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Jeff Fila
2005-03-09, 15:26
What are your thoughts on the best stand-alone server set up. I'm
building a server that's sole purpose is to run SlimServer. I was
thinking about ClarkConnect in stand-alone mode. That way I could
manage it from a web interface if I wanted to.

Any other suggestions? I'd also like to be able to connect an external
USB or Firewire drive to it to add more music, but I guess I could
just do it through Samba instead.

Michael Peters
2005-03-09, 17:17
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:26:42 -0500, Jeff Fila <jtfila (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> What are your thoughts on the best stand-alone server set up. I'm
> building a server that's sole purpose is to run SlimServer. I was
> thinking about ClarkConnect in stand-alone mode. That way I could
> manage it from a web interface if I wanted to.
>
> Any other suggestions? I'd also like to be able to connect an external
> USB or Firewire drive to it to add more music, but I guess I could
> just do it through Samba instead.

If you slap linux on it - you can turn on xdmcp and remotely log into
it through your favorite X11 gui desktop environment.

FireWire support in Linux seems to be spotty but is getting better.
Most PCI cards do work, it's the onboard firewire that sometimes don't
- I know the nforce2 firewire works (at least for me) - but some
onboard firewire controllers don't (yet anyway).

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Marshall Clow
2005-03-09, 17:21
>On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:26:42 -0500, Jeff Fila <jtfila (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> What are your thoughts on the best stand-alone server set up. I'm
>> building a server that's sole purpose is to run SlimServer. I was
>> thinking about ClarkConnect in stand-alone mode. That way I could
>> manage it from a web interface if I wanted to.
>>
>> Any other suggestions? I'd also like to be able to connect an external
>> USB or Firewire drive to it to add more music, but I guess I could
> > just do it through Samba instead.

I'm going to try a mac mini (as soon as it arrives).
Small, silent, Firewire, USB2, 100-T, 802.11 G.
--
-- Marshall

Marshall Clow Idio Software <mailto:marshall (AT) idio (DOT) com>

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

dean
2005-03-09, 23:50
If you don't mind the size, I just bought a Dell 420SC server with a
160GB hard drive, 256MB of RAM and 2.53Ghz Celeron for $229.

Remarkable deal and should have plenty of power for the job with your
favorite flavor of Linux.

<http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/servers?
c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd>

(I haven't turned the thing on yet, but I've been running a similar
model for a year my Win/VMWARE machine and it's been a champ and quiet
as a mouse.)

If you aren't Linux savvy, I recommend the Mac Mini, but it's a bunch
more money.

-dean



On Mar 9, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Jeff Fila wrote:

> What are your thoughts on the best stand-alone server set up. I'm
> building a server that's sole purpose is to run SlimServer. I was
> thinking about ClarkConnect in stand-alone mode. That way I could
> manage it from a web interface if I wanted to.
>
> Any other suggestions? I'd also like to be able to connect an external
> USB or Firewire drive to it to add more music, but I guess I could
> just do it through Samba instead.
>

Michael Peters
2005-03-10, 00:21
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:21:05 -0800, Marshall Clow <marshall (AT) idio (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> I'm going to try a mac mini (as soon as it arrives).
> Small, silent, Firewire, USB2, 100-T, 802.11 G.

Mac Mini's really are nice.
Sorry for going off topic - but the small form and good looks really
is a big plus.

I'm going to be using a shuttle myself, though, for slimserver - the
cost is about the same and I have to assemble the shuttle, but by
going with a shuttle, I have a PCI slot and 2 standard hard drive
bays, two ram slots, standard optical bay, and don't have to worry
about the fact that the broadcom chip doesn't work in PPC Linux yet
(being ppc, NDISwrapper doesn't work)

I am getting a couple minis at some point - one for the kitchen
(recipes) - it will also run Linux and will be wireless, though
wireless through a bridge - and another mini for OS X.

They just really are that nice, underpowered a little perhaps - but class.

