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Ralph Edington
2005-02-24, 16:07
Thanks for the suggestions:

-- I will try MAC filtering instead of WEP if the problem persists. I only
have two wireless devices right now, so it's no big deal.

-- That's good to know about the double-reboot. Makes me feel a little
better.

-- As far as interoperability, I don't care who's certified or not, but if
Squeezebox can't interoperate (i.e. WORK!) with a Linksys WRT54G, which is
arguably one of the more popular access points/routers, then that's a much
bigger problem -- for Slim Devices -- than my little complaint.

I'll keep plugging. If anyone has any more info, I'd sure appreciate it.

RE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of John
> Hernandez
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
>
>
> As a datapoint, you may try turning off WEP. I'm not suggesting this as
> a good long-term solution, but you might consider something like MAC
> filtering if WEP is indeed the problem with your particular setup.
>
> Ben Gladstone wrote:
> > ralph, just a thought, and i'm vague on the details, but i've seen
> > situations where two "802.11" products will not talk reliably to each
> > other
> >
> > hence the non-profit www.wi-fi.org, which created the "Wi-fi"
> > certification mark for the subset of 802.11 products that have been
> > tested as interoperable.
> >
> > if both ends of the network (perhaps all devices on it?) are not "wi-fi"
> > certified, you may have incompatible devices
> >
> > hopefully others with better knowledge can cut in at this point...
> >
> > -ben
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
> > Edington
> > Sent: 24 February 2005 21:34
> > To: Slim Devices Discussion
> > Subject: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
> >
> > Thanks. Still rebooting at random.
> >
> > My DHCP lease time is the standard Linksys 1 day. Shouldn't be a
> > factor, one would think.
> >
> > It just happened again -- rebooted. Even though IP is fixed and network
> > is hardwired to B only.
> >
> > -d_protocol log shows:
> >
> > 2005-02-24 13:30:00.8762 Got discovery request, deviceid = 2, revision
> > = 2.8, MAC = 00:04:20:05:87:b3
> > 2005-02-24 13:30:00.8763 It's a squeezebox
> > 2005-02-24 13:30:00.8763 calculated rehome length: 17
> > 2005-02-24 13:30:00.8765 sent discovery response
> >
> > Any other debugging I could set that will help?
> >
> > I will try different channels and see if that helps.
> >
> > Any help is still appreciated.
> >
> > RE
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of Jason
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:57 PM
> >>To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
> >>Subject: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
> >>
> >>
> >>Even if you don't have any offending devices in your own home, a
> >>neighbor 100 feet away could easily be causing some of these problems.
> >>
> >>One of the things you should do is try a different frequency on the
> >>access point and see if it has an impact on the problem.
> >>
> >>Also static addressing should help if your DHCP server has too short
> >>of a lease time to the squeezebox.
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
> >>>Edington
> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:38 PM
> >>>To: Slim Devices Discussion
> >>>Subject: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I would like to report my very recent bad wireless experience and
> >>>ask a question...
> >>>
> >>>I just switched over from wired mode to wireless. I bought a
> >>>Linksys WRT45G (v2.2, firmware 3.03.6) and used all the defaults.
> >>>Using WEP 128-bit. DHCP addressing. Signal strength on the sbox a
> >>>good 90%. No wireless phones in the house, and the microwave, when
> >>>on, didn't seem to cause any problems.
> >>>
> >>>After a smooth hookup and looking like it was working fine, I
> >>>immediately encountered the problem of spontaneous squeezebox
> >>>reboots. I probably saw half-dozen reboots in the first two hours.
> >
> >
> >>>I saw the problem where there were multiple back-to-back reboots,
> >>>the reconnect countdown getting to 10 before stopping and rebooting
> >>>again.
> >>>
> >>>Bummer.
> >>>
> >>>I read a lot of old threads about this problem, but I didn't see any
> >
> >
> >>>sure-fire solutions. Was there a consensus on the cause/solution of
> >
> >
> >>>this reboot problem? One thread seemed to indicate that static IP
> >>>addressing helped, but another reported that that didn't solve it.
> >>>
> >>>What's the final upshot on this problem?
> >>>
> >>>I've now set the router to B-only and static addressing in the
> >>>meantime, and it seemed to help, but I haven't ran it for that many
> >>>hours yet.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>RE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >>>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of Roy
> >>>>Owen
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:45 AM
> >>>>To: Slim Devices Discussion
> >>>>Subject: [slim] Good wireless experience
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I too would like to report a good experience with wireless
> >>>
> >>>SB. I have
> >>>
> >>>>2 wireless SB's (mind you they are on their own WAP) and have no
> >>>>interference from microwave or 'phone. In fact both of my WAP's
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>>on the default channel 6. I do not stream lossless but I do
> >
> > stream
> >
> >>>>mps with no additional compression. I can now play my mp3's or
> >>>>internet radio anywhere in my house.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:08:29 -0700, Daryle A. Tilroe
> >>>><daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Paul_Colley (AT) mapinfo (DOT) com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I stream MP3, not lossless, which obviously greatly reduces
> >>>>
> >>>>the bandwidth
> >>>>
> >>>>>>requirements. The wireless performance of my Squeezebox
> >>>>
> >>>>outperformed my
> >>>>
> >>>>>>expectations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes, it should probably be clarified and emphasized to
> >>>
> >>>the newcomers
> >>>
> >>>>>and/or lurkers on the list that the debate over wireless
> >>>
> >>>performance
> >>>
> >>>>>and suitability applies only to streaming lossless PCM audio.
> >>>>>If you stream (or convert and stream) MP3 the SB has proven
> >>>
> >>>to be quite
> >>>
> >>>>>robust. Virtually flawless in my experience.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Daryle A. Tilroe
> >>>>>

kdf
2005-02-24, 17:04
Quoting Ralph Edington <ralph (AT) edington (DOT) com>:

> Thanks for the suggestions:
>
> -- I will try MAC filtering instead of WEP if the problem persists. I only
> have two wireless devices right now, so it's no big deal.
>
> -- That's good to know about the double-reboot. Makes me feel a little
> better.
>
> -- As far as interoperability, I don't care who's certified or not, but if
> Squeezebox can't interoperate (i.e. WORK!) with a Linksys WRT54G, which is
> arguably one of the more popular access points/routers, then that's a much
> bigger problem -- for Slim Devices -- than my little complaint.
>
> I'll keep plugging. If anyone has any more info, I'd sure appreciate it.

I ran my squeezeboxen off a WRT54G using wifi-box firmware just fine for months.
I've since conected an older Dlink 802.11B ap so that the ibook can use full G
bandwidth. That's working fine too. the only exception is that if I've
unplugged teh sb for a few days then it can take a bit longer than the initial
20 second timeout to find the wireless network. I've always used 128-bit WEP,
and currently MAC filtering. If I had anything specific to offer for debugging
help, I would, but maybe this will give you hope that it CAN work.

I did have some trouble with channel conflicts with neighbours at one point.
channging channels licked that one quickly.

-kdf

Dean Wyler
2006-01-15, 15:42
This sounds like the problems alreadys discussed, but with a nuance - I have a Sqeezebox v2 and 2 Sqeezbox v3s. I can get the v2 to work with one of the v3, but as soon as I plug in the second v3, the other v3 re-boots. This is over a linksys WRT54G wireless network. (have 128 bit WEP). Have verified there is no IP address conflicts, and have tried separating the devices. Either V3 will work together with the v2, but the V3s will not work if both plugged in.

Help?