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dSw
2005-05-03, 14:24
Is there a standard approach to tagging compilation albums (FLAC) or and individual MP3 mixes with the DJ who mixed the compilation or individual file?

I've seen the "MIXEDBY" tag mentioned on the web a couple of times but it doesn't seem to be in common usage. I'm thinking something along the lines of a "ALBUMMIXEDBY" tag.

e.g. "Perfecto Fluoro" mixed by Paul Oakenfold

That CD is a various artists compilation, but I would like to be able to tag it so I can search based upon the DJ responsible for the mix as well as the normal tags such artist, album title etc.

e.g. "find all mixes by Paul Oakenfold"

I'm guessing that SlimServer doesn't (yet!) support such a scheme?

thanks

Jim
2005-05-03, 14:38
How's about just the album title: "Perfecto Fluoro (Paul Oakenfold)".

You know to search for DJ mixes you look for his name in the title.

Of course this wouldn't show you tracks that he himself made.

dSw
2005-05-03, 14:43
Good suggestion, and my compilations do generally contain the phrase "...mixed by...", which would allow me to seach using the album title, however a metadata-based approach would be a lot nicer.

pfarrell
2005-05-03, 14:53
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 14:24 -0700, dSw wrote:
> Is there a standard approach to tagging compilation albums (FLAC) or and
> individual MP3 mixes with the DJ who mixed the compilation or individual
> file?

Depends on what you mean by "standard" :-)
FLAC files use OggVorbis tagging, which is very flexible.
See http://www.vorbis.com/
Details of the meta data are on
http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html#metadata_block

in short, you can add about any tag with any meaning you like

> I'm guessing that SlimServer doesn't (yet!) support such a scheme?

But the 6.* releases are about using a RDBMS for the back end,
so that doing this kind of stuff will be a lot easier


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dSw
2005-05-04, 13:51
By 'standard' all I meant was an 'accepted' way of doing things that has software support.

By the sounds of it there isn't an accepted way of doing it however I do think it is an important feature to have - for dance music collections anyway.

Is support for a "MIXEDBY"-style tag something that I could request in SlimServer (by registering a BUG) or am I barking up the wrong tree?

JJZolx
2005-05-04, 14:21
By 'standard' all I meant was an 'accepted' way of doing things that has software support.

By the sounds of it there isn't an accepted way of doing it however I do think it is an important feature to have - for dance music collections anyway.

Is support for a "MIXEDBY"-style tag something that I could request in SlimServer (by registering a BUG) or am I barking up the wrong tree?
We're just talking about compilation albums, right? A track by one artist, then one by another, and etc.? Maybe there's no standard because nobody considers this album "mixing" to have any real artistic merit? I mean who cares who put the tracks on the album? It's just not that difficult.

Also, it sounds very much like we're getting into the "don't ask/don't tell" area of music piracy, of which I doubt Slim Devices would want to do anything to even give the hint of encouraging. Where would you get such a "mixed by" album unless it's to download it? Well, you could mix it yourself from music you've legitimately purchased, but then there'd be no point in tagging who mixed it, would there?
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dSw
2005-05-04, 14:43
We're just talking about compilation albums, right? A track by one artist, then one by another, and etc.? Maybe there's no standard because nobody considers this album "mixing" to have any real artistic merit? I mean who cares who put the tracks on the album? It's just not that difficult.


Kindly leave your misinformed and small-minded opinions out of this discussion. If you have a few spare moments maybe you could broaden your mind a little by reading this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJing.

The point is a "MIXEDBY" tag would give the listener additional information about the compilation or file. Just like how a "COMPOSER" or "ALBUM" tag would.



Also, it sounds very much like we're getting into the "don't ask/don't tell" area of music piracy, of which I doubt Slim Devices would want to do anything to even give the hint of encouraging. Where would you get such a "mixed by" album unless it's to download it? Well, you could mix it yourself from music you've legitimately purchased, but then there'd be no point in tagging who mixed it, would there?


Are you on drugs?

