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Neil Cameron
2005-02-02, 07:31
I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that kills
Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers and in
iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play it via
Softsqueeze - why would that be?

--
Neil

Jack Coates
2005-02-02, 11:24
Neil Cameron wrote:
> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that kills
> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers and in
> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play it via
> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>

It's actually not on the eponymous disc, it's track 3 on Poses :)

Plays fine through Softsqueeze here:

Title: Poses
Artist: Rufus Wainwright
Album: Poses
Genre: Folk-Rock
Track: 3
File Format: MP3
Duration: 5:02
Year: 2001
File Length: 7,264,742 Bytes
Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
ID3 Tag Version: ID3v1.1 / ID3v2.3.0
Date Modified: Monday, August 30, 2004, 6:04:39 PM
Location:
file:///mnt/music/Rufus_Wainwright/Poses/03_-_Rufus_Wainwright_-_Poses_-_Poses.mp3

What format are you using?

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Neil Cameron
2005-02-02, 12:11
Sorry to be pedantic, but it is eponymous, which means "the same name as" in
Greek - in this case I meant the same name as the album.

--
Neil


"Jack Coates" <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org> wrote in
message news:42011AC7.9060209 (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org...
> Neil Cameron wrote:
>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that kills
>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers and
>> in iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play
>> it via Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>
>
> It's actually not on the eponymous disc, it's track 3 on Poses :)
>
> Plays fine through Softsqueeze here:
>
> Title: Poses
> Artist: Rufus Wainwright
> Album: Poses
> Genre: Folk-Rock
> Track: 3
> File Format: MP3
> Duration: 5:02
> Year: 2001
> File Length: 7,264,742 Bytes
> Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
> ID3 Tag Version: ID3v1.1 / ID3v2.3.0
> Date Modified: Monday, August 30, 2004, 6:04:39 PM
> Location:
> file:///mnt/music/Rufus_Wainwright/Poses/03_-_Rufus_Wainwright_-_Poses_-_Poses.mp3
>
> What format are you using?
>
> --
> Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
> Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Ian Whalley
2005-02-02, 12:31
>>>I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous
>>>CD [...]
>>It's actually not on the eponymous disc, it's track 3
>>on Poses :)
>>[...]
>>Title: Poses
>>Artist: Rufus Wainwright
>>Album: Poses
>Sorry to be pedantic, but it is eponymous, which means "the
>same name as" in Greek - in this case I meant the same name
>as the album.

However, the word "eponymous" is typically only used to
refer to the situation where something is named after a
person (or a God, I suppose -- "Saturn" [the planet] is
eponymously named for "Saturn" [the God]). Here, however,
it's a thing (the album) giving its name to another thing
(the track)...

But this is as nothing to the main point :).

Best;

inw

--
Ian Whalley <first name> @ <last name> . org

rtitmuss
2005-02-02, 13:15
Neil,

What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
crash on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you
are not using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest
version. This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this
version they claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also
have the option of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from
Sun, this uses less cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported
with this decoder.

Regards,
Richard


On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:

> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
> kills
> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers
> and in
> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play
> it via
> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>
> --
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

Neil Cameron
2005-02-02, 13:27
I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?

--
Neil


"Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
wrote in message news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
> Neil,
>
> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can crash
> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you are not
> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest version.
> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version they
> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the option
> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses less
> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this decoder.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that kills
>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers and
>> in
>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play it
>> via
>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>
>> --
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

rtitmuss
2005-02-02, 13:47
Have you tried installing the Java MP3 Plugin from Sun? If you have
tried both java mp3 decoders then mp3 file may be broken?

Regards,
Richard


On 2 Feb 2005, at 20:27, Neil Cameron wrote:

> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?
>
> --
> Neil
>
>
> "Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>> Neil,
>>
>> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
>> crash
>> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you are
>> not
>> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest version.
>> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version
>> they
>> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the
>> option
>> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses
>> less
>> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this decoder.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>
>>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
>>> kills
>>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers
>>> and
>>> in
>>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to
>>> play it
>>> via
>>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Neil Cameron
2005-02-02, 14:09
I think I did - how do I check?
The MP3 file\ plays OK with iTunes and Squeezeboxes....

--
Neil


"Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
wrote in message news:9D7CF36A-755B-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
> Have you tried installing the Java MP3 Plugin from Sun? If you have tried
> both java mp3 decoders then mp3 file may be broken?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2005, at 20:27, Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?
>>
>> --
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Richard Titmuss"
>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>> wrote in message
>> news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
>>> crash
>>> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you are
>>> not
>>> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest version.
>>> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version they
>>> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the
>>> option
>>> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses less
>>> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this decoder.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
>>>> kills
>>>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers and
>>>> in
>>>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play
>>>> it
>>>> via
>>>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

rtitmuss
2005-02-02, 14:23
Enable the javasound debug in the Softsqueeze preferences. Play the
track, then look in the Softsqueeze console. The mp3 decoder used will
be in the output. Then try changing the decoder in the audio tab, and
see if the other decoder will work with this file.

