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Chris Glushko
2005-03-10, 10:34
Maybe this has been discussed before, but why not just
openly support Rhapsody?? Wouldn't this benefit both
Slim and Rhapsody?

--- Vidur Apparao <vidur (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> I would very much like to hand over ownership of
> RealSlim to an
> interested developer. My suspicion is that getting
> it to work more
> reliably and with v6 is not a huge undertaking.
>
> Kevin, you're right - it is in need of TLC. I would
> love to fix it (if
> for no other reason, so I can resume using it
> myself!), but my
> employment with Slim Devices makes it hard to do so.
>
> Anyone interested in taking it over?
>
> --Vidur
>
> Kevin Hawkins wrote:
>
> > Hi... any news on this as V6 and SB2 surface ? -
> Many hands make
> > light work..
> >
> > K
> >
> > Sean Adams wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Vidur, this sounds like another hand job is
> within reach...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Kevin Hawkins wrote:
> >>
> >>> For me one of the greatest plugins written for
> the SlimServer is the
> >>> Rhapsody plugin by Vidur - now employed by
> SlimDevices themselves.
> >>> However it is in need of a little TLC at the
> moment to fix a few
> >>> gremlins and also to make it work with the V6
> server. This last
> >>> aspect is my real worry as the V6 server will
> fix so many other
> >>> issues for me but I don't want to lose Rhapsody
> - even with its
> >>> various tantrums. Currently I swap servers on
> my players - back to
> >>> a V5.4 with no library just to listen to
> Rhapsody. Vidur has
> >>> mentioned he has time problems in attending to
> this....
> >>>
> >>> So I just wanted to put in a plea to
> SlimDevices, or indeed anyone
> >>> that this is one of the really great
> applications , and one that
> >>> enticed me into buying a couple more players. If
> there is a way to
> >>> ensure a future for this plugin I am sure it
> will support many more
> >>> sales for players, and keep many existing users
> happy.
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

Aaron Zinck
2005-03-10, 11:40
"Chris Glushko" <chopcg (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:20050310173435.97437.qmail (AT) web21004 (DOT) mail.yahoo.com...
> Maybe this has been discussed before, but why not just
> openly support Rhapsody?? Wouldn't this benefit both
> Slim and Rhapsody?

I'd love to see Rhapsody support added to slimserver v6 be this by way of
Realslim or "official" cooperation with Rhapsody.

There may, however, be a drawback to "officially" supporting Rhapsody. I've
had the opportunity to use at least 2 devices which "officially" support
Rhapsody (the prismiq and the omnifi) and I actually found at least one
aspect of their support to be inferior to what Realslim provides: on the
prismiq you are limited to browsing your library (you can't search the
entire Rhapsody library, nor can you add albums/tracks to your library from
the device). Through reading some of the prismiq documentation I've come to
believe this is actually a limitation of the "official" rhapsody protocol.
I'm not sure how realslim currently provides this functionality but I sure
do find it handy.

jabesnyder
2005-04-08, 16:23
The only reason I bought squeezebox was for Rhapsody. The "(almost) any song, any time, no need to buy or rip or find MP3s" aspect is incredibly appealing. Everyone who has seen the squeezebox at my home is most impressed with this feature, over any other. It's just a bit buggy, and I can't update SlimServer. Slim Devices, PLEASE formally support Rhapsody / RealSlim ASAP. Timing is everything - you lose your Rhapsody customers now, you might have a tough time getting them back!

I'll personally sell boxes for you for free, and I'm sure others will too if you can just get RealSlim working again. Anyone in the same boat as me please let these guys know - I'm sure the business case is there.

Charles Stanton
2005-04-08, 16:53
i throw in my 2 cents.. i also think it is a great plugin, but found
it high maintenance and stopped using it. if it worked reliably i
agree wholeheartedly with njabesyder...(there could be sales push
directly to the rhapsody crowd)...

