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Neil Sleightholm
2005-01-25, 00:36
Has anyone else noticed that AlienBBC can no longer find any streams on
the BBC site? The "Listen again" option displays "No Items!" and
although "BBC Live" shows items you get a "No stream" error.

I guess this is the problem with parsing a web site - we are at the
mercy of the website changing.

Neil

kdf
2005-01-25, 00:43
Quoting Neil Sleightholm <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:

> Has anyone else noticed that AlienBBC can no longer find any streams on
> the BBC site? The "Listen again" option displays "No Items!" and
> although "BBC Live" shows items you get a "No stream" error.
>
> I guess this is the problem with parsing a web site - we are at the
> mercy of the website changing.
yup.
see earlier posts from today, about the relaunch of BBC's Radio website.
-kdf

Neil Sleightholm
2005-01-25, 02:07
I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm reading
on gmane if that makes a difference.

Neil

kdf wrote:

> Quoting Neil Sleightholm
> <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed that AlienBBC can no longer find any
> > streams on the BBC site? The "Listen again" option displays "No
> > Items!" and although "BBC Live" shows items you get a "No stream"
> > error.
> >
> > I guess this is the problem with parsing a web site - we are at the
> > mercy of the website changing.
> yup.
> see earlier posts from today, about the relaunch of BBC's Radio
> website. -kdf

kdf
2005-01-25, 02:29
Quoting Neil Sleightholm <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:

> I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm reading
> on gmane if that makes a difference.
>
> Neil

Thread subject was BBC Changes and AlienBBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/01_january/24/player.shtml

for future reference, there is also a Beta of the Forums at:
http://forums.slimdevices.com

This list is searchable from there.

-kdf

Jules Taplin
2005-01-25, 02:56
Hehe.

Right. I'm calling 'Not My Fault' on this one. From the BBC Site:

'Sorry. Audio on demand services are currently unavailable whilst we
update the Radio Player. Please come back after 17:00 GMT on 25/01/2005
when normal service should resume.'

Although, obviously, unless we're very lucky... we'll probably have to
fix AlienBBC after they're finished.


-- Jules


kdf wrote:

>Quoting Neil Sleightholm <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:
>
>
>
>>I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm reading
>>on gmane if that makes a difference.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>
>Thread subject was BBC Changes and AlienBBC:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/01_january/24/player.shtml
>
>for future reference, there is also a Beta of the Forums at:
>http://forums.slimdevices.com
>
>This list is searchable from there.
>
>-kdf
>

Jules Taplin
2005-01-25, 10:34
Arrrgh.

Right. The BBC player is back... and at the very least... they've
started using frames, which throws off the parser.

So... as of right now, at least the 'Listen Again' and 'Local Radio'
sections are broken, and 'BBC Live' has changed it's behaviour.

I'll see if I can fix it up.


-- Jules




Jules Taplin wrote:

> Hehe.
>
> Right. I'm calling 'Not My Fault' on this one. From the BBC Site:
>
> 'Sorry. Audio on demand services are currently unavailable whilst we
> update the Radio Player. Please come back after 17:00 GMT on
> 25/01/2005 when normal service should resume.'
>
> Although, obviously, unless we're very lucky... we'll probably have to
> fix AlienBBC after they're finished.
>
>
> -- Jules
>
>
> kdf wrote:
>
>> Quoting Neil Sleightholm <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm reading
>>> on gmane if that makes a difference.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thread subject was BBC Changes and AlienBBC:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/01_january/24/player.shtml
>>
>>
>> for future reference, there is also a Beta of the Forums at:
>> http://forums.slimdevices.com
>>
>> This list is searchable from there.
>>
>> -kdf
>>

Neil Sleightholm
2005-01-25, 11:18
Jules

You have probably already spotted this but if you go to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index_noframes.shtml the page looks much
easier to parse.

Neil

Jules Taplin wrote:

> Arrrgh.
>
> Right. The BBC player is back... and at the very least... they've
> started using frames, which throws off the parser.
>
> So... as of right now, at least the 'Listen Again' and 'Local Radio'
> sections are broken, and 'BBC Live' has changed it's behaviour.
>
> I'll see if I can fix it up.
>
>
> -- Jules
>
>
>
>
> Jules Taplin wrote:
>
> > Hehe.
> >
> > Right. I'm calling 'Not My Fault' on this one. From the BBC Site:
> >
> > 'Sorry. Audio on demand services are currently unavailable whilst
> > we update the Radio Player. Please come back after 17:00 GMT on
> > 25/01/2005 when normal service should resume.'
> >
> > Although, obviously, unless we're very lucky... we'll probably have
> > to fix AlienBBC after they're finished.
> >
> >
> > -- Jules
> >
> >
> > kdf wrote:
> >
> >> Quoting Neil Sleightholm
> <neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:
> > >
> >>
> > >
> >>> I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm
> reading >>> on gmane if that makes a difference.
> > > >
> >>> Neil
> >>>
> > >
> > >
> >> Thread subject was BBC Changes and AlienBBC:
> >>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/01_january
> /24/player.shtml
> > >
> > >
> >> for future reference, there is also a Beta of the Forums at:
> >> http://forums.slimdevices.com
> > >
> >> This list is searchable from there.
> > >
> >> -kdf
> >>

Jules Taplin
2005-01-25, 11:38
Hey Neil.