Regards,
Richard


On 2 Feb 2005, at 21:09, Neil Cameron wrote:

> I think I did - how do I check?
> The MP3 file\ plays OK with iTunes and Squeezeboxes....
>
> --
> Neil
>
>
> "Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:9D7CF36A-755B-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>> Have you tried installing the Java MP3 Plugin from Sun? If you have
>> tried
>> both java mp3 decoders then mp3 file may be broken?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 20:27, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>
>>> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Richard Titmuss"
>>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>>> Neil,
>>>>
>>>> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
>>>> crash
>>>> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you
>>>> are
>>>> not
>>>> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest
>>>> version.
>>>> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version
>>>> they
>>>> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the
>>>> option
>>>> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses
>>>> less
>>>> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this
>>>> decoder.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
>>>>> kills
>>>>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on
>>>>> SlimServers and
>>>>> in
>>>>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to
>>>>> play
>>>>> it
>>>>> via
>>>>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

ron thigpen
2005-02-02, 14:30
re-encode the song using slighty different encoder settings (or
different encoder). it's not the "song" per se thats likely to be
horking the decoder, it's some specific bit pattern that gets stuck in
it's craw. this bit pattern appears to be rather rare, so simple
probability would predict that this pattern won't appear in an arbitrary
re-encoding.

also consider that the "song" file includes not just compressed audio
data, but also tag data. you might try cleaning/purging the tags and
see whether that resolves this.

--rt

Neil Cameron wrote:
> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?

Neil Cameron
2005-02-02, 15:24
Fascinating. It will work with JLayer, but not with the other one - Java
MP3 or whatever. Weird. Is that the fix?

--
Neil


"Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
wrote in message news:B329C740-7560-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
> Enable the javasound debug in the Softsqueeze preferences. Play the track,
> then look in the Softsqueeze console. The mp3 decoder used will be in the
> output. Then try changing the decoder in the audio tab, and see if the
> other decoder will work with this file.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2005, at 21:09, Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>> I think I did - how do I check?
>> The MP3 file\ plays OK with iTunes and Squeezeboxes....
>>
>> --
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Richard Titmuss"
>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>> wrote in message
>> news:9D7CF36A-755B-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>> Have you tried installing the Java MP3 Plugin from Sun? If you have
>>> tried
>>> both java mp3 decoders then mp3 file may be broken?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 20:27, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Titmuss"
>>>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>>>> Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
>>>>> crash
>>>>> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you are
>>>>> not
>>>>> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest version.
>>>>> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version
>>>>> they
>>>>> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the
>>>>> option
>>>>> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses
>>>>> less
>>>>> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this decoder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
>>>>>> kills
>>>>>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Neil Cameron
2005-02-03, 01:01
And are both decoders as good as each other?

--
Neil


"Richard Titmuss" <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
wrote in message news:B329C740-7560-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
> Enable the javasound debug in the Softsqueeze preferences. Play the track,
> then look in the Softsqueeze console. The mp3 decoder used will be in the
> output. Then try changing the decoder in the audio tab, and see if the
> other decoder will work with this file.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
> On 2 Feb 2005, at 21:09, Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>> I think I did - how do I check?
>> The MP3 file\ plays OK with iTunes and Squeezeboxes....
>>
>> --
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Richard Titmuss"
>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>> wrote in message
>> news:9D7CF36A-755B-11D9-8E5A-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>> Have you tried installing the Java MP3 Plugin from Sun? If you have
>>> tried
>>> both java mp3 decoders then mp3 file may be broken?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 20:27, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have 1.15 unfortunately - any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Titmuss"
>>>> <richard_titmuss (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:2C4E323E-7557-11D9-82FC-000D936B0482 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk...
>>>>> Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>> What version of Softsqueeze are you using? The Java mp3 decoder can
>>>>> crash
>>>>> on some tracks (this is only the fourth I know of so far). If you are
>>>>> not
>>>>> using Softsqueeze 1.14 or earlier try upgrading to the latest version.
>>>>> This has a newer version of the JLayer mp3 decoder, in this version
>>>>> they
>>>>> claim to have fixed some decoding problems. You will also have the
>>>>> option
>>>>> of installing and using the new Java MP3 Plugin from Sun, this uses
>>>>> less
>>>>> cpu and so far I have not had any problems reported with this decoder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Feb 2005, at 14:31, Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one song - Poses from Rufus Wainwright's eponymous CD - that
>>>>>> kills
>>>>>> Softsqueeze evey time I try to play it. It plays OK on SlimServers
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> iTunes; but it sends javaw.exe up to 99% CPU every time I try to play
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> Softsqueeze - why would that be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

rtitmuss
2005-02-06, 14:36
Neil Cameron wrote:

>And are both decoders as good as each other?
>
>
The differences in the decoders are discussed here (the useful posts are
about half way down the page, posted by borners and javazoom):

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/jonathansimon/archive/2004/11/suns_mp3_plugin.html

What version of the slimserver are you having this problem with?

Regards,
Richard