On Apr 8, 2005 7:23 PM, jabesnyder
<jabesnyder.1n70rn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> The only reason I bought squeezebox was for Rhapsody. The "(almost) any
> song, any time, no need to buy or rip or find MP3s" aspect is incredibly
> appealing. Everyone who has seen the squeezebox at my home is most
> impressed with this feature, over any other. It's just a bit buggy,
> and I can't update SlimServer. Slim Devices, PLEASE formally support
> Rhapsody / RealSlim ASAP. Timing is everything - you lose your
> Rhapsody customers now, you might have a tough time getting them back!
>
> I'll personally sell boxes for you for free, and I'm sure others will
> too if you can just get RealSlim working again. Anyone in the same
> boat as me please let these guys know - I'm sure the business case is
> there.
>
> --
> njabesyder
>

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-11, 08:35
I'll whole-heartedly weigh-in with support for this suggestion. This is
also a major obstacle to me considering a squeezebox2 as it simply won't
work with Rhapsody. And while the squeezebox is impressive for a number of
reasons (slimserver is especially flexible) I agree with the original poster
that rhapsody/realslim is consistently the most impressive thing about the
squeezebox to most people I've shown it to.

Charles-- I'm wondering what you find high-maintenance about it. Is it the
issues of launching rhapsody and keeping it running? In conjunction with
Girder and KDF's execute-script plugin I've got an almost bullet-proof
hands-off solution that allows me to launch rhapsody from my squeezebox and
will keep rhapsody from timing out indefinitely. If you'd like some
pointers on how to set up something like this I'd be glad to give you a
hand. The main problems I have arise when rhapsody itself has it's
occasional glitch.

I'd also like to be able to see more information about currently playing
songs--when music is queued from the rhapsody catalog you get sufficient
info (title, artist, album), but when you queue it from "my library" you
lose the artist info, and things get even worse when you queue it from a
rhapsody playlist as you then only have access to the name of the song.

shaboyi
2005-04-11, 19:16
Aaron,

Thanks. It has been awhile since I used it, but I believe the two
things that required 'work' were dropouts (the SliMP3 would loose its
connection to rapshody) and the second was just with Rhapsody itself
(my browser would bug out and there tech support was no help at all).
I am sure it improved and would very much appreciate any tips. I have
moved to 6.0 but have bunch of computers and a spare SB so could give
it another try.

I do hope that it is eventually supported under 6.0!

On Apr 11, 2005 11:35 AM, Aaron Zinck <azinck3 (AT) ufl (DOT) edu> wrote:
> I'll whole-heartedly weigh-in with support for this suggestion. This is
> also a major obstacle to me considering a squeezebox2 as it simply won't
> work with Rhapsody. And while the squeezebox is impressive for a number of
> reasons (slimserver is especially flexible) I agree with the original poster
> that rhapsody/realslim is consistently the most impressive thing about the
> squeezebox to most people I've shown it to.
>
> Charles-- I'm wondering what you find high-maintenance about it. Is it the
> issues of launching rhapsody and keeping it running? In conjunction with
> Girder and KDF's execute-script plugin I've got an almost bullet-proof
> hands-off solution that allows me to launch rhapsody from my squeezebox and
> will keep rhapsody from timing out indefinitely. If you'd like some
> pointers on how to set up something like this I'd be glad to give you a
> hand. The main problems I have arise when rhapsody itself has it's
> occasional glitch.
>
> I'd also like to be able to see more information about currently playing
> songs--when music is queued from the rhapsody catalog you get sufficient
> info (title, artist, album), but when you queue it from "my library" you
> lose the artist info, and things get even worse when you queue it from a
> rhapsody playlist as you then only have access to the name of the song.
>
>

Chris Wood
2005-04-17, 20:27
I just wanted to add another name to the list of people who wish the newsest rhapsody version / slimserver version was supported properly.

The new rhapsody client (v.3) lets you save files in wma format onto your harddrive for offline playback. Surely it should be possible to stream these to the squeezebox using slimserver. I couldnt quite figure out how.