What the hell does it have to do with music piracy?

It's really not that difficult to understand.

1. DJ creates a mix

2. I buy the CD or download the mix (it may shock you to know that there are several freely available mixes on the internet!)

3. I rip CD and tag with "MIXEDBY" information OR add a "MIXEDBY" tag to the downloaded mix

4. I search for all mixes by artist X on my Squeezebox 2


If you've got nothing constructive to say then don't bother posting.

JJZolx
2005-05-04, 14:55
If you've got nothing constructive to say then don't bother posting.
If you're not talking about compilation albums, then I apologize.

Why wouldn't you just use the artist tag to list who mixed the tracks?
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dSw
2005-05-04, 15:34
If you're not talking about compilation albums, then I apologize.

Why wouldn't you just use the artist tag to list who mixed the tracks?

There is obviously a fundamental misunderstanding here. I am talking about DJ-mixed compilations.

Each track has it's own artist/title, however the whole album is 'mixed' by a DJ. By 'mixing' I mean blending one track into another to create a continuous, er, mix.

An example is "Global Underground 25: Deep Dish in Toronto" - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009CBUK/ref=br_lf_m_h__2/202-9715985-2797411

It is not simply a compilation of individual tracks - it is a continuous mix by the Deep Dish DJs.

If you look closely at the top of the Amazon page you will see the words "Mixed By" after "Deep Dish".

radish
2005-05-04, 15:46
Please, read the link he gave. It's OK to be ignorant about something (I'm ignorant about a lot of things), but when people provide information it's polite to either read it, or take a back seat.

To answer your question in laymans terms, yes, these are compilation albums. So each track is (typically) by a different artist. However, the person who put the compilation together is extremely important, and it's his/her name on the front cover. DJs (like myself) create mix albums where the tracks flow seamlessly from one to the next, selecting tracks which blend together into something greater than merely the sum of their parts. Add to that additional production, remixing, scratching or any number of other artistic enhancements, and you have considerably more than a regular compilation. I like to think of the DJ as a conductor, with each individual record like an instrument in the orchestra.

Anyway, to get back on topic. I would also see a lot of value in a MIXEDBY tag (or something similar). It would certainly help sort out my mix rips a lot. The main problem I have is that some mixes are part of a series, where the series name is the most important thing, so I put it first:

Global Underground 28 - Nick Warren

But for others the DJ is more important (maybe it's a one off):

Armin Van Buuren - A State of Trance 2005

Being able to search by either DJ or title would be great!

On a related note - is there a standard for something like REMIXNAME? Having a lot of mix CDs I have a lot if different versions of the same track. Currently I just put TITLE (MIX) in the title tag, but being able to handle that as a seperate item of meta data would be nice also.

JJZolx
2005-05-04, 16:35
There is obviously a fundamental misunderstanding here. I am talking about DJ-mixed compilations.

Each track has it's own artist/title, however the whole album is 'mixed' by a DJ. By 'mixing' I mean blending one track into another to create a continuous, er, mix.

An example is "Global Underground 25: Deep Dish in Toronto" - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009CBUK/ref=br_lf_m_h__2/202-9715985-2797411

It is not simply a compilation of individual tracks - it is a continuous mix by the Deep Dish DJs.

If you look closely at the top of the Amazon page you will see the words "Mixed By" after "Deep Dish".

Now I'm following. I'm a little slow sometimes (well, OK, most of the time).

One thing that may address this, but probably only for FLAC files, is the upcoming support for multiple artist tags within tracks. Supposedly to be supported by the upcoming SlimServer 6.1.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14033

You could treat the DJ/mixer as an addditional artist, then when browsing by artist you can either browse to the DJ, then the album or else browse to the artist for the tracks themselves. Searches by artist would also search the DJs. Even the Live Search would work.

This problem is not unlike some of the tagging problems faced by those with classical music collections. The standard artist/album/track tagging conventions just don't work very well. The question eventually becomes one of how to support all of the different possible tagging conventions for different types of track collections.
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