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Eric Loomis
2005-03-01, 15:02
After two years of owning Slimp3 I finally attempted to get it to use Itunes
database. It was out of desperation - just purchased a mini ipod for me and
a ipod shuffle for my wife (love them - another story). Anyway, everything
seems to work fine. Slimp3 locates Itunes database fine, imports songs,
playlist, everything. I essentially have everything consolidated into one
area.

Question...I download a .99 song the other day. It plays fine in Itunes
But slim wont play it. It’s the AAC protected format? I tried to convert
to mp3 but it wouldn’t let me. Anyway to play downloaded/purchased songs
from Itunes store?

Thanks
Eric

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Jack Coates
2005-03-01, 15:12
Eric Loomis wrote:
>
> After two years of owning Slimp3 I finally attempted to get it to use Itunes
> database. It was out of desperation - just purchased a mini ipod for me and
> a ipod shuffle for my wife (love them - another story). Anyway, everything
> seems to work fine. Slimp3 locates Itunes database fine, imports songs,
> playlist, everything. I essentially have everything consolidated into one
> area.
>
> Question...I download a .99 song the other day. It plays fine in Itunes
> But slim wont play it. It’s the AAC protected format? I tried to convert
> to mp3 but it wouldn’t let me. Anyway to play downloaded/purchased songs
> from Itunes store?
>

That's because the file is protected from you.

You can rip the song to a CD and then rip it back as an MP3, or you can
use an application called Hymn to try and crack the DRM. Either option
is an explicit violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act,
punishable with up to $1 million in fines or 10 years in prison
(http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf).

Or you can vote with your wallet; instead of buying from Apple, buy
independent music from stores that don't use DRM, such as
http://www.emusic.com, http://www.magnatune.com, or
http://www.mp3tunes.com. You might also send Apple some feedback.

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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jonas_Nordstr=F6m?=
2005-03-02, 00:21
the easiest solution (if hymn doesn't work) is to burn the songs, but
to a CD image instead of to an actual CD. There are plugins for this,
at least for Windows media player. After that you can rip mp3 from the
CD image as if it was a CD.

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:12:10 -0800, Jack Coates <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org> wrote:
> Eric Loomis wrote:
> >
> > After two years of owning Slimp3 I finally attempted to get it to use Itunes
> > database. It was out of desperation - just purchased a mini ipod for me and
> > a ipod shuffle for my wife (love them - another story). Anyway, everything
> > seems to work fine. Slimp3 locates Itunes database fine, imports songs,
> > playlist, everything. I essentially have everything consolidated into one
> > area.
> >
> > Question...I download a .99 song the other day. It plays fine in Itunes
> > But slim wont play it. It's the AAC protected format? I tried to convert
> > to mp3 but it wouldn't let me. Anyway to play downloaded/purchased songs
> > from Itunes store?
> >
>
> That's because the file is protected from you.
>
> You can rip the song to a CD and then rip it back as an MP3, or you can
> use an application called Hymn to try and crack the DRM. Either option
> is an explicit violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act,
> punishable with up to $1 million in fines or 10 years in prison
> (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf).
>
> Or you can vote with your wallet; instead of buying from Apple, buy
> independent music from stores that don't use DRM, such as
> http://www.emusic.com, http://www.magnatune.com, or
> http://www.mp3tunes.com. You might also send Apple some feedback.
>
> --
> Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
> Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!
>

Chip Hart
2005-03-02, 08:49
...after hearing a few references to Magnatunes here, I decided
to check it out. Cool idea, surprisingly good music. I was
about to work on parsing their WWW pages to extra playlists when
I realized _they'd already done the hard work_ and supply
xml/csv lists of all their music. Wow.

Parsing these lists and creating groups of related playlists is
fairly easy (I just did it for a much grosser radio1234 file),
but I figured I'd see if anyone else has already tried this.
So - anyone played with Magnatunes and automatic playlist
generation?


One thing that seems to be missing from m3u and pls formats is
the ability to have comments or information about the tracks.
Sure, I can crank out 100s of playlists, even sort them by
genre, but that's not as handy is understanding that "Phebe
Craig and Katherine Westine" feature harpsichord duets and not
the Ukranian Children's Choir. Try fitting that on the slim
display...I just wonder if anyone has come up with a smart(er)
way to do this.

Thanks for listening, either way.

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Phil Karn
2005-03-02, 15:23
Chip Hart wrote:
>
> ...after hearing a few references to Magnatunes here, I decided
> to check it out. Cool idea, surprisingly good music. I was
> about to work on parsing their WWW pages to extra playlists when
> I realized _they'd already done the hard work_ and supply
> xml/csv lists of all their music. Wow.

Yup, Magnatune is run by one remarkably enlightened dude, John Buckman.
As far as I can tell, it's a one-man operation. He participates in the
Magnatune forums quite regularly, if you're interested.

> Parsing these lists and creating groups of related playlists is
> fairly easy (I just did it for a much grosser radio1234 file),
> but I figured I'd see if anyone else has already tried this.
> So - anyone played with Magnatunes and automatic playlist
> generation?

I just grabbed his .m3u playlists, massaged them a bit with Perl and
stuffed them into my playlist directory. I also grabbed his Shoutcast
streams; he currently has 6 of them for different genres. I actually
find myself listening mostly to these streams, and then going on his
site when I hear something I like. His ultimate goal *is* to get you to
buy an occasional album, to help cover his streaming costs.

> One thing that seems to be missing from m3u and pls formats is
> the ability to have comments or information about the tracks.
> Sure, I can crank out 100s of playlists, even sort them by
> genre, but that's not as handy is understanding that "Phebe
> Craig and Katherine Westine" feature harpsichord duets and not
> the Ukranian Children's Choir. Try fitting that on the slim
> display...I just wonder if anyone has come up with a smart(er)
> way to do this.

I don't think so. I did notice that his playlist entries are URLs with
file names that just give the track #, artist and song, no album, year
or comment. But if you suck them into iTunes and quickly click on each
one, iTunes will grab the MP3 tags from the stream and display them in
the library window. I haven't run Slimserver on the machine with iTunes,
so I don't know if Slimserver can pick this data out of the iTunes
database and display it on the Squeezebox. But even if it doesn't, the
Slimserver ought to extract and display the MP3 tags when you actually
play the track.

Phil

Chip Hart
2005-03-02, 15:28
Phil Karn wrote:
> I don't think so. I did notice that his playlist entries are URLs with
> file names that just give the track #, artist and song, no album, year
> or comment.

Oh, unless I am misunderstanding you, check this out:

http://magnatune.com/info/api

Look at the XML and csv files - tons of data. I've got it
parsed and all, what I really struggle with is a cool way to
organized it. Yes, I'll spend most of the time with the
randomized streams (great idea), but it may be nice to point at
some of these

Thanks!

--
Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company
chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404
800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip
f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter
Your Practice Just Got Healthier

Phil Karn
2005-03-02, 15:58
Chip Hart wrote:

> Oh, unless I am misunderstanding you, check this out:
>
> http://magnatune.com/info/api
>
> Look at the XML and csv files - tons of data. I've got it
> parsed and all, what I really struggle with is a cool way to

I guess I wasn't aware of all that stuff. Cool! Now to see if I can do
anything with it myself...