Perhaps another solution to the problem would be to write a plugin to rhapsody itself to stream directly to squeezebox, instead of a plugin for slimserver to control rhapsody. I don't know anything about programming so am just thinking out loud. The rhapsody client has evolved and now lets you playback mp3s and other music that you already have from your hard drive as well as streamed content (previously you couldnt do this). It's really a much better program than it was before.

Please can someone take a fresh look into the possibilities of the latest rhapsody client. It may be easier to interface with than it was before.

Another thing, it might be possible for rhapsody to playback Real files now, I'm not entirely sure but isn't this what you guys were trying to do inside windows with alienbbc ? Maybe I'm wrong but someone who knows more than me should check the possiblities of it.

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-18, 07:33
Where is this "version 3" of the Rhapsody client? I haven't been able to
find it and this is the first I've heard of those features being added to
Rhapsody. This is rather exciting....

jabesnyder
2005-04-18, 13:48
Aaron, I'd like to know how you got Rhapsody to auto-launch and stay logged in via execute scripts. Can you post the way you did that?


I'll whole-heartedly weigh-in with support for this suggestion. This is
also a major obstacle to me considering a squeezebox2 as it simply won't
work with Rhapsody. And while the squeezebox is impressive for a number of
reasons (slimserver is especially flexible) I agree with the original poster
that rhapsody/realslim is consistently the most impressive thing about the
squeezebox to most people I've shown it to.

Charles-- I'm wondering what you find high-maintenance about it. Is it the
issues of launching rhapsody and keeping it running? In conjunction with
Girder and KDF's execute-script plugin I've got an almost bullet-proof
hands-off solution that allows me to launch rhapsody from my squeezebox and
will keep rhapsody from timing out indefinitely. If you'd like some
pointers on how to set up something like this I'd be glad to give you a
hand. The main problems I have arise when rhapsody itself has it's
occasional glitch.

I'd also like to be able to see more information about currently playing
songs--when music is queued from the rhapsody catalog you get sufficient
info (title, artist, album), but when you queue it from "my library" you
lose the artist info, and things get even worse when you queue it from a
rhapsody playlist as you then only have access to the name of the song.

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-18, 15:32
> Aaron, I'd like to know how you got Rhapsody to auto-launch and stay
> logged in via execute scripts. Can you post the way you did that?

To launch Rhapsody from the squeezebox you need KDF's execute-script plugin.
Install that and set up a directory in your slimserver\server directory
called "scripts". Stick a bat file in there that launches rhapsody. Mine
looks something like this:

@start "" "c:\Program Files\RealRhapsody\Rhapsody.exe"
exit

You can theoretically set up the plugin to run that script whenever certain
buttons are pressed on your squeezebox remote (though I think KDF was having
problems with this, last I heard), but I prefer to use it in it's "testing"
mode where you simply navigate to the execute-script plugin in the plugin
menu, then down to an event, then over, and choose your bat file and press
play to launch rhapsody.



To keep rhapsody running I use girder (an AMAZING program that seems to be
able to do anything). The trial version of girder now requires registration
after 30 days (and it's really worth it, if you ask me), though I do have an
older version that's an unlimited, uncrippled (legal) shareware version from
about a year and a half ago if you'd like me to send that to you. Girder
has a timer plugin that I use to instantiate a girder macro once every 3
hours. The macro checks to see if rhapsody is running and if it is it
maximizes the app and clicks the "album info" button under the album art.
This proves to be sufficient interaction to keep rhapsody from timing out.
I can also send you my girder file when I get home (I'm still at work), if
you'd like.

jabesnyder
2005-04-19, 09:49
> I do have an
older version that's an unlimited, uncrippled (legal) shareware version from
about a year and a half ago if you'd like me to send that to you. Girder
has a timer plugin that I use to instantiate a girder macro once every 3
hours. The macro checks to see if rhapsody is running and if it is it
maximizes the app and clicks the "album info" button under the album art.
This proves to be sufficient interaction to keep rhapsody from timing out.
I can also send you my girder file when I get home (I'm still at work), if
you'd like.

Yes, can you please send the uncrippled version and macro file? I'll start working on it as soon as I get it. Very cool!