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Jeff Fila
2005-03-10, 17:11
I have the hardware for the server - PIII 733 with 1gig of PC133 and a
300GB HD - what I need is the OS. I'll probably just use ClarkConnect
since it is small, quick to install, and has all of the web-based
admin tools already installed. This is going to be a true stand-alone
server with no keyboard, mouse, or monitor.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:21:07 -0800, Michael Peters <funkyres (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:21:05 -0800, Marshall Clow <marshall (AT) idio (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm going to try a mac mini (as soon as it arrives).
> > Small, silent, Firewire, USB2, 100-T, 802.11 G.
>
> Mac Mini's really are nice.
> Sorry for going off topic - but the small form and good looks really
> is a big plus.
>
> I'm going to be using a shuttle myself, though, for slimserver - the
> cost is about the same and I have to assemble the shuttle, but by
> going with a shuttle, I have a PCI slot and 2 standard hard drive
> bays, two ram slots, standard optical bay, and don't have to worry
> about the fact that the broadcom chip doesn't work in PPC Linux yet
> (being ppc, NDISwrapper doesn't work)
>
> I am getting a couple minis at some point - one for the kitchen
> (recipes) - it will also run Linux and will be wireless, though
> wireless through a bridge - and another mini for OS X.
>
> They just really are that nice, underpowered a little perhaps - but class.
>
> --
> http://mpeters.us/
>

Steve Agnew
2005-03-10, 20:00
Hi Michael,

I'm currently using a Shuttle PC which is fine but quite noisy -
noticeably so at night - so I've been evaluating the mac mini too.

I've just been trying the current 5.4 Slimserver on a Mac Mini (1GB
RAM) connected to a wired SB1 and I've had a lot of dropouts playing
flac files with Perl taking up about 60% CPU time during playing. The
flac files are on an external firewire drive. I haven't tried 6.0.

I'm going to try it again with the SB2 when this arrives. Hopefully
with the flac decoding happening on the SB2 the load on the mini mac
will be acceptable. I'll post my results if no-one else beats me to it!

Maybe someone at Slim Devices can comment on this.

Cheers,

Steve Agnew.

Phil Nelson
2005-03-11, 13:41
Steve Agnew wrote:

>Hi Michael,
>
>I'm currently using a Shuttle PC which is fine but quite noisy -
>noticeably so at night - so I've been evaluating the mac mini too.
>
>I've just been trying the current 5.4 Slimserver on a Mac Mini (1GB
>RAM) connected to a wired SB1 and I've had a lot of dropouts playing
>flac files with Perl taking up about 60% CPU time during playing. The
>flac files are on an external firewire drive. I haven't tried 6.0.
>
>I'm going to try it again with the SB2 when this arrives. Hopefully
>with the flac decoding happening on the SB2 the load on the mini mac
>will be acceptable. I'll post my results if no-one else beats me to it!
>
>Maybe someone at Slim Devices can comment on this.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Steve Agnew.
>
>
>
I also tried 5.4 on a Mac mini (1.25 GHz, 512 MB). It seems to be fine
with MP3 (I didn't try flac).
BTW, I just crashed Firefox (OS X) by stopping the Slimserver. Maybe
Firefox couldn't handle refreshing a page that wasn't there?

--
Phil Nelson

Aaron Zinck
2005-03-14, 11:58
"dean blackketter" wrote in message
> If you don't mind the size, I just bought a Dell 420SC server with a
> 160GB hard drive, 256MB of RAM and 2.53Ghz Celeron for $229.
>
> Remarkable deal and should have plenty of power for the job with your
> favorite flavor of Linux.
>
> <http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/servers?
> c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd>
>
> (I haven't turned the thing on yet, but I've been running a similar
> model for a year my Win/VMWARE machine and it's been a champ and quiet
> as a mouse.)
>
> If you aren't Linux savvy, I recommend the Mac Mini, but it's a bunch
> more money.
>
> -dean

Dean--I've been looking into getting this machine as my primary desktop,
however this warning appears at the top of the Dell page:

Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP.
Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420

Is this accurate? Does the bios somehow not recognize graphics cards?
Surely there are at least PCI slots in the machine.

