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Gary & Sarah Marshall
2005-01-30, 14:21
New to this, so dumb question I imagine: how do I play downloaded music files on my squeezebox? Is there a problem using Napster, and if so, where/how do I get files which I can play.

Roy Owen
2005-01-31, 05:25
You need to download the SlimServer from the Slim Devices website.
Then use iTunes, MusicMatch, or Winamp to create playlists. OR you
can use the SlimServer web interface to create and manage playlists of
your MP3's. Personally I rip all my CD's to MP3. However there was a
thread a while back on where to get MP3's. Go to
http://forums.slimdevices.com to find the forums and search the
discuss forum to find the proper thread.


On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:21:08 -0000, Gary & Sarah Marshall
<altandhu (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> New to this, so dumb question I imagine: how do I play downloaded music
> files on my squeezebox? Is there a problem using Napster, and if so,
> where/how do I get files which I can play.
>

Gary & Sarah Marshall
2005-01-31, 16:21
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have downloaded SlimServer, and I
have used iTunes (and Napster) to buy tracks. I can play the bought tracks
on my computer, but can't transfer them to the squeezebox - message is along
the lines of the files being protected. I have ripped tracks from CD and
those are working fine: it's the downloaded files I am having a problem
with. Any ideas?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Owen" <yddraig (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: [slim] mp3 files


> You need to download the SlimServer from the Slim Devices website.
> Then use iTunes, MusicMatch, or Winamp to create playlists. OR you
> can use the SlimServer web interface to create and manage playlists of
> your MP3's. Personally I rip all my CD's to MP3. However there was a
> thread a while back on where to get MP3's. Go to
> http://forums.slimdevices.com to find the forums and search the
> discuss forum to find the proper thread.
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:21:08 -0000, Gary & Sarah Marshall
> <altandhu (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>> New to this, so dumb question I imagine: how do I play downloaded music
>> files on my squeezebox? Is there a problem using Napster, and if so,
>> where/how do I get files which I can play.
>>

kdf
2005-01-31, 16:30
Quoting Gary & Sarah Marshall <altandhu (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com>:

> Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have downloaded SlimServer, and I
> have used iTunes (and Napster) to buy tracks. I can play the bought tracks
> on my computer, but can't transfer them to the squeezebox - message is along
> the lines of the files being protected. I have ripped tracks from CD and
> those are working fine: it's the downloaded files I am having a problem
> with. Any ideas?


Any tracks that you purchase from ITunes Music Store and Napster are crippled
with Digital Rights Management, meaning you can only play those files on the
computer used to purchase the files, or some limited set beyond that. In the
case if iTunes, this includes ONLY Apple hardware, since Apple does not license
their DRM for third parties.

To use these tracks on slimserver, you mu burn them to an Audio CD, then rip
them from the CD to your hard drive. For iTunes downloads, specifically, you
can look into programs like Hymn, or jHymn which try to remove the DRM
information, but can cause the files to be subsequently unplayable in iTunes or
on an IPOD when Apple specifically blocks Hymn-effected tracks.

-kdf

Kevin O. Lepard
2005-01-31, 17:22
> > I can play the bought tracks
> > on my computer, but can't transfer them to the squeezebox -
>message is along
> > the lines of the files being protected.

That's correct; they are protected with the ever-annoying DRM
(Digital Rights Management).

>Any tracks that you purchase from ITunes Music Store and Napster are crippled
>with Digital Rights Management....this includes ONLY Apple hardware

This is not quite accurate. You can play these files on any
"authorized" computer with iTunes, so they are playable on both Macs
and PCs under Windows, as well as iPods that are attached to either a
Mac or Windows PC equipped with iTunes.

>To use these tracks on slimserver, you mu burn them to an Audio CD, then rip
>them from the CD to your hard drive.

This works well, but there is a theoretical loss of quality doing so,
since you are transcoding from one compressed format to another. I
haven't found this to be a real-world problem, but many people do. I
suggest you just try it.

My strategy for doing this is to burn them to a CD-RW in iTunes, and
then--without removing the newly burned disk--import the tracks with
iTunes (or via iTunes-LAME). This lets you get them re-imported with
tags intact.

>Hymn, or jHymn which try to remove the DRM information, but can
>cause the files to be subsequently unplayable in iTunes or on an
>IPOD when Apple specifically blocks Hymn-effected tracks.

See http://www.hymn-project.org

This isn't quite a complete answer. Hymn and JHymn do try to remove
the DRM from the files. The original files (ending in .m4p) can be
retained and there should be no problems playing those in iTunes,
ever.

The unprotected (.m4a) files may be problematic, in iTunes/iPods, but
ONLY iTunes/iPods. And there isn't really a good reason to need an
unprotected .m4a file in that setting, since your original .m4p files
should work in that setting.

If you you remove the DRM from the .m4p files and they work in your
other applications (e.g., Slimserver) you should be fine. Changes
Apple makes to iTunes and their DRM, that will not effect your
ability to use the un-DRMed files in your other applications.

