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dean
2005-02-08, 21:12
Just curious, what are the "good reasons" you're referring to? Except for
someone who does not have Web access (is there anyone?), I can't think of
any.



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From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Kevin O. Lepard
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:07 PM
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] When are we going to see live forums?



I don't really see the point in maintaining the e-mail functionality,
especially if it's complicating and delaying the browser-based forum.
Web-based forums (perhaps complemented with an RSS-feed) are where it's at
today. Who in their right minds actually wants to receive tons of e-mail of
which probably only 1% to 10% is of interest to them? I only subscribed so
I could respond to one or two threads and I now have a mail folder with
about 934 unread e-mails.



Can we take a vote? Who would like to see the browser-based forum up and
running even if it means closing down the e-mail list?



This has been talked about several times, and there are people with good
reasons for preferring both types.



However, if we're taking a "vote" I vote "no." I would rather keep the
mailing list and forgo the forums.



Kevin

--

Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

Victor Brilon
2005-02-08, 21:23
Can we *please* just kill this thread already? I am sure Dean & Sean &
Co. know how badly some people here want forums and are working on it.
That horse is dead, please quit beating it. I am sure the forums will be
ready when they're damn good and ready.

And if you want a "good" reason, here's one -- I *loathe* reading web
forums. I don't want to have to go to a site and remember to look for
new threads and such. I have a perfectly fine mail client that (gasp!)
does filtering so I don't have to see topics I am not interested in. And
if you don't like that way of handling data, fine, don't use it. But
please don't insist that I learn to process things in the same way you do.

But opinions on this obviously vary. So am I sure the Slim folks will
accommodate as many people as possible with a solution that will come
along when it's ready.

In the meantime, enough on this discussion already. Let's get back to
discussing Slim Devices.

Victor



Dean wrote:
> Just curious, what are the "good reasons" you're referring to? Except
> for someone who does not have Web access (is there anyone?), I can't
> think of any.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin O.
> Lepard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:07 PM
> *To:* Slim Devices Discussion
> *Subject:* [slim] When are we going to see live forums?
>
>
>
> I don't really see the point in maintaining the e-mail
> functionality, especially if it's complicating and delaying the
> browser-based forum. Web-based forums (perhaps complemented with an
> RSS-feed) are where it's at today. Who in their right minds
> actually wants to receive tons of e-mail of which probably only 1%
> to 10% is of interest to them? I only subscribed so I could respond
> to one or two threads and I now have a mail folder with about 934
> unread e-mails.
>
>>
>>
>> Can we take a vote? Who would like to see the browser-based forum up
>> and running even if it means closing down the e-mail list?
>>
>
>
> This has been talked about several times, and there are people with good
> reasons for preferring both types.
>
>
>
> However, if we're taking a "vote" I vote "no." I would rather keep the
> mailing list and forgo the forums.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> --
>
> Kevin O. Lepard
> kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net
>
> Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

Jack Coates
2005-02-08, 21:28
Victor Brilon wrote:
> Can we *please* just kill this thread already? I am sure Dean & Sean &
> Co. know how badly some people here want forums and are working on it.
> That horse is dead, please quit beating it. I am sure the forums will be
> ready when they're damn good and ready.
>
> And if you want a "good" reason, here's one -- I *loathe* reading web
> forums. I don't want to have to go to a site and remember to look for
> new threads and such. I have a perfectly fine mail client that (gasp!)
> does filtering so I don't have to see topics I am not interested in. And
> if you don't like that way of handling data, fine, don't use it. But
> please don't insist that I learn to process things in the same way you do.
>
> But opinions on this obviously vary. So am I sure the Slim folks will
> accommodate as many people as possible with a solution that will come
> along when it's ready.
>
> In the meantime, enough on this discussion already. Let's get back to
> discussing Slim Devices.
>
> Victor
>

It's a Necromancer! http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

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Danny Rego
2005-02-09, 06:30
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but YOU don't want to deal with data the
way THEY do...well why should THEY have to deal with data the way YOU want
to?

All I have to say is...there's a reason that REAL web-based forums are so
popular.

Danny Rego


----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Brilon" <victor (AT) victorland (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: [slim] When are we going to see live forums?


