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Mike Hartley
2005-03-17, 21:19
Now that SB2 has 802.11G and a deeper buffer, I am going to make an assumption that the wireless drop-out and range issues that existed are going to disappear or at least be substantially reduced. So, I'm looking to design a wireless, portable config for my SB2 and would like some input from the list.

By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest, cheapest, and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take camping, to a party, etc. to make my music library available to the SB2 wireless and in a lossless format. Assume that the server has no other function but to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units

Each SB2 can be connected to something for output as simple as a boom-box or to a high end DJ/Home theater setup via optical or S/PDIF. The processor and memory configuration should take into account the possibility of 1-5 clients. Think about multiple SB2's covering individual tents/cabins, pool, dinner table etc or a party with multiple rooms indoors and an outdoor component. Internet access is possible in SOME situations, but not all.

Although my collection is currently in WMA lossless with no drm (no lectures please, it made sense at the time :-) ) I'd be willing to re-rip everything if it was not too horrible from a process perspective. I'm willing to make this my first foray into linux if that's the best option for time and cost, but I'm not interested in spending untold hours hunting down obscure modules and drivers to make this work. It needs to be simple, easy, clean and stable.

Form factor for the server is an issue. The smaller the better. So case suggestions are appreciated, along with OS/Processor/Memory/Route & access point configs.

Input is greatly appreciated!

Mike

Michael Peters
2005-03-17, 21:20
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:19:09 -0500, Mike Hartley <mhartley (AT) comsolusa (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> Although my collection is currently in WMA lossless with no drm (no lectures please, it made sense at the time :-) ) I'd be willing to re-rip everything if it was not too horrible from a process perspective.

If there is no drm, you should be able to transcode the wma lossless
to flac without any quality loss.

I've never done it - but I bet at hydrogenaudio, you can find
something to do it.

--
http://mpeters.us/

Ben Sandee
2005-03-17, 21:54
> By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest, cheapest, and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take camping, to a party, etc. to make my music library available to the SB2 wireless and in a lossless format. Assume that the server has no other function but to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units

Please don't ever camp next to me. :-)

JJ
2005-03-17, 22:26
You might get away with operating without an access point by using ad-hoc
mode. I'm not certain how many Squeezeboxes you could operate like this,
though.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1451421

How about a laptop with a wireless card? Cost-wise it wouldn't be the
cheapest solution, but there's no reason you couldn't use the laptop on a
daily basis. I'd think this would be the most compact solution.

For any other computer you'll probably want a monitor, keyboard, and
pointing device. You could run the server headless, but if you run into
problems, say while camping, then you'll want to be able to get on the
computer and try to fix it.

If it doesn't need to be quite as portable as a laptop, then a system in a
compact case such as those from Shuttle might be what you're after.

http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/brb_default.asp

If not that form factor, then what you're looking for is essentially a
system similar to the type gamers would carry to a lan party. Search some
gaming web sites to get an idea. An aluminum case is a start, as they're
lighter than the more common steel cases. Add shoulder strap or carrying
case.

I don't have enough experience with SlimServer to spec the hardware, but
if you run Linux you'll undoubtedly need less CPU and memory to accomplish
the same thing as a Windows system, so if nothing else, you save a few
bucks. I would think having your music in mp3 format would also be
advisable, as it would cut down on server processing, wireless bandwidth,
and disk size requirements.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hartley" <mhartley (AT) comsolusa (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>; "Slim
Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: [slim] Portable SB2 Setup


> Now that SB2 has 802.11G and a deeper buffer, I am going to make an
> assumption that the wireless drop-out and range issues that existed are
> going to disappear or at least be substantially reduced. So, I'm
> looking to design a wireless, portable config for my SB2 and would like
> some input from the list.
>
> By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest, cheapest,
> and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take camping, to a
> party, etc. to make my music library available to the SB2 wireless and
> in a lossless format. Assume that the server has no other function but
> to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units
>
> Each SB2 can be connected to something for output as simple as a
> boom-box or to a high end DJ/Home theater setup via optical or S/PDIF.
> The processor and memory configuration should take into account the
> possibility of 1-5 clients. Think about multiple SB2's covering
> individual tents/cabins, pool, dinner table etc or a party with multiple
> rooms indoors and an outdoor component. Internet access is possible in
> SOME situations, but not all.
>
> Although my collection is currently in WMA lossless with no drm (no
> lectures please, it made sense at the time :-) ) I'd be willing to
> re-rip everything if it was not too horrible from a process perspective.
> I'm willing to make this my first foray into linux if that's the best
> option for time and cost, but I'm not interested in spending untold
> hours hunting down obscure modules and drivers to make this work. It
> needs to be simple, easy, clean and stable.
>
> Form factor for the server is an issue. The smaller the better. So
> case suggestions are appreciated, along with OS/Processor/Memory/Route &
> access point configs.
>
> Input is greatly appreciated!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>


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>

Michael Peters
2005-03-17, 22:34
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:26:52 -0700, JJ <jj (AT) zolx (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> For any other computer you'll probably want a monitor, keyboard, and
> pointing device. You could run the server headless, but if you run into
> problems, say while camping, then you'll want to be able to get on the
> computer and try to fix it.

