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Christian Pernegger
2005-04-11, 08:34
I've been thinking ... now I have a digital music player for my stereo
that I'm really happy with - but I'm loathe to leave the house because
then I have to make do with my iAudio U2. I mean, I like it, but I'd
rather have something designed (in the technical sense) with as much
love and attention to detail as my sb1 and sb2.
That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
portable market?

C.

--
SlimPony - take your Squeezebox for a ride :)

kdf
2005-04-11, 13:32
Quoting Christian Pernegger <pernegger (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:


> That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
> portable market?

any chance, yes. specific odds, anybody's guess. Slim Devices does not comment
on future hardware.

-kdf

Christian Pernegger
2005-04-11, 13:45
> > That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
> > portable market?
>
> any chance, yes. specific odds, anybody's guess. Slim Devices does not comment
> on future hardware.

I know. Doesn't hurt to nudge them in the right direction tho, does it? ^^
Aside from that I was interested in the responses a thread like that
might generate, including "Yes, please, and make sure to include xy
feature" and "That's lame, I carry my custom modded solar powered sb1
in my backpack anyway"

C.

Bill Cutts
2005-04-11, 13:48
> I know. Doesn't hurt to nudge them in the right direction tho, does it? ^^
> Aside from that I was interested in the responses a thread like that
> might generate, including "Yes, please, and make sure to include xy
> feature" and "That's lame, I carry my custom modded solar powered sb1
> in my backpack anyway"

I'll bite. Yes please, and make sure to include FLAC support and a digital out.

radish
2005-04-11, 15:14
I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:

* 20gb
* ~16 hour battery life
* Supports flac, vorbis, mp3, wma
* Fully parametric 5 band EQ
* Fantastic sound quality
* Docking station has line out RCAs & ethernet connection
* Supports loading music from any Java & Ethernet supporting platform (e.g. Linux, MacOS, etc)
* Has a built in webserver (although no one's done much with it yet)
* Nice UI, lots of search methods, MANY options for the tweakers
* Supports FULLY GAPLESS playback for flac, vorbis and lame mp3s
* VU meters ala SB2 :)
* Hardware & firmware designers/developers regularly hang out on user forums, just like this one

It's approaching EOL (sadly) but that means there are some excellent deals around. I've had one for over a year, but I'm thinking of picking up a second one as a spare. About the only things it's missing are a remote control and digital out.

(Disclaimer: I don't work for them or anything, just a very happy customer and anti-iSheep!)

kdf
2005-04-11, 16:08
Quoting radish <radish.1nchiz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the
> handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio
> Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:

> It's approaching EOL (sadly) but that means there are some excellent
> deals around. I've had one for over a year, but I'm thinking of picking
> up a second one as a spare. About the only things it's missing are a
> remote control and digital out.

I'd certainly second that. It does need a way to kill the power, however, for
those times when you make a sudden movement and send the hard drive into
lockup. So far, I can only hope it eventually gets unlocked, or wait for the
battery to run down.

Its also sad to see that all of Rio's more recent additions seem to neglect FLAC
support.

-kdf

Orb
2005-04-11, 16:25
I am interested in a portable device but have not ventured with any current products. Ipods are sexy but expensive a way too little battery life (8 or so hours).

For me, I'd be looking for huge battery life - at least 20 hours preferably a lot more & a large capacity. I guess any such potential portable products from SD would be at least a year away so perhaps a minimum of 60gb would be a starting point.

I second a docking station with all the ins and outs.
And also built in mic for portable recording and option to connect stereo mic and record in wav which would open it up to musicians and engineers.

JJZolx
2005-04-11, 16:43
Why would Slim Devices even be interested in entering this crowded market? Portable devices have little in common with the Squeezebox, so there's very little technology for them leverage against the dozens of companies already flooding the field.
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mkozlows
2005-04-11, 16:52
Why would Slim Devices even be interested in entering this crowded market? Portable devices have little in common with the Squeezebox, so there's very little technology for them leverage against the dozens of companies already flooding the field.