> Can we *please* just kill this thread already? I am sure Dean & Sean & Co.
> know how badly some people here want forums and are working on it. That
> horse is dead, please quit beating it. I am sure the forums will be ready
> when they're damn good and ready.
>
> And if you want a "good" reason, here's one -- I *loathe* reading web
> forums. I don't want to have to go to a site and remember to look for new
> threads and such. I have a perfectly fine mail client that (gasp!) does
> filtering so I don't have to see topics I am not interested in. And if you
> don't like that way of handling data, fine, don't use it. But please don't
> insist that I learn to process things in the same way you do.
>
> But opinions on this obviously vary. So am I sure the Slim folks will
> accommodate as many people as possible with a solution that will come
> along when it's ready.
>
> In the meantime, enough on this discussion already. Let's get back to
> discussing Slim Devices.
>
> Victor
>
>
>
> Dean wrote:
>> Just curious, what are the "good reasons" you're referring to? Except
>> for someone who does not have Web access (is there anyone?), I can't
>> think of any.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin O.
>> Lepard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:07 PM
>> *To:* Slim Devices Discussion
>> *Subject:* [slim] When are we going to see live forums?
>>
>> I don't really see the point in maintaining the e-mail
>> functionality, especially if it's complicating and delaying the
>> browser-based forum. Web-based forums (perhaps complemented with an
>> RSS-feed) are where it's at today. Who in their right minds
>> actually wants to receive tons of e-mail of which probably only 1%
>> to 10% is of interest to them? I only subscribed so I could respond
>> to one or two threads and I now have a mail folder with about 934
>> unread e-mails.
>>>
>>> Can we take a vote? Who would like to see the browser-based forum up
>>> and running even if it means closing down the e-mail list?
>>>
>> This has been talked about several times, and there are people with good
>> reasons for preferring both types.
>>
>> However, if we're taking a "vote" I vote "no." I would rather keep the
>> mailing list and forgo the forums.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kevin O. Lepard
>> kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net
>>
>> Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>

Marc Sherman
2005-02-09, 06:39
Danny Rego wrote:
> I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but YOU don't want to deal with
> data the way THEY do...well why should THEY have to deal with data
> the way YOU want to?
>
> All I have to say is...there's a reason that REAL web-based forums
> are so popular.

It's worth noting that web forums are popular among a very different
demographic than mailing lists. And the mailing list demographic has a
much stronger correlation with the experienced linux/perl hacker
demographic -- exactly the people who are most valued on this list.

If this list were to change to a web-only interface, I know I wouldn't
participate, and I suspect many others would stop as well.

Please note that I'm not trying to imply any strong correlation between
the first and second paragraphs -- I know I'm not one of the most valued
members of this list, but I suspect that many of those who are would
abandon the community if it were to abandon their interface of choice.

- Marc

Danny Rego
2005-02-09, 07:26
> It's worth noting that web forums are popular among a very different
> demographic than mailing lists. And the mailing list demographic has a
> much stronger correlation with the experienced linux/perl hacker
> demographic -- exactly the people who are most valued on this list.

Linux/perl hacker types don't use web-based forums? They must be very
lonely on the world wide web.

> If this list were to change to a web-only interface, I know I wouldn't
> participate, and I suspect many others would stop as well.

You wouldn't, but others would.

> Please note that I'm not trying to imply any strong correlation between
> the first and second paragraphs -- I know I'm not one of the most valued
> members of this list, but I suspect that many of those who are would
> abandon the community if it were to abandon their interface of choice.

Some would abandon the community, and some would now embrace it...so it's a
wash in my opinion.

....anyways...I just thought I'd share a few thoughts. (Not trying to be
religious here...just DISCUSSING. I would prefer a web based forum, but am
perfectly fine with the mailing list for my particular needs)

Danny Rego

Geoff Bonallack
2005-02-09, 07:42
This has been SO done to death. At least twice. It seems to me that
it's been well established that a forum / email gateway combination is
no problem, and solves the issue all around.
The archives are available for reading; perhaps it is worth your going
through these. Certainly nothing new is being added to the discussion
here.