If you have something like a shuttle with a serial port - you could
put a wifi card in the shuttle and use a palm pilot with a serial
adaptor and a console emulator to get in that way - but that seems a
little *too* geeky.

Laptop has the advantage of not needing a power source if the
batteries are charged.
Used laptop on eBay wouldn't cost too much.

--
http://mpeters.us/

Jason Snell
2005-03-17, 23:31
Mike Hartley wrote:

>By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest,
>cheapest, and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take
>camping, to a party, etc. to make my music library available to the
>SB2 wireless and in a lossless format. Assume that the server has
>no other function but to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units

Not to question your premise, because it's actually kind of
fascinating, but why NOT something like an iPod? I guess if you were
wanting to have multiple units in cabins that would make sense, but
otherwise.. the iPod is going to be really lean and compact. Even if
you transcoded your library to high-bitrate MP3 for use on the iPod,
I can't see how you'd really notice much quality loss unless you were
also trucking heavy-duty speakers out into the camp site, which seems
unlikely to me. I guess I'm just not seeing your scenario here, but
wouldn't "roughing it" with an iPod just be easier all around?

I mean, in no way would it be _cooler_, but easier. :-)

--
Jason Snell / Editorial Director, Mac Publishing / jsnell (AT) macworld (DOT) com
415-243-3565 / AIM: MW jsnell / www.macworld.com / www.playlistmag.com

Mike Hartley
2005-03-18, 07:11
Geeky? Who ME? LOL I actually like this idea. One of the shuttle boxes
was at the top of my possibility list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Peters" <funkyres (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: [slim] Portable SB2 Setup


> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:26:52 -0700, JJ <jj (AT) zolx (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> >
> > For any other computer you'll probably want a monitor, keyboard, and
> > pointing device. You could run the server headless, but if you run into
> > problems, say while camping, then you'll want to be able to get on the
> > computer and try to fix it.
>
> If you have something like a shuttle with a serial port - you could
> put a wifi card in the shuttle and use a palm pilot with a serial
> adaptor and a console emulator to get in that way - but that seems a
> little *too* geeky.
>
> Laptop has the advantage of not needing a power source if the
> batteries are charged.
> Used laptop on eBay wouldn't cost too much.
>
> --
> http://mpeters.us/
>

Mike Hartley
2005-03-18, 07:16
Yes, I suppose it would be easier in some respects, especially for camping.
But in theory I'm also thinking about this in other environments (Rented
vacation home, party, etc.). Not so much for my use, but just from a design
perspective.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Snell" <jsnell (AT) macworld (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: [slim] Portable SB2 Setup


> Mike Hartley wrote:
>
> >By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest,
> >cheapest, and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take
> >camping, to a party, etc. to make my music library available to the
> >SB2 wireless and in a lossless format. Assume that the server has
> >no other function but to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units
>
> Not to question your premise, because it's actually kind of
> fascinating, but why NOT something like an iPod? I guess if you were
> wanting to have multiple units in cabins that would make sense, but
> otherwise.. the iPod is going to be really lean and compact. Even if
> you transcoded your library to high-bitrate MP3 for use on the iPod,
> I can't see how you'd really notice much quality loss unless you were
> also trucking heavy-duty speakers out into the camp site, which seems
> unlikely to me. I guess I'm just not seeing your scenario here, but
> wouldn't "roughing it" with an iPod just be easier all around?
>
> I mean, in no way would it be _cooler_, but easier. :-)
>
> --
> Jason Snell / Editorial Director, Mac Publishing / jsnell (AT) macworld (DOT) com
> 415-243-3565 / AIM: MW jsnell / www.macworld.com / www.playlistmag.com
>

Jack Coates
2005-03-18, 10:15
Ben Sandee wrote:
>>By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest, cheapest, and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take camping, to a party, etc. to make my music library available to the SB2 wireless and in a lossless format. Assume that the server has no other function but to serve music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units
>
>
> Please don't ever camp next to me. :-)

And how.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Mike Hartley
2005-03-18, 11:07
Don't worry guys. I'm not talking wilderness camping here. I like peace
and quiet as much as the next guy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Coates" <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: [slim] Portable SB2 Setup


> Ben Sandee wrote:
> >>By portable, I don't mean like an IPOD. I mean the leanest, cheapest,
and most compact HW/SW/wirelesss server combo to take camping, to a party,
etc. to make my music library available to the SB2 wireless and in a
lossless format. Assume that the server has no other function but to serve
music to an SB2 network of 1-5 units
> >
> >
> > Please don't ever camp next to me. :-)
>
> And how.
>
> --
> Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
> Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!
>