Plus, the real competitive advantage of the Squeezebox is the great cross-platform software, and makers of DAPs in 2005 (Apple obviously excepted) don't really do software; they just support some combination of USB mass storage and Microsoft's Media Transfer Protocol.

Matt Alioto
2005-04-11, 17:21
A pony might be easier but..how about a portable player with limited
local storage (big buffer/cache) and a 3G or better celular connection
to stream from slimserver. Service charges might kill you that would
truly be a portable squeezebox. The worlds first celular streaming MP3
player, or a pony.
Can you hear me now?

-Dreamer


Subject: [slim] Re: Any chance of SlimDevices making a portable player?


Why would Slim Devices even be interested in entering this crowded
market? Portable devices have little in common with the Squeezebox, so
there's very little technology for them leverage against the dozens of
companies already flooding the field.


--

JJZolx

JJ

radish
2005-04-11, 17:24
I'd certainly second that. It does need a way to kill the power, however, for
those times when you make a sudden movement and send the hard drive into
lockup. So far, I can only hope it eventually gets unlocked, or wait for the
battery to run down.


Tried a reset? That has always fixed any lockup I've had (maybe 2 or 3 in it's lifetime). Note - those are software lockups, nothing to do with the disk. If the disk is b0rked, the standard advice it to smack it to unstick the head. Never happened to me though, so I can't comment. Always try the reset first :)



Its also sad to see that all of Rio's more recent additions seem to neglect FLAC
support.

-kdf

To be fair all of their more recent players have been in the iPod mini category - i.e. ~5gb disks. IMHO flac makes no sense in such a player. AFAIK those smaller players tend to use hardware decoders (rather than embedded processors), to save costs, space and battery life. I would be surprised if any of those support flac yet.

We can only wait for the Karma's replacement, and assume it will support at least the same formats as the current model.

Jack Coates
2005-04-11, 22:17
kdf wrote:
> Quoting radish <radish.1nchiz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
>
>
>>I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the
>>handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio
>>Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:
>
>
>>It's approaching EOL (sadly) but that means there are some excellent
>>deals around. I've had one for over a year, but I'm thinking of picking
>>up a second one as a spare. About the only things it's missing are a
>>remote control and digital out.
>
>
> I'd certainly second that. It does need a way to kill the power, however, for
> those times when you make a sudden movement and send the hard drive into
> lockup. So far, I can only hope it eventually gets unlocked, or wait for the
> battery to run down.
>

wow, I've never seen a lockup on my wife's mini-ipod or my iriver. We're
not especially careful... in fact, hers is on pause and plugged in most
of the time, rather than ever being properly shut down.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

radish
2005-04-12, 07:28
wow, I've never seen a lockup on my wife's mini-ipod or my iriver. We're
not especially careful... in fact, hers is on pause and plugged in most
of the time, rather than ever being properly shut down.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

The Rio's were cursed with a somewhat unreliable HDD unit from Hitachi, which has caused some failures. Rio are pretty good at replacing them even out of warranty though. The software lockups are just that - firmware crashes. My Karma has crashed (as I said) maybe 3 or 4 times in well over a year of use (and in all cases a quick reset fixed it). My girlfriends iPod mini has locked up at least 10 times since Christmas. Apple say there's nothing wrong with it and we should "expect all electronic devices to lock up some times". Hmmm.

Nothing's perfect it seems...

jmpage2
2005-04-12, 09:59
I'm still waiting for the guy to chime in who built his "portable" Squeezebox solution.

A Squeezebox running on dry cell batteries with a wireless ethernet connection to a laptop running Slimserver. All stuffed into a backpack so that he could get 2-3 hours of "optimal listening" enjoyment from his SB (and hope that a sudden downpour didn't cause the whole thing to meltdown and electrocute him.