And, of course, the game between modifing DRM and removing it is
ongoing, with each iteration producing a response from the other side.

Never thought I'd have anything to add to a kdf post. :-)

I can't speak to Napster because I've never used it.

Kevin
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Kevin O. Lepard
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Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

kdf
2005-01-31, 18:04
Quoting "Kevin O. Lepard" <kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net>:


> Never thought I'd have anything to add to a kdf post. :-)

Feel Free to keep doing so. I shortcut a lot on this, because I have little
motivation for putting effort into explaining DRM, aside from saying "don't do
that" ;)

If I can't buy a single track free and clear or restrictions, then I'll wait and
see. If the other tracks on the album are worth it, I'll by the CD and rip to
FLAC (EAC takes care of just about any 'broken' CDs). If the rest of the album
is crap, they dont get my money. The last dozen or so CD's I've purchased have
never seen the inside of a CD Player, and only once a CDROM drive.

and as Kevin said...if you use Hymn and still want to use the song with
iTunes/Ipod, keep the original files :)

-kdf

Kevin O. Lepard
2005-01-31, 19:33
> > Never thought I'd have anything to add to a kdf post. :-)

>Feel Free to keep doing so. I shortcut a lot on this, because I have little
>motivation for putting effort into explaining DRM, aside from saying "don't do
>that" ;)

Agreed. DRM is not in the best interest of honest consumers. Nor
does it impede the dishonest ones.

I generally just buy the CD, too. Not only can I later rerip to the
newest super-wonderful lossless MP84 codec that makes them 1% of
their original size, but I have a physical backup, too. I'm old
enough now that most of the singles that I want are on the numerous
compilation albums floating around out there at bargin bin prices.

A good source for a lot of losslessly encoded (FLAC) DRM-free files
is allofmp3.com. I don't know the details or legitimacy of their
licensing or the quality of their ripping and encoding, however.

>The last dozen or so CD's I've purchased have never seen the inside
>of a CD Player, and only once a CDROM drive.

Well, just the CD player in the car on the drive back from the store. :-)

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

Damon Riley
2005-02-01, 11:37
This DRM stuff is such a waste of time that I am flabbergasted. I would
guess that DRM might be handy for keeping extremely stupid people from
stealing corporate secrets, but honestly, for any other purpose it seems
so beside the point. The ONLY people benefitting are the people that
sell DRM 'solutions!'

I'm the guy that started the "where to buy music" thread, and the upshot
seems to be that you should buy CDs and rip them yourself. In doing
this, you get the benefits of a back-up copy plus it's legal. There are
some legal sites without DRM, but they have limited selections of the
most popular recordings. I didn't hear from anyone who liked DRM or who
thought it protected their rights.

I used to buy vinyl albums and record them to cassette tape. The vinyl
got put into a box and I played the tape until it wore out. My reason
was to protect the relatively-delicate vinyl from the ravages of the
needle and to have it as a back-up. The more things change, the more
they stay the same, I guess.

-- Damon

Kevin O. Lepard wrote:
>> > Never thought I'd have anything to add to a kdf post. :-)
>
>
>> Feel Free to keep doing so. I shortcut a lot on this, because I have
>> little
>> motivation for putting effort into explaining DRM, aside from saying
>> "don't do
>> that" ;)
>
>
> Agreed. DRM is not in the best interest of honest consumers. Nor does
> it impede the dishonest ones.
>
> I generally just buy the CD, too. Not only can I later rerip to the
> newest super-wonderful lossless MP84 codec that makes them 1% of their
> original size, but I have a physical backup, too. I'm old enough now
> that most of the singles that I want are on the numerous compilation
> albums floating around out there at bargin bin prices.
>
> A good source for a lot of losslessly encoded (FLAC) DRM-free files is
> allofmp3.com. I don't know the details or legitimacy of their licensing
> or the quality of their ripping and encoding, however.
>
>> The last dozen or so CD's I've purchased have never seen the inside of
>> a CD Player, and only once a CDROM drive.
>
>
> Well, just the CD player in the car on the drive back from the store. :-)
>
> Kevin

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Daniel Cohen
2005-02-03, 01:57
On 31/1/05 at 3:30 pm -0800, kdf wrote
>To use these tracks on slimserver, you mu burn them to an Audio CD, then rip
>them from the CD to your hard drive.

Or use a program that hijacks audio that's playing.

Or (with some CD burning programs) "burn" them to a disk image and
then rip from the disk image. I've not tried this, but it should work.
--
Daniel Cohen

Paul Miller
2005-02-03, 16:13
Story about Michael Robertson starting a DRM free MP3 site:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02/03/mp3tunes/index.php

Problem likely to be lack of decent content, as ever, but at least he
comes from the right perspective. Emusic would be better if it went
pay per song again, I think.

Until then, CDs and ripping are far and away the best solution. I
must stop buying things of itunes after a glass or two of wine....

--
Paul
Glasgow, UK