Phil Nelson
2005-03-16, 10:44
Aaron Zinck wrote:

>"dean blackketter" wrote in message
>
>
>>If you don't mind the size, I just bought a Dell 420SC server with a
>>160GB hard drive, 256MB of RAM and 2.53Ghz Celeron for $229.
>>
>>Remarkable deal and should have plenty of power for the job with your
>>favorite flavor of Linux.
>>
>><http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/servers?
>>c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd>
>>
>>(I haven't turned the thing on yet, but I've been running a similar
>>model for a year my Win/VMWARE machine and it's been a champ and quiet
>>as a mouse.)
>>
>>If you aren't Linux savvy, I recommend the Mac Mini, but it's a bunch
>>more money.
>>
>>-dean
>>
>>
>
>Dean--I've been looking into getting this machine as my primary desktop,
>however this warning appears at the top of the Dell page:
>
>Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP.
>Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420
>
>Is this accurate? Does the bios somehow not recognize graphics cards?
>Surely there are at least PCI slots in the machine.
>
>
>
>
A review at c/net says you can plug in a monitor. It would be a sort of
useless for a lot of people otherwise.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_PowerEdge_SC420_Server_for_Business/4505-3125_7-31127776.html

--
Phil Nelson

Aaron Zinck
2005-03-16, 12:09
"Phil Nelson" wrote
> Aaron Zinck wrote:
>
> >"dean blackketter" wrote in message
> >
> >
> >>If you don't mind the size, I just bought a Dell 420SC server with a
> >>160GB hard drive, 256MB of RAM and 2.53Ghz Celeron for $229.
> >>
> >>Remarkable deal and should have plenty of power for the job with your
> >>favorite flavor of Linux.
> >>
> >><http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/servers?
> >>c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd>
> >>
> >>(I haven't turned the thing on yet, but I've been running a similar
> >>model for a year my Win/VMWARE machine and it's been a champ and quiet
> >>as a mouse.)
> >>
> >>If you aren't Linux savvy, I recommend the Mac Mini, but it's a bunch
> >>more money.
> >>
> >>-dean
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Dean--I've been looking into getting this machine as my primary desktop,
> >however this warning appears at the top of the Dell page:
> >
> >Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP.
> >Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420
> >
> >Is this accurate? Does the bios somehow not recognize graphics cards?
> >Surely there are at least PCI slots in the machine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> A review at c/net says you can plug in a monitor. It would be a sort of
> useless for a lot of people otherwise.
>
>
http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_PowerEdge_SC420_Server_for_Business/4505-3125_7-31127776.html
>
> --
> Phil Nelson

Thanks for the info guys!

Michael Peters
2005-03-16, 12:21
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:10:49 -0500, Michael Haan
<michael_haan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Having just gotten my myth tv box running, and relocating my slimserver (now
> 6.0 - thanks to those who helped) install to it, I'm ready to rip and tag
> the CDs that have piled-up over the past two months and I'd really like to
> use a command-line tool to do it. Does anyone know of, or better yet use,
> anything like this?

I don't trust/like cddb -

One album, artist will be Eagles - next it will be The Eagles
One album, artist will be R.E.O. Speedwago - next it will be REO
Speedwagon - etc.

Here's what I do.
It's more work, but worth it (imho)

1) create directory structure
~/flac/Artist_With_Underscores_For_Spaces/Album_Same_Underscore_Dealie

cd ~/flac/U2/War
cdparanoia -d /dev/hdc -B -X

That rips them to wav files.
I rename them -

01-Sunday_Bloody_Sunday.wav
02-Seconds.wav
03-New_Year\'s_Day.wav

etc.

Then I create metadata using a shell script I wrote (request if you want)

wav2flac-metadata.sh "Rock" 1983

That creates a file called tracks.txt
I hand edit that file if needed (usually not, but some special
characters I don't escape but use spaces, so I do sometimes need to
fix the file)

Then I run wav2flac.sh (request if you want) - and it makes my flac
files tagged for me using the metadata provided.

