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Ert
2005-02-27, 13:14
Hiya.

Frequently, I find I am listening to one artist/album/playlist on
shuffle and want to stop and start listening to a new
artist/album/playlist. However, I really don't want to just stop the
music in the middle of a song, mainly because other people in the house
listening find it annoying to have a song suddenly end in the middle.
I find myself trying to time my use of the remote with the end of the
current song, which is a pain.

I would really like a way to change the playlist to something else, but
still have the current song finish playing instead of having it stop as
soon as it is removed from the current playlist. Is there a good way
to effect such a transition? Something obvious I just missed in recent
server releases?

Thanks,
- Ert Dredge

momerath
2005-02-27, 13:34
I too think it would be a huge improvement in usability to be able to
clear the playlist of all but the playing song from the remote and/or
the web interface.

Michael Peters
2005-02-27, 15:23
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:34:38 -0600, momerath <michael.warnock (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> I too think it would be a huge improvement in usability to be able to
> clear the playlist of all but the playing song from the remote and/or
> the web interface.

I third this.

--
http://mpeters.us/

Phil Karn
2005-02-28, 02:57
Ert wrote:

> I would really like a way to change the playlist to something else, but
> still have the current song finish playing instead of having it stop as
> soon as it is removed from the current playlist. Is there a good way to
> effect such a transition? Something obvious I just missed in recent
> server releases?

Why not just append the new songs to the current playlist, instead of
replacing it?

Aaron Zinck
2005-02-28, 07:31
2 reasons:

1. If you have it on shuffle play then the songs will just get all mixed
in.

2. The new songs will be put at the *end* of the current playlist, so in
most cases you would have to wait through a lot more tracks before hearing
the new stuff--the idea is to have the new stuff start playing immediately
after the current song.

"Phil Karn" <karn (AT) ka9q (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:4222EB02.1010902 (AT) ka9q (DOT) net...
> Ert wrote:
>
> > I would really like a way to change the playlist to something else, but
> > still have the current song finish playing instead of having it stop as
> > soon as it is removed from the current playlist. Is there a good way to
> > effect such a transition? Something obvious I just missed in recent
> > server releases?
>
> Why not just append the new songs to the current playlist, instead of
> replacing it?

momerath
2005-02-28, 08:36
What usually happens to me is that I want music right away and start
the first album that appeals to me at all. Sometimes I'm content with
it, but usually at some point I get restless and want to hear
something else. I hate hearing a song interrupted, and I know its
even more annoying for anyone listening that wasnt expecting it. So,
either I delete the rest of the playlist one at a time in the web
interface (which is not always handy) and then add to it, or I try to
time the switch with the end of a song (which prevents me from lining
up the rest of the playlist until the switch has occured).

> > Why not just append the new songs to the current playlist, instead of
> > replacing it?

narya
2005-02-28, 08:56
You mean something like "Party Shuffle" in iTunes? That would be nice!

Shuffle songs from a given source - whole library or playlist(s) - and
the ability to "Play next in Shuffle" and "Add to Shuffle" on any
given track/album/playlist ...

Alexander.

Phil Karn
2005-02-28, 09:31
Aaron Zinck wrote:

> 1. If you have it on shuffle play then the songs will just get all mixed
> in.

Then don't use shuffle play. :-)

> 2. The new songs will be put at the *end* of the current playlist, so in
> most cases you would have to wait through a lot more tracks before hearing
> the new stuff--the idea is to have the new stuff start playing immediately
> after the current song.

Then delete all the songs in the current playlist except the currently
playing one before appending the new playlist...

Dan Sully
2005-02-28, 13:28
* Ert shaped the electrons to say...

>Frequently, I find I am listening to one artist/album/playlist on
>shuffle and want to stop and start listening to a new
>artist/album/playlist. However, I really don't want to just stop the
>music in the middle of a song, mainly because other people in the house
>listening find it annoying to have a song suddenly end in the middle.
>I find myself trying to time my use of the remote with the end of the
>current song, which is a pain.
>
>I would really like a way to change the playlist to something else, but
>still have the current song finish playing instead of having it stop as
>soon as it is removed from the current playlist. Is there a good way
>to effect such a transition? Something obvious I just missed in recent
>server releases?

Sounds like a great idea - could you file a enhancment bug? Thanks.

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/

-D
--
It's the wrong trousers Gromit, and they've gone wrong!

Aaron Zinck
2005-02-28, 13:35
"Phil Karn" wrote
> Aaron Zinck wrote:
>
> > 1. If you have it on shuffle play then the songs will just get all
mixed
> > in.
>
> Then don't use shuffle play. :-)

Some people will find that a reasonable solution, others will probably still
want to use shuffle play. I don't think it's unreasonable to want this
feature *and* want to use shuffle play.

> > 2. The new songs will be put at the *end* of the current playlist, so
in
> > most cases you would have to wait through a lot more tracks before
hearing
> > the new stuff--the idea is to have the new stuff start playing
immediately
> > after the current song.
>
> Then delete all the songs in the current playlist except the currently
> playing one before appending the new playlist...

I often have playlists of 100+ tracks. Perhaps I've grossly overlooked some
feature that automatically does what you suggest but I don't know of any way
to do this without manually stepping through and deleting each and every
track from the playlist.

nico-kw-slim.950fa0@gianniotis.org
2005-02-28, 15:42
While we're on the topic of enhancements, something that I haven't
seen on any player, and that I would find incredibly useful, is the
ability when in random play to easily "lock" playback to a specific
album or artist.

For example, you are listening to random playback via the usual means
(browsing, playlists, whatever). A song comes on that really catches
your mood. With a single button press you could then constrain the
subsequent tracks to be the remaining songs (in order) on the album
the track is from ("album lock"), or with a different button press you
could constrain subsequent tracks to those only by the same artist as
("artist lock"). These modes would be a toggle - when you are tired of
exploiting your transient whim, you could revert back to purely random
play with another button press.

