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Arthur Cheng
2005-03-08, 22:57
Wow! Sean,

This is really exciting!! Any chance that the display will support other language like Chinese? It is really difficult to guess the name of the Chinese songs from some strange display like this "}~NJ}Ljοū??"!



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From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Sean Adams
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:30 PM
To: Slim Devices Discussion; Slim Devices Developers
Subject: [slim] Squeezebox2


Hi everyone,

Lots of folks noticed that we were running low on inventory, spending
less time here, and working our butts off on SlimServer 6. As
suspected, there is a new product. Squeezebox2 is in full production
now, and the first units will ship on March 31.

Squeezebox2 addresses all of the top performance and functionality
requests that come up here every day.

802.11g/WPA: for better range, compatibility, security, and throughput
FLAC: for reduced bandwidth usage
More memory: for better streaming of PCM audio over wireless

I'm just getting started... don't worry, I'll get to the pony. :)

Although I don't often contribute to the audiophile discussions, I
really do enjoy reading them. Regardless of who can hear what, the fact
is that there are indeed some real measurable characteristics such as
output levels, THD+N, and clock precision where we had room for
significant improvement. Squeezebox2 has completely done away with all
the limitations - we're now doing all of the audio decoding and DSP
work in software, and this gave me the freedom to design the digital
outputs and analog stages exactly the way I wanted them. Please see the
FAQ and the hardware specs page for details on the new design.

Among other things, the new design has allowed us to implement cross
fading and some very impressive visualizers. Of course, having it all
done in software (on an extremely fast processor) leaves the door open
for more functionality down the road.

Now some people have pooh-poohed the idea of visualizers as just being
eye candy, but personally I think a high resolution, ultra-fast
spectrum analyzer is quite a thing to behold. We've got one now - full
screen, 64 bands, 30 frames per second, and perfectly synced with the
audio. There are a few visualizers to choose from, including a smaller
spectrum analyzer and "analog" VU meters.

Squeezebox2 also has a new vacuum fluorescent display - we had it
custom designed by Noritake specifically to support the ideas we had in
mind for new fonts, animations, and visualizers. The display is
slightly larger physically, and has more than twice the resolution at
320x32 pixels. It has multiple brightness levels of course, but it also
has grayscale capability, which we use for the visualizers and
graphics.

A few "bonus" features that you might not have expected:

Dual antennas: Squeezebox2 has both an internal AND an external
antenna. The 802.11g radio takes advantage of this configuration to
automatically select the best antenna for transmit/receive, optimizing
signal strength and vastly improving range/throughput.

Bridging: yes, Squeezebox2 can share its wireless connection with a
wired ethernet device connected through its (100Mbps) ethernet port.
This allows other devices in the home theatre, such as Xboxen,
Playstations, Tivos, or HTPCs to connect wirelessly to your access
point.

Pony: there is a discount code, "FREEPONY". Enter this on the order
page to get $20 off on either the wired or the wireless model.

Finally, a big "thank you" goes to every one of our customers and
especially the people on this list. Thank you for promoting the
product, helping us improve it, and suggesting ideas.

The new web site is up now: http://www.slimdevices.com

Sean

seanadams
2005-03-08, 23:08
On Mar 8, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Arthur Cheng wrote:

> Wow! Sean,
>
> This is really exciting!! Any chance that the display will support
> other language like Chinese? It is really difficult to guess the name
> of the Chinese songs from some strange display like this "}~NJ}Ljοū??"!

Absolutely - we will need help with the character set and string
localization, of course.

Japanese is #1 on the list - Dan Sully already has it going in the web
interface for SlimServer 6. We just need a font for the VFD and a some
strings translated.

Larry Truesdale
2005-03-08, 23:29
I'm happy that you're continuing to innovate and progress, but I have
to say that I'm dissappointed that native FLAC support still isn't
(and I'm guessing never will be) supported on the first SB. FLAC
support was the reason why I originally chose SlimDevices and when I
realized after getting it installed that FLAC wasn't supported
natively, I seriously considered returning it. However, I took the
risk and this is how its turned out. Other than that and the related
inability to seek forwards and backwards, I've been happy. Is there
any chance that native FLAC will ever be supported on SB1?