Regards
Geoff

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:26:08 -0500, Danny Rego <danny (AT) rego (DOT) com> wrote:
> > It's worth noting that web forums are popular among a very different
> > demographic than mailing lists. And the mailing list demographic has a
> > much stronger correlation with the experienced linux/perl hacker
> > demographic -- exactly the people who are most valued on this list.
>
> Linux/perl hacker types don't use web-based forums? They must be very
> lonely on the world wide web.
>
> > If this list were to change to a web-only interface, I know I wouldn't
> > participate, and I suspect many others would stop as well.
>
> You wouldn't, but others would.
>
> > Please note that I'm not trying to imply any strong correlation between
> > the first and second paragraphs -- I know I'm not one of the most valued
> > members of this list, but I suspect that many of those who are would
> > abandon the community if it were to abandon their interface of choice.
>
> Some would abandon the community, and some would now embrace it...so it's a
> wash in my opinion.
>
> ...anyways...I just thought I'd share a few thoughts. (Not trying to be
> religious here...just DISCUSSING. I would prefer a web based forum, but am
> perfectly fine with the mailing list for my particular needs)
>
> Danny Rego
>
>
>

JJ
2005-02-09, 19:30
If it takes this kind of gentle reminder to the folks at Slim Devices that
forums are badly overdue, then by all means this thread and more to follow
are very welcome by myself and (apparently) many others.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Brilon" <victor (AT) victorland (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: [slim] When are we going to see live forums?


> Can we *please* just kill this thread already? I am sure Dean & Sean &
> Co. know how badly some people here want forums and are working on it.
> That horse is dead, please quit beating it. I am sure the forums will be
> ready when they're damn good and ready.
>
> And if you want a "good" reason, here's one -- I *loathe* reading web
> forums. I don't want to have to go to a site and remember to look for
> new threads and such. I have a perfectly fine mail client that (gasp!)
> does filtering so I don't have to see topics I am not interested in. And
> if you don't like that way of handling data, fine, don't use it. But
> please don't insist that I learn to process things in the same way you
> do.
>
> But opinions on this obviously vary. So am I sure the Slim folks will
> accommodate as many people as possible with a solution that will come
> along when it's ready.
>
> In the meantime, enough on this discussion already. Let's get back to
> discussing Slim Devices.

Steve
2005-02-10, 03:41
I use a gmail account and get the best of both worlds. Email and a
threaded list of discussions - much neater.

I have some invites if anyone wants one

Steve


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:30:04 -0700, JJ <jj (AT) zolx (DOT) com> wrote:
> If it takes this kind of gentle reminder to the folks at Slim Devices that
> forums are badly overdue, then by all means this thread and more to follow
> are very welcome by myself and (apparently) many others.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Brilon" <victor (AT) victorland (DOT) com>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:23 PM
> Subject: [slim] When are we going to see live forums?
>
> > Can we *please* just kill this thread already? I am sure Dean & Sean &
> > Co. know how badly some people here want forums and are working on it.
> > That horse is dead, please quit beating it. I am sure the forums will be
> > ready when they're damn good and ready.
> >
> > And if you want a "good" reason, here's one -- I *loathe* reading web
> > forums. I don't want to have to go to a site and remember to look for
> > new threads and such. I have a perfectly fine mail client that (gasp!)
> > does filtering so I don't have to see topics I am not interested in. And
> > if you don't like that way of handling data, fine, don't use it. But
> > please don't insist that I learn to process things in the same way you
> > do.
> >
> > But opinions on this obviously vary. So am I sure the Slim folks will
> > accommodate as many people as possible with a solution that will come
> > along when it's ready.
> >
> > In the meantime, enough on this discussion already. Let's get back to
> > discussing Slim Devices.
>
>

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jonas_Nordstr=F6m?=
2005-02-10, 05:40
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:41:31 +0000, Steve <stevekdavis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> I use a gmail account and get the best of both worlds. Email and a
> threaded list of discussions - much neater.
>
> I have some invites if anyone wants one
>
> Steve

And if Steves invites aren't enough, I have 50 more ...
--
Jonas Nordström

James S Stubbs
2005-02-10, 14:11
Steve wrote:

>I use a gmail account and get the best of both worlds. Email and a
>threaded list of discussions - much neater.
>
>I have some invites if anyone wants one
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
Yes Please.

Best wishes.

James

stubbsjuk at yahoo dot co dot uk