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Dave Owen
2005-02-25, 16:21
One more note: you'd think they would have included the SqueezeBox in
the list of recommended players for feeding your stereo, but they left
out both SqueezeBox and Roku. Hmm, think they don't want their customers
reading about those products using SlimServer for free?

Michael Peters
2005-02-25, 16:33
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:21:21 -0800, Dave Owen <dowen (AT) sapient (DOT) com> wrote:
> One more note: you'd think they would have included the SqueezeBox in
> the list of recommended players for feeding your stereo, but they left
> out both SqueezeBox and Roku. Hmm, think they don't want their customers
> reading about those products using SlimServer for free?

I think some people are reading too much into this.
This company is from the same CEO that started Lindows, which I did
not particularly like as a distro - but DID in fact give back to the
open source community, and continues to do so (they released a very
good WYSIWYG html editor, for example - that you can get the source to
without needing to buy their product)

GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they
follow the rules.
Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code
worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply
with GPL themselves.

They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to
allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group
that's primarily what it is doing as well.

Yes, it would be nice if they stated it was based on slimserver.
Maybe they don't because some of their changes break squeezebox
compatability? Maybe not, I don't know (I doubt it if the java thing
works)

But anyway - the software is licensed under GPL, so what they are
doing at least appears to be in spirit of GPL - and what I have seen
from the CEO - his products never interest me personally, but the
companies do give back to the community.

If it works with squeezebox, a free plug would be nice to the
developers of slimserver.
That is true, and hopefully that will come.

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Marc Sherman
2005-02-26, 08:45
Michael Peters wrote:
>
> GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they
> follow the rules.
> Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code
> worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply
> with GPL themselves.
>
> They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to
> allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group
> that's primarily what it is doing as well.

This bears repeating. Not only are they not stealing, they're not even
being unethical. By choosing to release software under the GPL, Slim
Devices chose for this sort of thing to be allowed. It's the nature of
Free Software. Free Software is _not_ about anyone's right to get
software without paying for it -- it's about your rights to make
software that you already have do what you need it to do, and your
rights to redistribute those changes.

While they don't mention the GPL anywhere on their site, they are not
required to, and I'm sure that the download does contain the required
GPL notices, which inform any buyer of their rights to obtain and
redistribute the source code.

- Marc

Pbox
2005-02-28, 20:16
The point I was going to make, excatly.

However there is one more thing to note. Linspire also releases their
code under GPL. So it is a give and take.

Slimserver guys should take a note of the lsongs application.

http://mp3beamer.com/ss_lsongs-syncing.html

This would make a pretty nice itunes replacement, and could be easily
bundled with slimserver. Even if the porting needs to get done onto
Windows and OSX we are still talking about getting a gigantic bunch of
work for free.

Something to chew on, I guess.

Peter

Marc Sherman wrote:
> Michael Peters wrote:
>
>>GPL gives them the right to do what they are doing, so long as they
>>follow the rules.
>>Wether they contribute patches back or not is not necessary, any code
>>worth having will make its way back simply because they have to comply
>>with GPL themselves.
>>
>>They aren't using a stolen project, GPL was written specifically to
>>allow software to be sold. For slim it sells hardware, for this group
>>that's primarily what it is doing as well.
>
>
> This bears repeating. Not only are they not stealing, they're not even
> being unethical. By choosing to release software under the GPL, Slim
> Devices chose for this sort of thing to be allowed. It's the nature of
> Free Software. Free Software is _not_ about anyone's right to get
> software without paying for it -- it's about your rights to make
> software that you already have do what you need it to do, and your
> rights to redistribute those changes.
>
> While they don't mention the GPL anywhere on their site, they are not
> required to, and I'm sure that the download does contain the required
> GPL notices, which inform any buyer of their rights to obtain and
> redistribute the source code.
>
> - Marc
>

Michael Peters
2005-02-28, 20:52
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:16:49 -0800, Pbox <slimdev (AT) peterlada (DOT) com> wrote:
> The point I was going to make, excatly.
>
> However there is one more thing to note. Linspire also releases their
> code under GPL. So it is a give and take.
>
> Slimserver guys should take a note of the lsongs application.
>
> http://mp3beamer.com/ss_lsongs-syncing.html
>
> This would make a pretty nice itunes replacement, and could be easily
> bundled with slimserver. Even if the porting needs to get done onto
> Windows and OSX we are still talking about getting a gigantic bunch of
> work for free.

What does it use for its audio backend?
This sounds crazy - but other than mplayer (only for ripping DVD
audio, which I probably could do with gstreamer if I was willing to
play with the pipes) I personally (note the personally) refuse to use
any multimedia app for playing that does not use a gstreamer backend.
OK, sox is another exception.

The reason is because I think in many ways, LotD (my passion) is too
fragmented - there's mplayer, xine, gstreamer, and apps that use their
own. I think gstreamer is technically the best, and if focus is put
there - we can get better apps.

slimserver is different, I don't expect them to use gstreamer because
perl bindings don't exist yet (and python bindings are still fairly
new), and slimserver is expected to run on a host of operating systems
- some of which either do not have gstreamer or have it but use a
different multimedia backend.

I guess what I'm saying - I would rather see an app like Rhythmbox and
AmoroK get that functionallity than see a new app - yet another
jukebox player ... if it uses gstreamer, then I'm all for it.

GStreamer is nice because you add a plugin (which can be closed, it's
libraries are lgpl) and lots of apps now have support for the new
codec - that's the way it should be. But I guess I'm going off topic a
wee bit.

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