PDA

View Full Version : SB Touch + speaker to replace SB Boom?



chopinhauer
2019-03-11, 03:06
Iíve had squeezeboxes for 10 years but technically Iím still a noob. So this is a real noob question.

I need another SB boom but donít want to pay a fortune for one and feel I can do better nowadays with one of my spare SB touches or SB Receivers attached to something. The question is what can I attach it to?
Itís for the bedroom so I want a minimal set up. For example, I have a spare smallish Denon amp and Mission bookshelf speakers lying around to which I could attach the Touch. These sound great but I want something smaller.

Ideally Iíd like a decent small speaker to which I can directly attach the SBT via RCA cables or Toslink. Obviously, this would entail a wifi-type speaker attached to my network.

I guess what Iím asking is whether a SBT attached to a Google Home Max, Sonos One or something else (please suggest) do the job? Iím looking for a solution with just two power cables (one for the SBT and one for the speaker). Or better even just one; if something like the Logitech UE Boom existed in wifi, vis a vis Bluetooth mode. I donít need all the smart-speaker talking commands/interaction stuff, but if the speaker has it I could learn to utilize it. But I really just want the speaker to play music streamed from my computer/NAS via the SBT.

Is this doable? Does anything along these lines exist?

bernt
2019-03-11, 03:16
Audio Pro C5 and the AirPlay bridge plugin is a perfect replacement for the Boom.

chopinhauer
2019-03-11, 03:20
Thanks. I hear a lot about 'airplay' but am a total non-Mac person. Not even itunes on my PC/android devices. Is that an issue? And I need it to sync to other SBs in the apartment and be controllable via squeezecontrol on my android phone.
In short, I want the Touch to do the work and the speaker to, well, just project the sound.

bernt
2019-03-11, 03:41
Thanks. I hear a lot about 'airplay' but am a total non-Mac person. Not even itunes on my PC/android devices. Is that an issue? And I need it to sync to other SBs in the apartment and be controllable via squeezecontrol on my android phone.

AirPlay bridge works fine without apple stuff. Control the player with android and Material skin.



https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109624-Announce-Material-Skin

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?105198-ANNOUNCE-AirPlay-Bridge-integrate-AirPlay-devices-with-LMS-(squeeze2raop)

Paul Webster
2019-03-11, 07:11
How much do you want to spend?

chopinhauer
2019-03-11, 14:20
I don't want to spend much. The audio pro C5 is as high as I'd go and as much as I need for such a bedroom. All the audiophile level stuff is in the living areas (Marantz receiver/amp, big Jamo speakers etc).

I've been looking around and see that the UE Blast and Megablast exist. I have the older bluetooth UE Boom and currently use this in the bedroom via Bluetooth. It is fine for that purpose so was thinking that the Blast/Megablast with its wifi capacity might do the trick. And this runs on rechargeable batteries, which is great because it means one less power chord.

Will all these solutions require the airplay bridge and be operable via my android Squeezcontrol ap. I must say I have never installed any of bridges developed by the tech savvy members on here. Is it hard? I certainly hope it's not command line stuff, not my forte. If it is are there clear instructions for tech super-noobs?

bernt
2019-03-12, 00:33
I don't want to spend much. The audio pro C5 is as high as I'd go and as much as I need for such a bedroom. All the audiophile level stuff is in the living areas (Marantz receiver/amp, big Jamo speakers etc).

I've been looking around and see that the UE Blast and Megablast exist. I have the older bluetooth UE Boom and currently use this in the bedroom via Bluetooth. It is fine for that purpose so was thinking that the Blast/Megablast with its wifi capacity might do the trick. And this runs on rechargeable batteries, which is great because it means one less power chord.

Will all these solutions require the airplay bridge and be operable via my android Squeezcontrol ap. I must say I have never installed any of bridges developed by the tech savvy members on here. Is it hard? I certainly hope it's not command line stuff, not my forte. If it is are there clear instructions for tech super-noobs?

Looks like UE Blast and Megablast don't have AirPlay. If they have AUX you can use your spare SB.

AirPlay bridge is click and play (in most cases).

chill
2019-03-12, 00:47
With a Raspberry Pi running piCorePlayer you can use a Bluetooth speaker quite successfully as an LMS device. You'd need to set up the Squeezelite player on the Pi to output to the Bluetooth device, but the pCP interface provides all the controls you'd need to pair and select the speaker. As a standalone player I think this would work fairy reliably. Synchronisation with other players can be achieved, but in my experience the Bluetooth delay seems to vary between power cycles. So I can connect and set the player delay to, say, 150ms, to get perfect sync, but the next time I power on the speaker I may need to adjust that to 250ms, say.



AirPlay bridge is click and play (in most cases).

