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Sb42
2019-03-03, 09:52
I've got two 15 year old Squeezebox Classics. They do exactly the job that I need them to do which is to be a bedside Internet clock/radio.

I know that in 2019 there will be lots of people telling me that I could do it all with a smartphone, but I don't want a phone in my bedroom, nor do I want to navigate app permissions and external data pushing. The bottom line as we all know is that the SB3 does exactly what it says on the tin with no fuss.

However they are showing signs of age and having difficulty with audio output. I'm about to embark on some 'surgery' to replace their capacitors, but it ocurred to me that if they don't survive the event I should consider replacement.

Anyone have any thoughts on why I shouldn't just use a tablet to access LMS via the web interface and stream to a Bluetooth speaker for my audio needs?

Is there a way to set a Sleep timer from the LMS web interface

look forward to your views?

ctbarker32
2019-03-03, 11:47
While I still run a Classic also. Most of my streamers are now Raspberry Pi based. Pick your poison, zero or full sized and had a DAC Hat and install Picoreplayer. Now you are completely up to date with 2019 sound quality. Myself, I have switched to Roon after 10 plus years of Squeezebox Server. Roon does a good job of using existing Squeezebox players (e.g. squeezelite, etc.). I have my Classic directly hooked up to the cloud since I mainly using it for internet radio streaming.

I continue to be amazed at how much the original Squeezebox architects got right (Mark). I wish Logitech could have continued to develop the product along the lines of Roon?

chamonix
2019-03-05, 13:26
sb42,
Keep them. I had audio problems on two of my SB3s, I originally bought in 2006, back when Slim Designs sold them direct. When they had audio problems, I even tried a Grace Digital Internet Radio. Well, I could stream my favorite radio stations, but sound quality was awful. Constant background "hiss".

I found a forum member, who had fried his SB3 CPU, and was looking to get a parts SB 3 , to get the Mother Board/CPU. It turned out his CPU was ok, but MB was fried.

So I sent him my two "bad" SB3s on the understanding, if he can fix them, ie replace the Caps, I get one back, he keeps the other. With my MB, he got a functioning SB3 out of the deal.

Well it worked out for both of us, I got a rebuilt SB3 back, and I am very happy. I also bought a used SB3 off FleaBay which is working ok too. So for the moment, I have 3 functioning SB3s.

d6jg
2019-03-06, 12:40
I have 2 late model SB3s - the all black ones - both have had numerous power supplies but touch wood the networking and audio have held up on both so far.
When itís their time to go I shall probably replace with a Pi but I have yet to find what I consider to be a sufficiently aesthetically pleasing case!
I do have various Pi based players and various HATs but I tend to use them in places where they arenít visible.
The SB3 is still a very good looking bit of kit not to mention itís SQ.

w3wilkes
2019-03-06, 14:51
This case is the best I've found for Pi with touch screen
https://www.adafruit.com/product/3187
If you do a DAC card you can get a back cover
https://www.amazon.com/SmartiPi-Touch-back-HAT-cover/dp/B072M1YSQD/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1519310569&sr=8-2&keywords=smartipi+touch

d6jg
2019-03-06, 15:07
This case is the best I've found for Pi with touch screen
https://www.adafruit.com/product/3187
If you do a DAC card you can get a back cover
https://www.amazon.com/SmartiPi-Touch-back-HAT-cover/dp/B072M1YSQD/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1519310569&sr=8-2&keywords=smartipi+touch

Thanks but I think that proves my point.

kidstypike
2019-03-06, 15:22
thanks but i think that proves my point.

lol :d

nitram
2019-03-09, 10:11
I am now using an Allo Sparky with DAC and reclocker instead of my Squeezebox classic, and the sound is notably better. Don't know if the classic has aged, or the quality of design has improved: probably both.

But I have the classic yoked to the Sparky, so I can still watch the VU meters while listening. Best of both worlds!

sander
2019-03-09, 12:10
Heh, funny about this thread as I'm in the same predicament. 3 SB3s, one won't start, the other has a bad/malfunctioning dac, and the last plays for about 5 minutes before dying. I found a friendly EE at my job who's going to help me diagnose the problems, but it does beg the question is it worth it. Just for grins, I checked ebay and there is someone liquidating a whole bunch of unsold Transporters SEs for $450, so there are options...

