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Ed Atlee
2005-05-09, 14:03
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2nd item, 'iSeeiTunes'. Okay, now, I've got to think that a good number of
Squeezebox owners might also have a TiVo or two laying around. So,
naturally, the question is, who's going to do for SlimServer/Squeezebox what
this app does for iTunes? That would be the bomb, baby!

Ed

Roy Owen
2005-05-10, 06:31
SlimServer already does this (minus the cover art). Am I missing something
in your question?

On 5/9/05, Ed Atlee <x84HurstOlds (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> http://hme.pvrblog.com/taxonomy/term/1
>
> 2nd item, 'iSeeiTunes'. Okay, now, I've got to think that a good number of
> Squeezebox owners might also have a TiVo or two laying around. So,
> naturally, the question is, who's going to do for SlimServer/Squeezebox
> what
> this app does for iTunes? That would be the bomb, baby!
>
> Ed
>
>

Ben Sandee
2005-05-10, 07:49
On 5/10/05, Roy Owen <yddraig (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> SlimServer already does this (minus the cover art). Am I missing something
> in your question?
>

I think the feature is exposing SlimServer functionality through the
Tivo interface, which would be neat for those who have a Tivo.

Ben

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-05-10, 07:55
> >>> tbsandee (AT) gmail (DOT) com 05/10/05 10:49 AM >>>
> On 5/10/05, Roy Owen <yddraig (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > SlimServer already does this (minus the cover art). Am I missing
> > something in your question?
> >
>
> I think the feature is exposing SlimServer functionality through
> the Tivo interface, which would be neat for those who have a Tivo.
>
> Ben
>

Tivo = closed as it gets. If there's any activity for something
like this, it would make more sense to integrate with MythTV.
The MYthMusic module is ok, but if there were a native
slimserver module for music, that would be killer. As it is,
I have a web browser shortcut in Myth that automatically
points to the squeezebox in the room in question. I have
a matched pair of myth boxes and squeezeboxes in two
rooms, so it's not too hard to maintain.

Paul

Ed Atlee
2005-05-10, 12:57
"Roy Owen" <yddraig (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:147ac83705051006314ca21631 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
> SlimServer already does this (minus the cover art). Am I missing something
> in your question?

Cover art is one aspect that I would very much like to have, I also think it
would be very useful (at least for me) to be able to see a whole list of
folders at once, and to have one button scroll down a whole page, rather
than just one entry. Probably faster than entering search text in some
instances, and even more handy when you want to browse your collection. You
could see all albums by one artist on a screen, or all songs in an album,
etc.

Similarly, it would also make things like the lyrics plugin, RSS feeds,
Internet radio, Live Music Archive, etc. more useful and user-friendly, IMO
(there are already Tivo/HME apps that have this functionality, and it's
pretty slick on the TV screen). There's probably a host of other things
that people could do with a TV screen for an interface, as well. Heck, pull
up the allmusic.com page on an artist or album, have visualizations, slide
shows, browse the artist's catalog, etc.

So cover art is one aspect for me, but it's more about a truly graphical,
_paged_ display, as opposed to a 1-3 line display (1 line from the other
side of my living room).

Ed

Ed Atlee
2005-05-10, 13:06
"PAUL WILLIAMSON" <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>
wrote in message news:s2809323.073 (AT) comrcm01intgwia (DOT) mandtbank.com...
>
> Tivo = closed as it gets. If there's any activity for something
> like this, it would make more sense to integrate with MythTV.

I have no experience with MythTv - and certainly, the more platforms, the
better - but the HME stuff is not closed by any means - the whole point was
to provide an interface and an SDK for third-party development. A lot of
the actual code runs on the user's PC or NAS - which is kind of convenient
in this case, because it could be co-located with the music library and with
SlimServer.

Ed

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-05-10, 13:32
>>> x84HurstOlds (AT) hotmail (DOT) com 05/10/05 4:06 PM >>>
> "PAUL WILLIAMSON" <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>
> wrote in message news:s2809323.073 (AT) comrcm01intgwia (DOT) mandtbank.com...
> >
> > Tivo = closed as it gets. If there's any activity for something
> > like this, it would make more sense to integrate with MythTV.
> >
> I have no experience with MythTv - and certainly, the more platforms,

> the better - but the HME stuff is not closed by any means - the whole

> point was to provide an interface and an SDK for third-party
> development. A lot of the actual code runs on the user's PC or NAS -

> which is kind of convenient in this case, because it could be
co-located
> with the music library and with SlimServer.
>
> Ed

The fact that the supported platforms only include one version of one
distro and they released an SDK that can't really do any of the Tivo
functions (specifically with scheduling or playback), I find it
kind of amusing.