What's the lag like on an Airplay device using the AirPlay bridge? A delay is to be expected, but is it any more consistent than Bluetooth? If it's consistent it can be 'fine tuned' away.

chopinhauer
2019-03-12, 00:50
Looks like UE Blast and Megablast don't have AirPlay. If they have AUX you can use your spare SB.

AirPlay bridge is click and play (in most cases).

I'm in no real hurry but at the moment the Audio Pro looks like the best bet, but if the Megablast adds airplay soon then I might go in that direction since it runs on batteries.

bernt
2019-03-12, 00:59
With a Raspberry Pi running piCorePlayer you can use a Bluetooth speaker quite successfully as an LMS device. You'd need to set up the Squeezelite player on the Pi to output to the Bluetooth device, but the pCP interface provides all the controls you'd need to pair and select the speaker. As a standalone player I think this would work fairy reliably. Synchronisation with other players can be achieved, but in my experience the Bluetooth delay seems to vary between power cycles. So I can connect and set the player delay to, say, 150ms, to get perfect sync, but the next time I power on the speaker I may need to adjust that to 250ms, say.



What's the lag like on an Airplay device using the AirPlay bridge? A delay is to be expected, but is it any more consistent than Bluetooth? If it's consistent it can be 'fine tuned' away.

I haven't noticed any difference using AirPlay bridge compared to my SBT. Don't use syncing but I have tried it and it worked fine.

castalla
2019-03-12, 01:22
There are other speakers which will work:

Libratone Zipp (including the Mini) - has both airplay and upnp, so can be used with airplay bridge or upnpbridge excellent battery life. Also has bluetooth.

Google Mini or Home (no battery) - use castbridge plugin (easy to set up). Vice volume and mute works over LMS.

Sonos Play1 - uses upnpbridge

All options have the ability to set an equaliser feature (using the original app) which carries over to LMS.

chopinhauer
2019-03-12, 19:00
Thanks for all the replies. So many options in moving on from the Boom. (I still have one working Boom and love it, but it won't last so it's good to move on and in many cases upwards).

OK, so it is now a question of deciding which way to go. I'm in no hurry so will think about it.

I just have one more super-noob question that relates to the various plugins mentioned. I have never used a plugin in my 10 years in the SB enviroment. Anyway, my question is: how do I install or enable the relevant plugin, say, the airplay bridge? Do the plugins come ready packed with LMS; (I'm currently on the latest 7.9.1). I've noticed various plugins listed in the LMS web GUI and there is an option to enable the relevant plugin. Is that all one has to do? I realise there are threads on each plugin which gives more details, but in the first instance, say in relation to the airplay bridge, is it a question of just enabling the plugin which is already there somewhere in the LMS program running on my PC or Pi?

Paul Webster
2019-03-13, 02:09
Yes - that is all that you have to do*






*sometimes things go wrong, especially if LMS is running on an unusual hardware/OS combination - but in that case this is an excellent support forum

peterw
2019-03-13, 16:13
One setup I've used with good success is using a "Y" adapter to feed both analog channels of an SB Classic (SB2, actually) into a single powered speaker.

chopinhauer
2019-03-13, 17:58
So, you're saying I can plug my Touch directly into, say, powered computer speakers like an set of Creative Gigaworks, simply using a Y adapter and RCA cables? If so, yet another option.

slartibartfast
2019-03-14, 00:21
So, you're saying I can plug my Touch directly into, say, powered computer speakers like an set of Creative Gigaworks, simply using a Y adapter and RCA cables? If so, yet another option.You could also plug the speakers into the 3.5mm headphone socket.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

d6jg
2019-03-14, 06:08
So, you're saying I can plug my Touch directly into, say, powered computer speakers like an set of Creative Gigaworks, simply using a Y adapter and RCA cables? If so, yet another option.

If you are looking at PC speakers then I'd look for USB Active Speakers - something like Alesis 320's or Behringer Media 40 - these have analogue in via RCA or 3.5mm but also have 2 way USB albeit some are limited to 16/44.1.

I have a pair of Ion Deskrockers - they are exactly the same as the Alesis as in the same speakers - plugged into a Raspberry Pi USB at a remote location I visit once a week. They produce a good sound. Via RCA these would work with anything except a Turntable where you might need a pre-amp. They are a big step up from Creative Gigaworks. Via USB they will also work with pretty much everything as no drivers are required.

Jeff07971
2019-03-14, 07:01
There these:

https://kantoaudio.com/product/yu4/

My friend swears by them and they have multiple inputs

Jeff

left channel
2019-03-14, 08:36
I use the RCA outs to active speakers. The Marshall Stanmore line is amazing. For stereo separation, AudioEngine A5+ speakers perform very well.

chopinhauer
2019-03-21, 01:14
One setup I've used with good success is using a "Y" adapter to feed both analog channels of an SB Classic (SB2, actually) into a single powered speaker.

