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mandryka
2019-05-02, 09:51
Hello

I'm going to have a go at building my own LMS player.

Am I right to think Rasberry Pi is the best way to go?

I've seen these instructions -- are they still valid? Where are the audio inputs and outputs? I can't make it out from reading.

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106910-HOW-TO-Squeezebox-player-on-Raspberry-Pi-with-(or-without)-HiFiBerry-board&highlight=raspberry+pi

Does this starter kit on ebay contain all that I need?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3-Model-B-Plus-2018-Official-BLACK-Case-16GB-Starter-Bundle/202269512343?epid=1862641107&hash=item2f1833d297:g:xCQAAOSwDTNatQxk

Anything else I should be aware of before starting?

d6jg
2019-05-02, 10:13
Everything you need for a basic player apart from a suitable audio cable is in that kit.
It will be basic as it will be using the onboard audio out (3.5mm jack socket).
There is no audio input socket and you don’t need one for an LMS player.
To make it more audiophile you would either add a HAT DAC or use a USB DAC
Try PiCorePlayer first if you are a complete newbie. There is loads of support in the Linux/Unix section and lots of howto’s at their web site.

garym
2019-05-02, 11:52
Everything you need for a basic player apart from a suitable audio cable is in that kit.
It will be basic as it will be using the onboard audio out (3.5mm jack socket).
There is no audio input socket and you don’t need one for an LMS player.
To make it more audiophile you would either add a HAT DAC or use a USB DAC
Try PiCorePlayer first if you are a complete newbie. There is loads of support in the Linux/Unix section and lots of howto’s at their web site.

+1 for piCorePlayer. I've built two of these (one with HAT DAC for feeding analog inputs and one with DIGI+ HAT for feeding a DAC). If you can follow simple instructions and snap something together, it is dead simple. And software setup easy. In both cases I'm also running LMS on the rPi units. Be sure and see:

https://www.picoreplayer.org/

RobbH
2019-05-02, 14:14
One important thing to be aware of before you start: Patience!

Be prepared to be patient with yourself and with the project. You may encounter problems and setbacks along the way. They will probably be minor, and will turn out to be easily corrected. A little extra thought may be all that's required to solve the problem. Or you may need to ask for advice, in which case you will probably find plenty of people willing to help, as long as you can remain calm.

In other words, Don't Panic!

It's also possible, although not likely, that you will encounter a more significant problem. I had one Raspberry Pi that was non-functional on arrival and had clearly been modified. I was able to return it and start over with a working unit. It delayed the project a few days, but otherwise, no harm.

Just remember that it's all a learning process. Whatever path you take to complete it, you should end up with more knowledge than you started with.

Apesbrain
2019-05-02, 14:54
Anything else I should be aware of before starting?

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106910-HOW-TO-Squeezebox-player-on-Raspberry-Pi-with-(or-without)-HiFiBerry-board&highlight=raspberry+pi

mandryka
2019-05-03, 00:08
Thanks for all these replies, I've ordered the starter pack from ebay and will work on it as soon as it arrives.

edwin2006
2019-05-03, 00:31
Make sure you order a sufficient power supply for the pi. Even then I once got a defective PSU which I needed to return.

kidstypike
2019-05-03, 01:07
Thanks for all these replies, I've ordered the starter pack from ebay and will work on it as soon as it arrives.

I see the kit you ordered comes with an SD card (NOOBS), if you intend using the Pi as a player or player and LMS only, then you don't need NOOBS, just download piCorePlayer and burn it to a micro SD Card.

https://www.picoreplayer.org/

mandryka
2019-05-03, 01:38
I see the kit you ordered comes with an SD card (NOOBS), if you intend using the Pi as a player or player and LMS only, then you don't need NOOBS, just download piCorePlayer and burn it to a micro SD Card.

https://www.picoreplayer.org/

Just a card like this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-SD-Card-Reader-SPI-for-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi-UK-Seller/322502815052?hash=item4b16aa6d4c:g:9B4AAOSwPIhaNuc h

Paul Webster
2019-05-03, 01:42
The kit that you have ordered already has an SD card in it.
The suggestion was to overwrite the contents of it when it arrives.

Edit: Probably it is a micro SD card with an adapter to make it work with SD slots as well - which is absolutely fine.

kidstypike
2019-05-03, 01:55
Just a card like this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-SD-Card-Reader-SPI-for-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi-UK-Seller/322502815052?hash=item4b16aa6d4c:g:9B4AAOSwPIhaNuc h

No, that's a card reader :)

Just overwrite the SD Card that comes with the kit as suggested by Paul Webster, or use one of these or similar: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B073K14CVB/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1ZWQ8VC9SC8V9&keywords=micro+sd+card+16gb&qid=1556873631&s=gateway&sprefix=micro+SD%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-4

mandryka
2019-05-03, 03:15
I just want to check something -- that it'll connect to my server with wi-fi like a squeezebox.

Paul Webster
2019-05-03, 03:18
Yes it will - although you might find it easier to set-up by connecting it by Ethernet first - then configuring the WiFi - then removing the Ethernet cable and rebooting.

d6jg
2019-05-03, 04:06
Yes it will - although you might find it easier to set-up by connecting it by Ethernet first - then configuring the WiFi - then removing the Ethernet cable and rebooting.