Since it can be hard to know one's mood in advance, and more so, how
it responds to various music as it's randomly presented, the ability
to lock onto something good when it appears and prolong the experience
IMHO would be a truly valuable (and at the present time unique)
feature. When listening in random play mode I regularly wish I had
this feature!

Nico

Dan Sully writes:

> * Ert shaped the electrons to say...
>> Frequently, I find I am listening to one artist/album/playlist on
>> shuffle and want to stop and start listening to a new
>> artist/album/playlist. However, I really don't want to just stop
>> the music in the middle of a song, mainly because other people in
>> the house listening find it annoying to have a song suddenly end in
>> the middle. I find myself trying to time my use of the remote with
>> the end of the current song, which is a pain.
>>
>> I would really like a way to change the playlist to something else,
>> but still have the current song finish playing instead of having it
>> stop as soon as it is removed from the current playlist. Is there a
>> good way to effect such a transition? Something obvious I just
>> missed in recent server releases?

> Sounds like a great idea - could you file a enhancment bug? Thanks.

> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/

> -D
> --
> It's the wrong trousers Gromit, and they've gone wrong!
>

Phil Karn
2005-02-28, 16:17
Aaron Zinck wrote:

> I often have playlists of 100+ tracks. Perhaps I've grossly overlooked some
> feature that automatically does what you suggest but I don't know of any way
> to do this without manually stepping through and deleting each and every
> track from the playlist.

Ack. I see what you mean.

Phil Karn
2005-02-28, 16:21
nico-kw-slim.950fa0 (AT) gianniotis (DOT) org wrote:

> For example, you are listening to random playback via the usual means
> (browsing, playlists, whatever). A song comes on that really catches
> your mood. With a single button press you could then constrain the
> subsequent tracks to be the remaining songs (in order) on the album
> the track is from ("album lock"), or with a different button press you
> could constrain subsequent tracks to those only by the same artist as
> ("artist lock").

I think that's a really great idea! I don't use shuffle, but I often
listen to broadcast streams and find that hearing a particular song
makes me want to hear the rest of that same album or artist. If I'm
listening to Magnatune's shoutcast streams, I'll go to their webpage,
look up the artist that was just playing, and listen to the rest of the
album. Or I'll fire up something in my own collection.

Anyway, I would find this feature to be very useful too, especially if
it can work from a broadcast stream.

kdf
2005-02-28, 16:32
Quoting Phil Karn <karn (AT) ka9q (DOT) net>:

> nico-kw-slim.950fa0 (AT) gianniotis (DOT) org wrote:
>
> > For example, you are listening to random playback via the usual means
> > (browsing, playlists, whatever). A song comes on that really catches
> > your mood. With a single button press you could then constrain the
> > subsequent tracks to be the remaining songs (in order) on the album
> > the track is from ("album lock"), or with a different button press you
> > could constrain subsequent tracks to those only by the same artist as
> > ("artist lock").
>
> I think that's a really great idea! I don't use shuffle, but I often
> listen to broadcast streams and find that hearing a particular song
> makes me want to hear the rest of that same album or artist. If I'm
> listening to Magnatune's shoutcast streams, I'll go to their webpage,
> look up the artist that was just playing, and listen to the rest of the
> album. Or I'll fire up something in my own collection.
>
> Anyway, I would find this feature to be very useful too, especially if
> it can work from a broadcast stream.

web UI:
click on now playing song title to get songinfo page
click album link
click All Songs play link.

player UI:
press right for trackinfo
down for album
press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)

of course, having every desired function one-click away is always a great idea.

-kdf

Aaron Zinck
2005-02-28, 16:51
"kdf" wrote:

> player UI:
> press right for trackinfo
> down for album
> press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)

Wow! I had no idea this was possible

Dan Sully
2005-02-28, 16:58
* Aaron Zinck shaped the electrons to say...

>> player UI:
>> press right for trackinfo
>> down for album
>> press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)
>
>Wow! I had no idea this was possible

It should be fixed as of yesterday afternoon.

-D
--
vacation (n) : an extended trip away from home in search of inconvenient ways to connect to the Internet.

Phil Karn
2005-02-28, 17:51
kdf wrote:

> web UI:
> click on now playing song title to get songinfo page
> click album link
> click All Songs play link.
>
> player UI:
> press right for trackinfo
> down for album
> press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)

Will this work for a "radio" station?

kdf
2005-02-28, 18:05
Quoting Phil Karn <karn (AT) ka9q (DOT) net>:

> kdf wrote:
>
> > web UI:
> > click on now playing song title to get songinfo page
> > click album link
> > click All Songs play link.
> >
> > player UI:
> > press right for trackinfo
> > down for album
> > press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)
>
> Will this work for a "radio" station?

er, not really. since all you do is listen to what they play.
some streams send metadata, but its usually rather incomplete and not easy to
keep updating to the 'current song' info. I'm not sure that even if it could
be parsed and allocated properly that there would be an easy way to link it
back to the database in the same way it is for trackinfo. In any case, nto
exactly a trivial task.

-kdf

kdf
2005-02-28, 19:57
Quoting Dan Sully <dan (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com>:

> * Aaron Zinck shaped the electrons to say...
>
> >> player UI:
> >> press right for trackinfo
> >> down for album
> >> press play (tho this appears currently broken with 6.0)
> >
> >Wow! I had no idea this was possible
>
> It should be fixed as of yesterday afternoon.

hrm, it works from the web ui, but not via player UI trackinfo for me. both
album and artist come up empty

-kdf