Would this work for the Receiver in the SB Duet combo? I'm leaning towards using one of my many Duet Receivers instead of my spare Touch.

Given the smallness of the room and the fact that I don't play music loudly there I just want any-old cheapish powered speakers. Some of the suggested powered speakers are just too good (and too expensive) for the my purposes. On the other hand, if I do choose to spend upwards of $AUS300 for a more long-term and flexible solution then the Audio Pro C5s or the Liberatone Zipp seem more attractive options, especially when and if they become Airplay 2 ready.

sleepysurf
2019-03-21, 19:25
Take a look at the Vanatoo Transparent Zero's... https://www.amazon.com/Vanatoo-Transparent-Powered-Speakers-Black/dp/B01N33WUJ9?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_8937008011

They are fully active, with built-in Class D amp, DAC, Bluetooth, remote, and every conceivable connection option. Can even pair them with a small sub. They provide audiophile-grade sound at an entry level price.

peterw
2019-03-24, 18:02
Would this work for the Receiver in the SB Duet combo? I'm leaning towards using one of my many Duet Receivers instead of my spare Touch.

I would expect it to work, but having done a bunch more Googling, apparently it depends on the player device -- most modern devices handling this well, but some suffering damage from shorting L+ and R+.

I guess @seanadams isn't gonna jump in and help us out. :-(

Another option, depending on your LMS server, might be using a custom-convert.conf file to have LMS transcode everything for the Receiver down to mono. I expect that wouldn't work so well with synchronized playback.

Yet another might be configuring your spare Touch to play mono. At its heart, the Touch is a Linux system using the ALSA audio APIs, so you might be able to configure ALSA to always output mono. This would be your safest bet -- synchronized playback should be fine, no extra burden on LMS... toughest part might be figuring out how to configure it, as Touch is likely using a pretty old version of alsa.

agbagb
2019-03-29, 10:12
You could also plug the speakers into the 3.5mm headphone socket.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk


I've got multiple SB installations, some using a pretty high-end amp and speaker system. But, you know, one of my very favorite "as-listened-to" systems is exceptionally simple, and cheap - a Touch driving via 3.5mm jack a very old JBL Spot computer speaker system: two tiny mains-powered speakers and a larger bass unit. Those Spots were around 100 US, but have been out of production for years. They were and are so well-regarded and popular that they are still relatively easy to find on-line at modest prices (sometimes unused new/old stock). Here's a original BestBuy webpage, just for details and reviews:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/reviews/jbl-spot-2-1-multimedia-speaker-system/8475866

They fill a 50 square meter room with a powerful and accurate sound. Amazing. And many an audiophile friend at first thinks they are listening to something I've probably spent a small fortune on.

I actually do have a spare set of Spots, but I'm holding on to them.....

peterw
2019-03-29, 15:23
chopinhauer, here's your recipe, based on Touch firmware 7.8.0 r16754 and this alsa suggestion (https://superuser.com/a/155601). Only briefly tested, and only with the analog outputs, this does seem to route all sound to the left channel. (To send to the right channel you should only need to change the second digits from "0" to "1" and "2" to "3", e.g. "ttable 0.1 1".)

Enable remote login from the Settings > Advanced menu.
SSH in as root
make a backup copy of /etc/asound.conf for good measure:
cp /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.bak
edit asound.conf (I hope you know how to use the 'vi' editor), adding/inserting the boldfaced lines below


pcm.plugmulti {
type plug;
slave.pcm "multi";
route_policy duplicate;
ttable.0.0 1;
ttable.1.0 1;
ttable.0.2 1;
ttable.1.2 1;
}

Restart the Touch application:

/etc/init.d/squeezeplay restart
If that doesn't work, reboot the whole Touch:

reboot

Done. Assuming all is well, return to Settings > Advanced and disable remote login.

To undo the change you can edit again, or replace asound.conf with your backup copy, or just factory reset to wipe out the overlay filesystem where your modified asound.conf resides.

chopinhauer
2019-05-01, 20:47
Thanks for the last few replies.

I've actually solved my issue by going another route that still stays within the Squeezebox environment.

And my solution was extremely cheap and elegant. I simply purchased the SB Player app for my phone and then used this to access LMS and my library via wifi and send it to my UE Boom 1 in my bedroom via bluetooth from my phone. Since I already had the Boom and it wasnt being used much it cost me nothing. The result I get the full functionality of LMS including syncing my players with sound superior to my SB Boom. The SB Player app works well with my Squeeze Ctrl app as they are by same developer

Maybe one day when Logitech UE further develop their Blast range of wifi speakers so they can use airplay I can dispense with SB Player and bluetooth, but until then this works brilliantly and with no cables or power adapters (which is another advantage over the SB Boom).