And Tivo is what I was referring to as closed. Even the hardware is
proprietary. On the other hand, we've got the CEO of Slim posting
about how to modify his creation to take advantage of some
bizarre i2c geekport request.

One more amusing thing is that I notice something conspicuously
absent from the list of prizes - a Tivo. I know you need one to
do the contest, but more is usally better.

Paul

machinehead
2005-05-10, 19:21
"PAUL WILLIAMSON" <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>
wrote in message news:s280e237.027 (AT) comrcm01intgwia (DOT) mandtbank.com...
>
> The fact that the supported platforms only include one version of one
> distro and they released an SDK that can't really do any of the Tivo
> functions (specifically with scheduling or playback), I find it
> kind of amusing.

True, but in their defense, this is the first release, and I beleive that
those things will improve. I think it would be better already if the
company had ever turned a profit; right now I think they're probably in a
position of having limited resources (money, manpower) and getting
profitable has to take priority. I also don't think they've named a new CEO
yet.

> And Tivo is what I was referring to as closed. Even the hardware is
> proprietary. On the other hand, we've got the CEO of Slim posting
> about how to modify his creation to take advantage of some
> bizarre i2c geekport request.

Well, yes and no. It is Linux, after all. The Series 2.5 boxes are more
locked down than the Series 1, but that doesn't stop some people. I got the
new box for $200 - $200, and honestly expected I might Ebay it because of
unhackability without a PROM mod - but the fact is, all the stuff I hacked
my Series 1 to get is available without hacking on the Series 2.5, and then
some. And they've always winked at capacity upgrades, and still do - I'm
sure they planned on it from the beginning, they just don't want to provide
warranty support to people who mess things up doing them. Then there was
the backdoors, 30-second skip, etc. I'd say they've been pretty good to
their customers with regards to "unofficial enhancements".

Beyond that, with them adding extraction as a built-in capability, they're
walking a fine line between customers and networks (advertisers) and had to
grovel to the FCC for approval as it was, so the kernel mods "lockdown" is
at least understandable. I'll take it since, as I said, I can do everything
I modded my Series 1 to do without changing anything, and if that changes,
well, then it's just soldering time. ;-)

> One more amusing thing is that I notice something conspicuously
> absent from the list of prizes - a Tivo. I know you need one to
> do the contest, but more is usally better.

Heh...hadn't looked at the list, that is kind of amusing. Don't know why,
it's not like they've never given the hardware away before.

Ed

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-05-11, 03:36
>>> x84HurstOlds (AT) hotmail (DOT) com 05/10/05 10:21 PM >>>
> True, but in their defense, this is the first release, and I
> beleive that those things will improve. I think it would be
> better already if the company had ever turned a profit;
> right now I think they're probably in a position of having
> limited resources (money, manpower) and getting profitable
> has to take priority. I also don't think they've named a new
> CEO yet.

They haven't turned a profit yet? I'm surprised. I heard recently
that they sued a couple of the big networks because there was
diaglog containing "tivoing" shows. They get free advertising,
but they view it as copyright infringement. Ironic.

> Well, yes and no. It is Linux, after all. The Series 2.5 boxes are

> more locked down than the Series 1, but that doesn't stop some
> people. I got the new box for $200 - $200, and honestly expected
> I might Ebay it because of unhackability without a PROM mod - but the

> fact is, all the stuff I hacked my Series 1 to get is available
without
> hacking on the Series 2.5, and then some. And they've always winked

> at capacity upgrades, and still do - I'm sure they planned on it from
the
> beginning, they just don't want to provide warranty support to people

> who mess things up doing them. Then there was the backdoors,
> 30-second skip, etc. I'd say they've been pretty good to their
> customers with regards to "unofficial enhancements".

<snip>

Agreed. Tivo is a somewhat logical progression of the VCR.

Paul

Ed Atlee
2005-05-11, 06:57
"PAUL WILLIAMSON" <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>
wrote in message news:s281a7dc.060 (AT) comrcm01intgwia (DOT) mandtbank.com...
> They haven't turned a profit yet? I'm surprised.

I'm not sure if it was the CEO, the competition, or the business model, but
the CEO's taken a lesser position. They need a standalone hi-def unit, for
one thing - needed it a while back, before the cable companies came out with
their own, and then fixed the rampant bugs that Tivo could've beat them over
the head with. Their advertising has never really gotten the point across,
either. The new deal with Comcast should help, even though they're not
getting a ton of money per unit per month, it should be a lot of units.

> I heard recently
> that they sued a couple of the big networks because there was
> diaglog containing "tivoing" shows. They get free advertising,
> but they view it as copyright infringement. Ironic.

I hadn't heard that, but I'd be very surprised it that's true - I think a
couple years back, they would put on-air mentions in their newsletters, so
that would be quite a change of pace for them.

Ed