Larry


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:08:57 -0800, Sean Adams <sadams (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 8, 2005, at 9:57 PM, Arthur Cheng wrote:
>
> > Wow! Sean,
> >
> > This is really exciting!! Any chance that the display will support
> > other language like Chinese? It is really difficult to guess the name
> > of the Chinese songs from some strange display like this "}~NJ}Ljοū??"!
>
> Absolutely - we will need help with the character set and string
> localization, of course.
>
> Japanese is #1 on the list - Dan Sully already has it going in the web
> interface for SlimServer 6. We just need a font for the VFD and a some
> strings translated.
>
>
>

seanadams
2005-03-09, 00:13
On Mar 8, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Larry Truesdale wrote:

> Is there
> any chance that native FLAC will ever be supported on SB1?
>

I'd never say "never" but it's extremely unlikely. It would take
reverse-engineering the micronas chip so you can write a new codec for
it... sorry.

Phil Karn
2005-03-09, 00:20
Larry Truesdale wrote:
> I'm happy that you're continuing to innovate and progress, but I have
> to say that I'm dissappointed that native FLAC support still isn't
> (and I'm guessing never will be) supported on the first SB. FLAC
> support was the reason why I originally chose SlimDevices and when I
> realized after getting it installed that FLAC wasn't supported
> natively, I seriously considered returning it. However, I took the
> risk and this is how its turned out. Other than that and the related
> inability to seek forwards and backwards, I've been happy. Is there
> any chance that native FLAC will ever be supported on SB1?

Why is this important to you? Are you running on a wireless network?

On a wired network, especially at 100 Mb/s, the extra network loading of
uncompressed PCM is just not significant at all. Nor is the load of the
FLAC decoder on the server CPU; here it's just a few percent at most.

There are some times that the squeezebox buffer underruns when the
server is doing other things like rebuilding its database, but that
could be fixed with some attention to proper priority levels for the
various threads that make up the slimserver.

So while it would certainly be nice to have native FLAC decoding, I
don't see its omission on the original Squeezebox to be all that much of
a problem, at least for the wired model. I do think the new native FLAC
decoding plus 801.11g support on the wireless model is a very worthy
improvement. I had held off buying a wireless model mainly because of
the lack of 802.11g support.

Phil

Larry Truesdale
2005-03-09, 04:46
Yes, I must use it wirelessly so it is a problem for me.

Larry


On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:20:12 -0800, Phil Karn <karn (AT) ka9q (DOT) net> wrote:
> Larry Truesdale wrote:
> > I'm happy that you're continuing to innovate and progress, but I have
> > to say that I'm dissappointed that native FLAC support still isn't
> > (and I'm guessing never will be) supported on the first SB. FLAC
> > support was the reason why I originally chose SlimDevices and when I
> > realized after getting it installed that FLAC wasn't supported
> > natively, I seriously considered returning it. However, I took the
> > risk and this is how its turned out. Other than that and the related
> > inability to seek forwards and backwards, I've been happy. Is there
> > any chance that native FLAC will ever be supported on SB1?
>
> Why is this important to you? Are you running on a wireless network?
>
> On a wired network, especially at 100 Mb/s, the extra network loading of
> uncompressed PCM is just not significant at all. Nor is the load of the
> FLAC decoder on the server CPU; here it's just a few percent at most.
>
> There are some times that the squeezebox buffer underruns when the
> server is doing other things like rebuilding its database, but that
> could be fixed with some attention to proper priority levels for the
> various threads that make up the slimserver.
>
> So while it would certainly be nice to have native FLAC decoding, I
> don't see its omission on the original Squeezebox to be all that much of
> a problem, at least for the wired model. I do think the new native FLAC
> decoding plus 801.11g support on the wireless model is a very worthy
> improvement. I had held off buying a wireless model mainly because of
> the lack of 802.11g support.
>
> Phil
>

ron thigpen
2005-03-09, 07:23
Larry Truesdale wrote:
> Yes, I must use it wirelessly so it is a problem for me.

Perhaps the best option for you would be to sell your SB1 and purchase
an SB2. Not costless, but it would get you where you want to be.

The SB1 is still a fantastic unit and completely functional for those
using lossy formats. As such, it should continue to fetch a good price.
I suppose we'll see what the market has to say about this in the
coming few weeks.

--rt

Marc Sherman
2005-03-09, 08:30
ron thigpen wrote:
>
> The SB1 is still a fantastic unit and completely functional for those
> using lossy formats. As such, it should continue to fetch a good price.
> I suppose we'll see what the market has to say about this in the
> coming few weeks.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens to the SB1 in
the secondary market now. If the SB1 price drops low enough, I may just
pick up another (or even a couple).

- Marc