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Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int)
2005-02-22, 05:25
> True - another wall wart and bit of kit to hide
But also more mucking about to get setup.

If IT people are choosing other products due to some of these issues what
chance of non-IT people taking on SqueezeBox?

As to cost:
The cheapest SqueezeBox (wired) I can find in the Uk is 141 (inc VAT) this
is over $250. The NetGear MP101 is 80 (inc. VAT) and works with 80211.g.

I would always choose a SlimDevices product - but the two people I spoke of
did not. This makes me worried about SlimDevices, they have one product and
the competition has caught up (for the major features) and are cheaper.




-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Still [mailto:b33k34 (AT) gmail (DOT) com]
Sent: 22 February 2005 09:55
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] Why didn't they buy a SqueezeBox?


On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:43:53 -0800, Michael Peters <funkyres (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:
> As far as an 802.11g wireless to ethernet bridge, it is yet another
> component

True - another wall wart and bit of kit to hide

>- and they aren't cheap.

A very quick search shows that in the UK the difference between a
wired and wireless SB is 50 (and with the drop in the price of the
wired SB it will soon be more than that). Netgear, DLink and Linksys
G bridges are all available delivered for less than 55 so hardly
significant.

Chip Hart
2005-02-22, 07:13
Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int) wrote:
> As to cost:
> The cheapest SqueezeBox (wired) I can find in the Uk is 141 (inc VAT) this
> is over $250. The NetGear MP101 is 80 (inc. VAT) and works with 80211.g.
>
> I would always choose a SlimDevices product - but the two people I spoke of
> did not. This makes me worried about SlimDevices, they have one product and
> the competition has caught up (for the major features) and are cheaper.

As someone who has abandoned his MP101, I'd encourage you to
check out the MP101 mailing list(s)
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NetgearMP101Group/) before
purchasing one. 95% of the messages are complaints and requests
for help - the MP101 has a _very_ flaky wireless connection and
gawdawful software (replaceable, though, by Twonkyvision).

Since the night I brought it home and got it working, the
Slimserver hasn't failed me once in over a week. The MP101
would fail a few times an evening at it's best. Some people
can't get it to work at all. I had to upgrade my wireless
router just to get to work enough that my wife would even use
it. It's too bad, too, as there are a few nice features of the
MP101...but "working well" isn't one of them.



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Michael Peters
2005-02-22, 09:07
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:13:49 -0500, Chip Hart <chip (AT) pcc (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> As someone who has abandoned his MP101, I'd encourage you to
> check out the MP101 mailing list(s)
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NetgearMP101Group/) before
> purchasing one. 95% of the messages are complaints and requests
> for help - the MP101 has a _very_ flaky wireless connection and
> gawdawful software (replaceable, though, by Twonkyvision).

Te wireless to ethernet bridge I'm looking at (for my LaserJet4) is a
wet54g - cheapest price from a dealer that gets decent seller reviews
is ~ $115 (US). The other wireless to ethernet adapters I've looked at
that are cheaper have very mixed reviews with respect to stability of
the connection, and/or come from retailers that do not have a good
customer service record when a customer has to RMA a product due to a
defect.

--
http://mpeters.us/

ron thigpen
2005-02-22, 09:20
Chip Hart wrote:

>the MP101 has a _very_ flaky wireless connection and
>gawdawful software (replaceable, though, by Twonkyvision).

but not, apparently, without issues of it's own:

<http://www.twonkyvision.de/UPnP/devices.html#NetgearMP101>

<quote>
Please note - the current implementation of the Netgear MP101 can not
work with the NSLU2 version of the MediaServer, as there is a networking
problem between the TCP/IP stack of the NSLU2 and the Netgear MP101.
</quote>

--rt

Jason Temple
2005-02-22, 09:35
Does it connect to 802.11g in the same way that slimdevices claim the SB
does? i.e. it slows the whole g network down to b speeds to connect
(actually connects as a b device, not a full 54Mbps g)? I was looking
at the pdf spec sheet for the netgear product and it claims it supports
wireless network speeds of 1, 2, 5.5 and 11Mbps...sounds a lot like a b
network to me.

just my $0.02

jas

Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int) wrote:

>
> > True - another wall wart and bit of kit to hide
> But also more mucking about to get setup.
>
> If IT people are choosing other products due to some of these issues
> what chance of non-IT people taking on SqueezeBox?
>
> As to cost:
> The cheapest SqueezeBox (wired) I can find in the Uk is 141 (inc VAT)
> this is over $250. The NetGear MP101 is 80 (inc. VAT) and works with
> 80211.g.
>
> I would always choose a SlimDevices product - but the two people I
> spoke of did not. This makes me worried about SlimDevices, they have
> one product and the competition has caught up (for the major features)
> and are cheaper.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Still [mailto:b33k34 (AT) gmail (DOT) com]
> Sent: 22 February 2005 09:55
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Why didn't they buy a SqueezeBox?
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:43:53 -0800, Michael Peters
> <funkyres (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > As far as an 802.11g wireless to ethernet bridge, it is yet another
> > component
>
> True - another wall wart and bit of kit to hide
>
> >- and they aren't cheap.
>
> A very quick search shows that in the UK the difference between a
> wired and wireless SB is 50 (and with the drop in the price of the
> wired SB it will soon be more than that). Netgear, DLink and Linksys
> G bridges are all available delivered for less than 55 so hardly
> significant.
>

Chip Hart
2005-02-22, 09:36
ron thigpen wrote:
> Please note - the current implementation of the Netgear MP101 can not
> work with the NSLU2 version of the MediaServer, as there is a networking
> problem between the TCP/IP stack of the NSLU2 and the Netgear MP101.

Well, that's MP101 + NSLU2. Different from the norm by a wide
margin.

Twonkyvision, for me (and many others), turned a frustrating
experience into a "good enough and sometimes cool" experience.
Slim has turned into a "Wow, awesome!" experience.

My comments, though, were intended to serve a warning, that's
all: the MP101 _is_ less expensive (why I bought it!) and it has
some nice features not found in, say, the slimserver. But
there's little question as to which has vastly greater
reliability and service.

--
Chip Hart - Marketing * Physician's Computer Company
chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404
800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip
f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter
Your Practice Just Got Healthier