Adding to this.
When you setup with Ethernet you will see piCorePlayer as a player in the LMS Gui.
You'll need to then activate wifi inside piCorePlayer as above.
When you switch to WiFi you may see 2 x piCorePlayer in the Gui - dont panic - one is the Ethernet interface the other is WiFi.

mandryka
2019-05-09, 04:27
Well that was one of the most painless things that I've ever done in the whole of my life! Thanks for all your support and instructions.

So my next question -- I want to be able to output the digital source into my own external DAC with no USB in either with coaxial or optical cable. What do I need to buy to make this happen?

kidstypike
2019-05-09, 04:47
Well that was one of the most painless things that I've ever done in the whole of my life! Thanks for all your support and instructions.

So my next question -- I want to be able to output the digital source into my own external DAC, either with coaxial or optical cable. What do I need to buy to make this happen?

You'll need a HAT something like this https://www.hifiberry.com/products/digiplus/ (no soldering needed). I use one of these in my Lounge setup.

However this probably won't fit in the case you got with the kit, same website as above for a compatible case https://www.hifiberry.com/shop/cases/steel-case-for-hifiberry-digi-black/ or similar

mandryka
2019-05-09, 05:00
You'll need a HAT something like this https://www.hifiberry.com/products/digiplus/ (no soldering needed). I use one of these in my Lounge setup.

However this probably won't fit in the case you got with the kit, same website as above for a compatible case https://www.hifiberry.com/shop/cases/steel-case-for-hifiberry-digi-black/ or similar

Thanks. Working out how to put the case together was the hardest part of making the streamer!

It runs warm. Is that normal?

mandryka
2019-05-09, 05:11
By the way, I'm doing this partly because I run three Squeezebox Classics, they've been running for 10 years without a problem. But I figured I need an insurance policy and anyway, I have plans for a fourth system.

But I'm curious, what's the expected lifetime of a Squeezebox Classic?

kidstypike
2019-05-09, 05:16
Thanks. Working out how to put the case together was the hardest part of making the streamer!

It runs warm. Is that normal?

All my Pi's run warm, not had any problems so far.

Manul
2019-05-09, 05:19
You'll need a HAT something like this https://www.hifiberry.com/products/digiplus/ (no soldering needed).

As an alternative, you could use an external USB-Audiointerface. I have had good experiences with the Behringer UCA222/UCA202. Bit clunkier but you can keep your current case and might be able to hide the external thingie behind your DAC or so.

edwin2006
2019-05-09, 08:23
By the way, I'm doing this partly because I run three Squeezebox Classics, they've been running for 10 years without a problem. But I figured I need an insurance policy and anyway, I have plans for a fourth system.

But I'm curious, what's the expected lifetime of a Squeezebox Classic?I've got a SB2 that's over 13 years old. Still working but very sticky (yuck)

d6jg
2019-05-10, 04:34
As an alternative, you could use an external USB-Audiointerface. I have had good experiences with the Behringer UCA222/UCA202. Bit clunkier but you can keep your current case and might be able to hide the external thingie behind your DAC or so.

The Behringer is 48/16 only.
Possibly a better alternative is a Hifime DIY Usb Sabre DAC which will do 96/24 and output is either standard 3.5mm aux or optical via the same socket.
I can confirm that both work with piCorePlayer and no case upgrade will be required.
https://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC

cliveb
2019-05-11, 06:39
I've got a SB2 that's over 13 years old. Still working but very sticky (yuck)
That rubber coating they put on plastic which goes sticky over the years is a pain.
If you never need to touch your SB2, then I guess it's no problem, but if you want to remove the stickyness, isopropyl alcohol is a suitable solvent. It takes a bit of effort, but does eventually get it off.

PS. I have a 14 year old SB2 (wired only) that is still going strong.

mandryka
2019-05-12, 01:37
The Behringer is 48/16 only.
Possibly a better alternative is a Hifime DIY Usb Sabre DAC which will do 96/24 and output is either standard 3.5mm aux or optical via the same socket.
I can confirm that both work with piCorePlayer and no case upgrade will be required.
https://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC

But isn't that a DAC? I want to use my own external DAC.

d6jg
2019-05-12, 01:40
But isn't that a DAC? I want to use my own external DAC.

It is a DAC but also a USB to Optical converter

mandryka
2019-05-29, 09:30
Hello again

Hit a pronlem. DigiPro+ has been assembled, but I get no output, either optical or coaxial. LMS sees the piCore player.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Manul
2019-05-29, 09:48
Have you selected the Digi+ as output device in the piCorePlayer settings? These can be accessed by pointing your browser at the IP of pCP.

You'll need to the select the "Squeezelite settings" tab. From there, you can select your output device.

mandryka
2019-05-29, 10:06
Have you selected the Digi+ as output device in the piCorePlayer settings? These can be accessed by pointing your browser at the IP of pCP.

You'll need to the select the "Squeezelite settings" tab. From there, you can select your output device.

You're a brick. I'm not at home right now but I'll try it tomorrow and report back.

Man in a van
2019-05-30, 00:42
Hello again

Hit a pronlem. DigiPro+ has been assembled, but I get no output, either optical or coaxial. LMS sees the piCore player.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.


Have you selected the Digi+ as output device in the piCorePlayer settings? These can be accessed by pointing your browser at the IP of pCP.

You'll need to the select the "Squeezelite settings" tab. From there, you can select your output device.

Instructions are here (https://www.picoreplayer.org/main_getting_started.shtml)

Looks like this, if you mean the Hifiberry device

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ronnie

mandryka
2019-05-30, 01:02
Done, thank you for your help gentlemen.

The hardest thing (once I'd found the instructions) was assembling the box!