Yes... have spotted it, and you're right. Sadly.... that's about all
that's good about it. To be specific... it's the only page of it's type
- if you descend further... you get pages thrown from the framed-version.

Worse than that... because they are thrown by the script in a funny
way... then many of the links in them now fail (looks like the pages now
use an unholy mix of relative and absolute URLs).

So... looks like I'm heading around in circles, and I'm going to end up
parsing the framed pages instead. Which will probably require an
intermediate parser to work out what the useful page of the frameset is
called to retrieve that.

I was all set to give the BBC a big thumbs up for catering for
accessability requirements extremely well... but I think they've
actually cocked it up rather badly. If you end up going down the 'make
it simple' route... it will just fail randomly for you :(

-- Jules


Neil Sleightholm wrote:

>Jules
>
>You have probably already spotted this but if you go to
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index_noframes.shtml the page looks much
>easier to parse.
>
>Neil
>
>Jules Taplin wrote:
>
>
>
>>Arrrgh.
>>
>>Right. The BBC player is back... and at the very least... they've
>>started using frames, which throws off the parser.
>>
>>So... as of right now, at least the 'Listen Again' and 'Local Radio'
>>sections are broken, and 'BBC Live' has changed it's behaviour.
>>
>>I'll see if I can fix it up.
>>
>>
>>-- Jules
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Jules Taplin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hehe.
>>>
>>>Right. I'm calling 'Not My Fault' on this one. From the BBC Site:
>>>
>>>'Sorry. Audio on demand services are currently unavailable whilst
>>>we update the Radio Player. Please come back after 17:00 GMT on
>>>25/01/2005 when normal service should resume.'
>>>
>>>Although, obviously, unless we're very lucky... we'll probably have
>>>to fix AlienBBC after they're finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Jules
>>>
>>>
>>>kdf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Quoting Neil Sleightholm
>>>>
>>>>
>><neil (AT) x2systems (DOT) com>:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I missed that discussion and can't find it on this forum - I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>reading >>> on gmane if that makes a difference.
>>
>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Thread subject was BBC Changes and AlienBBC:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/01_january
>>/24/player.shtml
>>
>>
>>>>for future reference, there is also a Beta of the Forums at:
>>>>http://forums.slimdevices.com
>>>>
>>>>This list is searchable from there.
>>>>
>>>>-kdf
>>>>

Marc Sherman
2005-01-25, 11:40
Jules Taplin wrote:
>
> I was all set to give the BBC a big thumbs up for catering for
> accessability requirements extremely well... but I think they've
> actually cocked it up rather badly. If you end up going down the 'make
> it simple' route... it will just fail randomly for you :(

Have you been in contact with them at all? They seem to have a dev team
working on this, and if you point them at the userbase you've got here,
you might just be surprised at how accommodating they might be. Perhaps. :)

Who knows, they might just put up an XML index of streams for you!

- Marc

Jules Taplin
2005-01-25, 11:54
Hehe Marc.

No... we've had no contact with the BBC. To be honest... I'm not at all
sure that fixing my problems are a sensible priority for them.

To be honest... I'm mostly disappointed that their revamp has taken the
direction it has. From an accessability perspective, it's even less
obvious how to navigate it than the old one, from what I can see.
Certainly.... if you're blind or partially sighted, and reliant on a
screen reader to get to programming (and you'd think Radio programming
would be a core service for those groups), then the player interface is
a very long way off what you'd like to use (links that are usefully
named things like 'Mon', and reliant on the context on the page to
identify what programme it is - multiple nesting of framed pages). It's
an accessability nightmare.

Oh well. I'll get it parsed, never fear ;)


-- Jules


Marc Sherman wrote:

> Jules Taplin wrote:
>
>>
>> I was all set to give the BBC a big thumbs up for catering for
>> accessability requirements extremely well... but I think they've
>> actually cocked it up rather badly. If you end up going down the
>> 'make it simple' route... it will just fail randomly for you :(
>
>
> Have you been in contact with them at all? They seem to have a dev
> team working on this, and if you point them at the userbase you've got
> here, you might just be surprised at how accommodating they might be.
> Perhaps. :)
>
> Who knows, they might just put up an XML index of streams for you!
>
> - Marc
>