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Todd Fields
2005-04-14, 12:24
--- ron thigpen <ron (AT) fuzzsonic (DOT) com> wrote:

> dude:
> <http://slimdevices.com/dev_telcanto.html>

This thing looks great! I hadn't seen it before until I saw
this link in this thread. Very pricey though. I was guessing
it was going to run maybe $20 but $50-$60 seems a little high.
With all the stuff the developers on this list have written in
the way of plug-ins and apps I'm surprised there isn't something
free out there that is similar to this.

My question is this... Since my music server is used only for
my Squeezebox1 G and a SLIMP3 (at least for now,) is there any
advantage to purchasing the TelCanto Server and Pocket PC Client
($60) instead of just the TelCanto For SlimServer ($50)?

It just so happens that I'm about to get one of those Dell
Axim's and I recently purchased a wireless router (I just
haven't installed it yet.) I would love to get something like
this if I can convince myself it's worth the money.



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Michael Haan
2005-04-14, 12:32
As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, I had previously started work on a slimserver&nbsp;fat client for the pocket pc using the .NET Compact Framework (what Telcanto uses), but had stopped because the CLI was missing something I needed.&nbsp; I've been informed that there is no longer anything missing from the CLI, so I started-up development again last night.&nbsp; No clue when I'll have what, but when it's done it'll be free if you don't mind waiting.



&gt;From: Todd Fields &lt;jtfields91 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com&gt;







&gt;Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion &lt;discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com&gt;



&gt;To: Slim Devices Discussion &lt;discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com&gt;



&gt;Subject: Re: [slim] TelCanto (was "Sonos Doesn't Have to be a Threat")



&gt;Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT)



&gt;



&gt;



&gt;--- ron thigpen &lt;ron (AT) fuzzsonic (DOT) com&gt; wrote:



&gt;



&gt; &gt; dude:



&gt; &gt; &lt;http://slimdevices.com/dev_telcanto.html&gt;



&gt;



&gt;This thing looks great!&nbsp;&nbsp;I hadn't seen it before until I saw



&gt;this link in this thread.&nbsp;&nbsp;Very pricey though.&nbsp;&nbsp;I was guessing



&gt;it was going to run maybe $20 but $50-$60 seems a little high.



&gt;With all the stuff the developers on this list have written in



&gt;the way of plug-ins and apps I'm surprised there isn't something



&gt;free out there that is similar to this.



&gt;



&gt;My question is this...&nbsp;&nbsp;Since my music server is used only for



&gt;my Squeezebox1 G and a SLIMP3 (at least for now,) is there any



&gt;advantage to purchasing the TelCanto Server and Pocket PC Client



&gt;($60) instead of just the TelCanto For SlimServer ($50)?



&gt;



&gt;It just so happens that I'm about to get one of those Dell



&gt;Axim's and I recently purchased a wireless router (I just



&gt;haven't installed it yet.)&nbsp;&nbsp;I would love to get something like



&gt;this if I can convince myself it's worth the money.



&gt;



&gt;



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Jeff Coffler
2005-04-15, 07:57
Hi Michael,
As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, I had previously started work on a slimserver fat client for the pocket pc using the .NET Compact Framework (what Telcanto uses), but had stopped because the CLI was missing something I needed. I've been informed that there is no longer anything missing from the CLI, so I started-up development again last night. No clue when I'll have what, but when it's done it'll be free if you don't mind waiting.

Just FYI: I've uploaded some screenshots for my SlimServerMod project (AMX NetLinx automation system interface to the Squeezebox). If you click here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827&ssid=10665

You can see a sample "status" screenshot showing full status of the player, player name, repeat, shuffle, etc. Note that you also have album art as well as bargraphs showing progress through the playlist and current song.

A little clicking will show "browse" screens (the initial browse screen as well as the results after pressing "Artists" and scrolling down a few pages). Note that you have a scrollbar for long lists as well as up/down arrows.

On the SlimServer side, this was all done with today's CLI (in SlimServer v6.0). You should definitely give it another look if it wasn't rich enough for you before.