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-21, 14:22
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on this...I've been a bit under
the weather lately. You'll find the files here:
http://www.phhp.ufl.edu/~azinck/

Be sure to enable the AlarmTimer plugin. And this probably goes without
saying but this was designed for Windows. One more thing: you may need to
tweak the variables for the "MoveMouse" event to suit your screen size. I
programmed this on a computer running 1280x1024 so if you're running a
different resolution the button will almost certainly be in a different
location on the screen. Let me know if you need any more help...

JimB
2005-04-21, 17:53
Checking the listen.com website looks like a major announcement April 26. Probably the broad release of the 3.0 service with "to-go" features.

Can the squeezebox 1 handle DRM files?

jabesnyder
2005-04-22, 06:33
Let me know if you need any more help...

Thanks again. I will!

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-26, 15:06
> Checking the listen.com website looks like a major announcement April
> 26. Probably the broad release of the 3.0 service with "to-go"
> features.

So has anyone tried the new Rhapsody with the existing Realslim plugin?
Seems unlikely that it'd work but I gave the new rhapsody a try here at work
today and WOW, rhapsody v3 sure is an improvement. I don't think I'll give
it a try at home quite yet because I'm a chicken and don't want to break a
setup that works :). So if anyone gives this a try please let us know how
it goes.

With respect to DRM...I don't really think that that's going to be the
solution--I'd imagine that the downloaded "files" (which I'm not sure are
even maintained as separate files anyhow, but rather as one big cache,
though I could be wrong about that) would simply be played back through the
rhapsody interface and the audio streamed to a port which slimserver listens
to just as it's done now.

markmun
2005-04-26, 15:18
It looks great but I am chicken as well.

I'll try it on my work computer I do think the chances are slim.

markmun
2005-04-26, 15:23
It looks great but I am chicken as well.

I'll try it on my work computer I do think the chances are slim.

Speaking of Slim, it does not appear that they are interested in supporting Rhapsody. I understand they would rather the community picked up support. But for me it is too important. I love my Squeezebox but I am looking for other solutions.

JimB
2005-04-26, 18:29
The new client is pretty slick with some creature comforts.

It does not work with Real Slim. Real Slim does not recognize that Rhapsody is running.

It does download 160kbps audio files. Mine show up as WMAs but I think its likely that WMP is my default player for the type it downloads.

You can play these files in WMP and Winamp on the same machine you downloaded them on if you select Authorize Computer from Tools dropdown. If you add these files to your slimserver scan, it will pick them up. Hitting play adds them to now playing but they will not play.... will not leave Stop mode.

I am going to keep playing with this. I hope I can roll back.

Aaron Zinck
2005-04-26, 23:00
> The new client is pretty slick with some creature comforts.
>
> It does not work with Real Slim. Real Slim does not recognize that
> Rhapsody is running.
>
> It does download 160kbps audio files. Mine show up as WMAs but I think
> its likely that WMP is my default player for the type it downloads.
>
> You can play these files in WMP and Winamp on the same machine you
> downloaded them on if you select Authorize Computer from Tools
> dropdown. If you add these files to your slimserver scan, it will
> pick them up. Hitting play adds them to now playing but they will not
> play.... will not leave Stop mode.
>
> I am going to keep playing with this. I hope I can roll back.
>
>
> --
> JimB

Thanks for taking the plunge for us, Jim, and for keeping us posted on how
it's going...

JimB
2005-04-27, 12:39
Happy to jump on the grenade. Least I could do.

It will be a few days before I can get back into this. I did notice that you can download in different file formats. Perhaps wma is not the best to stream this kind of protected content from. Maybe better as mp3? Anyway, hang in there.

Brian B
2005-04-28, 06:42
I would think playing the "to-go" files would be much like playing the Audiofeast content. For Audiofeast a plugin was written using their player client to stream the content to slimserver. I don't beleive the files themselves, or the Rhapsody files, will play natively due to the DRM.
I am in the market for a second player, but am holding off on an SB2 just because of the lack of Rhapsody support.