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Dave Owen
2005-01-24, 18:20
> Personally, I agree with the philosophy of the guys behind HYMN. I am
not a
> pirate (I pay for my music), but I believe that DRM makes the
unwitting
> consumer a conscript to the industry's cause of eroding our
traditional
> copyright laws.

We (as a group) represent a terrific real-world example of why DRM is a
bad thing for consumers. We all bought our Slim Devices players so that
we could listen to our music more easily, and we all use (or have
considered using) iTunes to purchase our music more easily, but DRM
makes it impossible (without Hymn and other workarounds) to listen to
the music we've purchased on the listening device we've purchased. It's
almost as if the record companies would rather we reject online music
purchasing and go back to purchasing CDs. Imagine that.

You might as well give me a cup to hold my lemonade and an ice cube to
make it cold, but make the ice cube twice the size of the cup.

Okay, that's a terrible analogy. But I'm thirsty. ;)

Aside: how long before someone does NetFlix for music CDs?

Jack Coates
2005-01-24, 19:29
Dave Owen wrote:
>>Personally, I agree with the philosophy of the guys behind HYMN. I am
>
> not a
>
>>pirate (I pay for my music), but I believe that DRM makes the
>
> unwitting
>
>>consumer a conscript to the industry's cause of eroding our
>
> traditional
>
>>copyright laws.
>
>
> We (as a group) represent a terrific real-world example of why DRM is a
> bad thing for consumers. We all bought our Slim Devices players so that
> we could listen to our music more easily, and we all use (or have
> considered using) iTunes to purchase our music more easily, but DRM
> makes it impossible (without Hymn and other workarounds) to listen to
> the music we've purchased on the listening device we've purchased. It's
> almost as if the record companies would rather we reject online music
> purchasing and go back to purchasing CDs. Imagine that.
>
> You might as well give me a cup to hold my lemonade and an ice cube to
> make it cold, but make the ice cube twice the size of the cup.
>
> Okay, that's a terrible analogy. But I'm thirsty. ;)
>

Um, duh. Vote with your dollars. iTunes hasn't gotten penny one from me,
and neither will any other DRM-using service.

> Aside: how long before someone does NetFlix for music CDs?
>
>

About two days after the RIAA gives up on trying to sue life into
yesterday's business model. Interesting how they're supposed to be
getting killified to death by online piracy, but they've been posting
huge profits for the last couple of years...

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Olaf
2005-01-25, 16:30
> > Aside: how long before someone does NetFlix for music CDs?
>
> About two days after the RIAA gives up on trying to sue life into
> yesterday's business model. Interesting how they're supposed to be
> getting killified to death by online piracy, but they've been posting
> huge profits for the last couple of years...

Precisely. My wife has not set foot in a record store since we had our first
child - uuh, feels like donkeys ago. When I finally got the iTunes => JHymn
=> SlimServer pipe going, I had to fear for my flexible friend: She was all
over Apple's store, buying one track after the next.

Here's my theory for commercial success in the online music space: quickest
way to grab market share is to "leak" your DRM encryption on to the web.
Someone like Hymn will come along, scrub your files and customers will
follow.

The industry can then respond in one of two ways: (1) scream foul play and
force "stronger" DRM - but that too will be "leaked" in no time; or (2) follow
suit and "leak" their DRMs until every single DRM is scrubbed and the whole
technology becomes pointless (anyone remember DVD region coding?).

If you like any of these scenarios, then using eg Hymn becomes a civic duty.
Let's just see how long MSN will stand by their unbreakable WMA and watch
customers flood to Apple... Something tells me that before long the WMA DRM
will be hacked - and very probably with the friendly "leak" of an insider (at
board level).