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rpgoldman@real-time.com
2005-05-03, 13:05
Currently, my slim server runs on a very old machine (P500) with
limited memory, and Mandrake 9.1

Unfortunately, Mandrake 9.1 has been eol'ed, and I can't really
install a new Mandrake(Mandriva) because the installers are so
heavy-duty. Even in text mode, they tend to crash on install.

So.... I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for how to put a
new, small linux on this machine. I just need to be able to run the
slimserver and an NFS server (to make the MP3's available to xmms and
grip on other machines). I don't even need (or particularly want) X
windows.

I'm tempted to try one of the lightweight LiveCD distros, but they all
seem to be debian based, and seems like debian and slimserver aren't
totally happy together (and, further, I'm more familiar with the
Mandrake/RedHat style of initscripts).

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Robert

rpgoldman@real-time.com
2005-05-05, 13:03
>>>>> "Jack" == Jack Coates <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org> writes:

Jack> rpgoldman (AT) real-time (DOT) com wrote:
>> Currently, my slim server runs on a very old machine (P500) with
>> limited memory, and Mandrake 9.1
>>
>> Unfortunately, Mandrake 9.1 has been eol'ed, and I can't really
>> install a new Mandrake(Mandriva) because the installers are so
>> heavy-duty. Even in text mode, they tend to crash on install.

[...snip...]
>>
>> Any suggestions?

Jack> I'd just run Mandrake setup in text mode, then do a minimal
Jack> installation, selecting just the packages you really need.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond, but...

My experience with the text mode install hasn't been so good:

1. I've found that the text mode install can still crash (presumably
it grabs tons of memory, but I'm not sure of that);

2. AFAICT if you select the packages by hand it can somehow defeat
the dependency checking that rpm does. Specifically I have ended
up with an install that would crash on boot because of missing
dependencies when I started unchecking stuff for a minimal
install. It took a boot with repair disk to fix the problem.

Under the circs, I'd prefer a distro that was aimed at a coherent,
non-graphical approach, because it's more likely to be tested on
low-end, low-memory hardware, rather than something as bleeding-edge
as Mandrake.

A Debian off-shoot might be the right thing, esp. something like Damn
Small Linux. But it's hard to see how one tailors these LiveCD
distros to a particular application. They mention that you can do a
hard disk install, and presumably from there you could add packages
you need (for example to run slimserver), but it's not obvious how to
do this.... I think it's probably just SO obvious to the people who
built the distro that they don't realize it's problematic for the mere
mortal....

Actually, since slimserver can run on low-end hardware, and machines
are so cheap, I had thought this would be almost a FAQ...

R

rmbzz
2005-05-06, 06:17
I do not think you need to worry.

I am running fedora core 3 on a
PII 233MHz, so if P500 means Pentium
500, you ought to be fine.

I did install memory to get the
machine up to 384 MB, well above Fedora's
minimum for a graphical interface.

The graphical interface
was pretty sluggish, but it worked.
Once I got slimserver set up,
I rebooted without a monitor
and use ssh.

The machine is also sluggish
while scanning the library or
serving web pages for the web interface.
Music still plays, but the display on
the squeezebox no longer scrolls smoothly.

I wish I had a zippy P500!.

quebel
2005-05-06, 07:56
Hi,
I'm using an old Toshiba Magnia SG20 which can be found at eBay. The SG20 has a Celeron 566mhz, 128mb and 20G disk. Slimserver 5.0 runs out of the box on this old RedHat 7.3 system which doesn't have a graphical X11 window manager. I've installed WebAdmin to configure the box.

In order to run the new 6.x SW you have to install Perl 5.8 which I've done today with getting help from this forum.

Worth to mention is that I modified the box using a notebook powersupply, which makes it noiseless. The internal fan is only running on heavy CPU usage, when e.g. the MP3 lib got rescaned.