-- Jeff

FLMike
2005-04-15, 08:02
Jeff,
Those shots look pretty nice. Could you expand a bit on this mod and it's features?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Coffler
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [slim] TelCanto (was "Sonos Doesn't Have to be a Threat")


Hi Michael,
As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, I had previously started work on a slimserver fat client for the pocket pc using the .NET Compact Framework (what Telcanto uses), but had stopped because the CLI was missing something I needed. I've been informed that there is no longer anything missing from the CLI, so I started-up development again last night. No clue when I'll have what, but when it's done it'll be free if you don't mind waiting.

Just FYI: I've uploaded some screenshots for my SlimServerMod project (AMX NetLinx automation system interface to the Squeezebox). If you click here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827&ssid=10665

You can see a sample "status" screenshot showing full status of the player, player name, repeat, shuffle, etc. Note that you also have album art as well as bargraphs showing progress through the playlist and current song.

A little clicking will show "browse" screens (the initial browse screen as well as the results after pressing "Artists" and scrolling down a few pages). Note that you have a scrollbar for long lists as well as up/down arrows.

On the SlimServer side, this was all done with today's CLI (in SlimServer v6.0). You should definitely give it another look if it wasn't rich enough for you before.

-- Jeff


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Todd Fields
2005-04-15, 09:27
--- Michael Haan <michael_haan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

---------------------------------

As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, I had
previously started work on a slimserver fat client for the
pocket pc using the .NET Compact Framework (what Telcanto uses),
but had stopped because the CLI was missing something I needed.
I've been informed that there is no longer anything missing from
the CLI, so I started-up development again last night. No clue
when I'll have what, but when it's done it'll be free if you
don't mind waiting.

Cool. As I said, I don't even have my Axim yet so I have time.



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Todd Fields
2005-04-15, 09:29
--- Jeff Coffler <jeff-list-slimdiscuss (AT) taltos (DOT) com> wrote:

>
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827&ssid=10665

It looks very nice. So you even control your sprinklers by
remote control? Man, if you can get that thing to go get a beer
for you then you would never need to get up out of the chair. :)



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Patrick Dixon
2005-04-15, 09:44
How else would you control sprinklers?

If you had a switch on the sprinkler head you'd get wet wouldn't you :-)

(Screen shots look good.)

fuzzyT
2005-04-15, 10:57
Jeff Coffler wrote:

> Just FYI: I've uploaded some screenshots for my SlimServerMod project
> (AMX NetLinx automation system interface to the Squeezebox). If you
> click here:
> <http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827&ssid=10665>

looks nice.

for those of us unfamiliar with this platform/device, could you gives us
a bit more information about how this works? for example: is there a
receiver/server component? what hardware is required? how does it
network, etc...

i found them on the web, but there was only information on individual
components and not a lot about how they worked together or how you might
deploy a system.

thanks,

--rt

Todd Fields
2005-04-15, 12:56
--- Patrick Dixon
<Patrick.Dixon.1njgwz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> How else would you control sprinklers?

I have to actually *cringe* go outside and turn a knob to
control my sprinklers. I guess I'm just living in the dark
ages. Also, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but just the other
day I actually got up and went over and changed the channel on
my TV by using the buttons on the TV. I always wondered what
those were for.



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Jeff Coffler
2005-04-15, 14:51
From: "ron thigpen" <ron (AT) xxxxx (DOT) com>:

>> Just FYI: I've uploaded some screenshots for my SlimServerMod project
>> (AMX NetLinx automation system interface to the Squeezebox). If you
>> click here:
>> <http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=62827&ssid=10665>
>
> looks nice.
>
> for those of us unfamiliar with this platform/device, could you gives us a
> bit more information about how this works? for example: is there a
> receiver/server component? what hardware is required? how does it
> network, etc...
>
> i found them on the web, but there was only information on individual
> components and not a lot about how they worked together or how you might
> deploy a system.

Okay, the point of my message (and the screenshot) was to demonstrate that
the SlimServer CLI is really MUCH better than in the V5.4 days, and is
really quite useable now. I worked with Fred Thomas (whom you can thank for
all the CLI enhancements) on this, and the result is what you see in those
screenshots.

This is totally off topic, but you folks asked, so ...

