41&products_id=293

You could do something like this:

SB--Powerline_to_Ethernet--+
|
+------------------------+ Mains wiring
|
+--Powerline_to_Ethernet--Switch
|
Server

Actually, I might try a pair of these myself to stop my Mum complaining about the 25m CAT5e cable she keeps tripping up over in the hall! :)

R.

GregD
2005-05-16, 10:25
The combination of the 'flac on the fly' and the big buffer has solved all my streaming lossless problems.

- Greg

ModelCitizen
2005-05-16, 11:33
Thanks for the replies all.
Robin (I'm fine, if a little frustrated... how's life up North?), the box that bloke made is noisy, so no good for my lounge. Also I do not want to be the first person in the UK to use their mains wiring for this stuff... so, thanks for the suggestions but I think the solutions are probably not for me.

I'm was beginning to think that a hacked Buffalo Link Station thingy (or a Lacie RAS) might be the best option. However, I am not Linux conversant and the cut down version of Linux that comes with the box is solely command line driven (I think) so it's probably not really a goer (not if i want a life anyway).

I am going to buy a Squeezebox 2 and flog my old Squeezebox but I can't imagine that this will stream PCM much better then the Squeezebox 1 does (bearing in mind that all connections are currently independently wireless... i.e. file server, Slimserver and Squeezebox), but I guess I'll give it a go first.

I can't wire the Squeezebox into my router elegantly (the rented house I'm in looks lovely, lotsa oak beams etc and it would be a shame to ruin it's looks by looping cables across the lounge).... but I have realised I have a spare 300gb USB firewire drive... so I am considering putting all my music on that, pluging it into the laptop (which usually quite close to my router/hub) and wiring the laptop directly in to the hub. Makes the laptop a bit less mobile but could possibly suit my needs for now. Only problem with this is that the Maxtor firewire drive is pretty flakey. We shall see.

Anyway. Thanks for the help with this.

robinbowes
2005-05-16, 12:26
Thanks for the replies all.
Robin (I'm fine, if a little frustrated... how's life up North?),

Oh, not so bad. I've unfortunately got a 1 hour commute to/from Leeds either end of the day so that's not good. I've been stupidly busy at work too - steep learning curve, getting to grips with the working practices/foibles, etc. Not had much time to listen to music "properly" but listening a lot to iPod in car.


the box that bloke made is noisy, so no good for my lounge. Also I do not want to be the first person in the UK to use their mains wiring for this stuff... so, thanks for the suggestions but I think the solutions are probably not for me.

Why not buy a set and if it doesn't work/is not to your liking, return it within 7/14 days (whatever)? I can't believe they'd sell something that doesn't work and, if it doesn't, you're entitled to your money back anyway!


I'm was beginning to think that a hacked Buffalo Link Station thingy (or a Lacie RAS) might be the best option. However, I am not Linux conversant and the cut down version of Linux that comes with the box is solely command line driven (I think) so it's probably not really a goer (not if i want a life anyway).

Based on the little I know of you, I'd steer clear of Linux :)


I am going to buy a Squeezebox 2 and flog my old Squeezebox but I can't imagine that this will stream PCM much better then the Squeezebox 1 does (bearing in mind that all connections are currently independently wireless... i.e. file server, Slimserver and Squeezebox), but I guess I'll give it a go first.


Well, if you're using 11g you should get much better streaming, assuming a good connection.



I can't wire the Squeezebox into my router elegantly (the rented house I'm in looks lovely, lotsa oak beams etc and it would be a shame to ruin it's looks by looping cables across the lounge).... but I have realised I have a spare 300gb USB firewire drive... so I am considering putting all my music on that, pluging it into the laptop (which usually quite close to my router/hub) and wiring the laptop directly in to the hub. Makes the laptop a bit less mobile but could possibly suit my needs for now. Only problem with this is that the Maxtor firewire drive is pretty flakey. We shall see.

Anyway. Thanks for the help with this.
I still think you should give the SMC mains stuff a go. You could put your noisy server out of the way and create a mains connection between that and your ADSL modem/Switch/WAP, then just let the SB connect wirelessly to the WAP. That seems to me to be the perfect solution - you just need to bite the bullet on the mains networking equipment. Like I said, I might even give it a go myself...

R.

robinbowes
2005-05-16, 12:27
The combination of the 'flac on the fly' and the big buffer has solved all my streaming lossless problems.
- Greg

...and I'm sure 11g has something to do with it too.

R.

GregD
2005-05-16, 14:17
...and I'm sure 11g has something to do with it too.

R.

In my case not - my WAP is only 'b'. In fact the SB2 wireless does better than the SB1 did wired. I'm also in the UK - not that it makes any difference.