That may be more work than you want to do - I just got sick of
incorrect CDDB data. So when I have incorrect data now, it's me to
blame :p

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Michael Peters
2005-03-16, 16:02
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:36:55 -0500, Michael Haan
<michael_haan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm not oppsed to additional work, especially if it reduces errors and can
> be somewhat scripted. So, your method adds a manual step for naming the
> files, otherwise using cdparanoia and flac? That's not so bad. I still
> need to look at jack and compare it to abcde and your method, but would you
> mind sending along those scripts that you mentioned? Thanks.

Attached

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Jeff Fila
2005-03-16, 18:49
Of course you can plug in a monitor... the reason Dell says it isn't
to be used as a workstation is just that they don't support it as a
workstation. It is built for Windows Server 2003 and the driver discs
included are for Win2k3. If you tried to put XP on it, you'd have to
manually install each driver. You also can't use a PCI-express video
card so you'd either need to use the onboard video or a PCI video
card. If you can handle that, there is no reason why you can't use
this as a workstation.


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:09:17 -0500, Aaron Zinck <azinck3 (AT) ufl (DOT) edu> wrote:
>
> "Phil Nelson" wrote
> > Aaron Zinck wrote:
> >
> > >"dean blackketter" wrote in message
> > >
> > >
> > >>If you don't mind the size, I just bought a Dell 420SC server with a
> > >>160GB hard drive, 256MB of RAM and 2.53Ghz Celeron for $229.
> > >>
> > >>Remarkable deal and should have plenty of power for the job with your
> > >>favorite flavor of Linux.
> > >>
> > >><http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/servers?
> > >>c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd>
> > >>
> > >>(I haven't turned the thing on yet, but I've been running a similar
> > >>model for a year my Win/VMWARE machine and it's been a champ and quiet
> > >>as a mouse.)
> > >>
> > >>If you aren't Linux savvy, I recommend the Mac Mini, but it's a bunch
> > >>more money.
> > >>
> > >>-dean
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Dean--I've been looking into getting this machine as my primary desktop,
> > >however this warning appears at the top of the Dell page:
> > >
> > >Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP.
> > >Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420
> > >
> > >Is this accurate? Does the bios somehow not recognize graphics cards?
> > >Surely there are at least PCI slots in the machine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > A review at c/net says you can plug in a monitor. It would be a sort of
> > useless for a lot of people otherwise.
> >
> >
> http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_PowerEdge_SC420_Server_for_Business/4505-3125_7-31127776.html
> >
> > --
> > Phil Nelson
>
> Thanks for the info guys!
>
>
>

Andy Hawkins
2005-03-17, 02:22
Hi,

In article <485bb8840503161502b635 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com>,
Michael Peters<funkyres (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Attached

I'm reading these lists through gmane, and don't seem to be able to decode
the attachments. Can you e-mail them to me at andy (AT) gently (DOT) org.uk

Thanks

Andy

John Rakestraw
2005-03-17, 16:00
I'm using the script called crip:

http://bach.dynet.com/crip/

"crip is a terminal-based ripper/encoder/tagger tool for creating Ogg
Vorbis/FLAC/MP3 files under UNIX/Linux. It is well-suited for anyone
(especially the perfectionist) who seeks to make a lot of files from CDs
and have them all properly labeled and professional-quality with a minimum
of hassle and yet still have flexibility and full control over everything.
Current versions of crip only support Ogg Vorbis and FLAC."

I find it a good mix of manual and automatic -- I can easily correct tags
when I want to and accept what it finds if I like that.

--John

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> myth tv box running, and relocating my slimserver (now 6.0 - thanks to
> those who helped) install to it, I'm ready to rip and tag the CDs that
> have piled-up over the past two months and I'd really like to use a
> command-line tool to do it.&nbsp; Does anyone know of, or better yet use,
> anything like this?</DIV></div></html>
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