An AMX NetLinx system is an automation system. It automates anything you've
got. For me, it controls every TV in the house. It controls lighting,
HVAC, a hot water circ pump, and other various doodads. It also does all
Audio/Video control in my home (Family Room, Theatre Room). It's a
"professional" automation system, designed for installation by a
professional.

For more details, you can go to http://www.amx.com.

To control a Squeezebox, you minimally need a controller (ME-260, or an
ME-260/64, or an NI series, or whatever) and a touchpanel. That's it. The
screenshots that were displayed were on a Modero MVP-8400, which you can
find described on the AMX web site:
http://www.amx.com/new-products-public.asp (search for "Modero ViewPoints").

The value of an automation system: total, "one button" control. If I'm in
the family room and touch "DVD", everything happens to watch DVD (turn
monitor on if it's off, turn on preamp if needed, tune to DVD if needed,
turn on amp, etc etc).

If I'm in the theatre room, I do the same thing (press DVD). But there, it
also controls a projector rather than a monitor, and it controls a video
processor, and it closes the drapes and dims the lights, etc. All that
happens automatically (no additional buttons or controls). Some things are
controlled via relays, some things are controlled via RS-232, some things
are controlled via I/R, and some things (like the SlimServer) is controlled
via TCP/IP. Doesn't matter: On my touchpanel, it's all seamless.

The reason sprinklers are controlled: It varies when you need to turn them
on. And, if it rains a bunch unexpectedly (Seattle is known for rainy
weather), you'd want to turn them off for a while until things got dry
again. Don't waste water and all that. The sprinkler control is outside.
Yes, I could go outside to adjust it (frequently in the rain), but it's a
whole lot easier from a touchpanel, anywhere from inside the house.

Surprisingly enough, my wife was the one that made me get the automation
system. I do all the programming for it (indeed, I was the one that wrote
the SlimServer module). But when we decided to set aside a room for a
"media/theatre room", she put her foot down, so to speak. If it wasn't very
easy to operate, she didn't want to do it. The only way to guarentee that:
An automation system. So she said, "buy it, or lets scrap the entire idea
of a media room".

AMX (and Crestron) automation systems are expensive. Like thousands of
dollars, depending on exactly what you get. This will likely price it right
out of range for nearly everyone reading this. Also, unless you have
programming skills and some electrical knowledge (not much of the later, but
plenty of the former), you won't be able to set it up or make changes on
your own - you'll need to pay someone. That will cost even more money.

But that said, if you have one, it's quite nice. It controls nearly
everything in my home, with very simple one-button control, mostly. My
housekeeper's 6yr old son was using my system with no instruction after just
looking at the panel a bit.

Hopefully this answers everyone's questions,

-- Jeff

arnonm
2005-04-16, 14:53
Michael Haan wrote:
> As I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, I had previously
> started work on a slimserver fat client for the pocket pc using the .NET
> Compact Framework (what Telcanto uses), but had stopped because the CLI
> was missing something I needed. I've been informed that there is no
> longer anything missing from the CLI, so I started-up development again
> last night. No clue when I'll have what, but when it's done it'll be
> free if you don't mind waiting.
>
> >From: Todd Fields <jtfields91 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>
> >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion
> <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >To: Slim Devices Discussion
> <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >Subject: Re: [slim] TelCanto (was "Sonos Doesn't Have to be a Threat")
> >Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >--- ron thigpen <ron (AT) fuzzsonic (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > dude:
> > > <http://slimdevices.com/dev_telcanto.html>
> >
> >This thing looks great! I hadn't seen it before until I saw
> >this link in this thread. Very pricey though. I was guessing
> >it was going to run maybe $20 but $50-$60 seems a little high.
> >With all the stuff the developers on this list have written in
> >the way of plug-ins and apps I'm surprised there isn't something
> >free out there that is similar to this.
> >
> >My question is this... Since my music server is used only for
> >my Squeezebox1 G and a SLIMP3 (at least for now,) is there any
> >advantage to purchasing the TelCanto Server and Pocket PC Client
> >($60) instead of just the TelCanto For SlimServer ($50)?
> >
> >It just so happens that I'm about to get one of those Dell
> >Axim's and I recently purchased a wireless router (I just
> >haven't installed it yet.) I would love to get something like
> >this if I can convince myself it's worth the money.
> >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Do you Yahoo!?
> >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
> >