I'm less of an audiophile so the sound quality is less of an issue, my feeling would be (as long as you're staying the squeezebox ecosystem) the greatest existential threat to the SB3 is a change in the wifi standards which they support. It is a pain to keep the remotes close opposite say a touch, but they have the old school aesthetic and they are iconic to me of the squeezebox heyday.

My next step would be something akin to an echo, a rasberrypi, ideally with an oss voice controller (e.g. mycroft or snips), a temperature sensor for the room and some colored lights as a kind of catch all for different rooms.

While I like the SB3, my favorite will always be the boom so hopefully those will last the longest.

edwin2006
2019-03-09, 23:42
Ditto. In my opinion the boom and the touch are awesome products. A pity there has never been a boom with the display of the touch.

Sb42
2019-03-10, 10:00
Heh, funny about this thread as I'm in the same predicament. 3 SB3s, one won't start, the other has a bad/malfunctioning dac, and the last plays for about 5 minutes before dying. I found a friendly EE at my job who's going to help me diagnose the problems, but it does beg the question is it worth it. Just for grins, I checked ebay and there is someone liquidating a whole bunch of unsold Transporters SEs for $450, so there are options...

I'm less of an audiophile so the sound quality is less of an issue, my feeling would be (as long as you're staying the squeezebox ecosystem) the greatest existential threat to the SB3 is a change in the wifi standards which they support. It is a pain to keep the remotes close opposite say a touch, but they have the old school aesthetic and they are iconic to me of the squeezebox heyday.

My next step would be something akin to an echo, a rasberrypi, ideally with an oss voice controller (e.g. mycroft or snips), a temperature sensor for the room and some colored lights as a kind of catch all for different rooms.

While I like the SB3, my favorite will always be the boom so hopefully those will last the longest.

We seem to be of the same mind here. I can't comment on the sound quality, save to say that my 20 year old powered Acoustic Research bookshelf speakers make enough noise for my needs. Having ripped all my CDs to MP3 and stored them on an extrenal SSD connected to an old netbook running Win/Xp, I use the sychronisation feature to fill the house with the same sounds when we have people in, but I more often than not simply use it for radio streaming from the BBCiplayer. The remote is not used much because I use the web interface on my laptop, desktop, or cellphone to just pick one of my 10 Radio favourites. As I said it's a perfect interface for my needs, but it's getting harder to keep it current with available technology without replacing things. Have you tried to buy speakers recently? Go into Best Buy and the teenage expert may have never heard of a speaker without Bluetooth! ;-)

My question is simply about effort and cost. Should I be continuing on with LMS and my SB3s or should I join the masses and go with Itunes and a new Bluetooth speaker?

I'm unlikley to go with a Pi rig, as I don't want to tinker.

Any thoughts appreciated.

philippe_44
2019-03-10, 12:16
Heh, funny about this thread as I'm in the same predicament. 3 SB3s, one won't start, the other has a bad/malfunctioning dac, and the last plays for about 5 minutes before dying. I found a friendly EE at my job who's going to help me diagnose the problems, but it does beg the question is it worth it. Just for grins, I checked ebay and there is someone liquidating a whole bunch of unsold Transporters SEs for $450, so there are options...

I'm less of an audiophile so the sound quality is less of an issue, my feeling would be (as long as you're staying the squeezebox ecosystem) the greatest existential threat to the SB3 is a change in the wifi standards which they support. It is a pain to keep the remotes close opposite say a touch, but they have the old school aesthetic and they are iconic to me of the squeezebox heyday.

My next step would be something akin to an echo, a rasberrypi, ideally with an oss voice controller (e.g. mycroft or snips), a temperature sensor for the room and some colored lights as a kind of catch all for different rooms.

While I like the SB3, my favorite will always be the boom so hopefully those will last the longest.

BTW, see other threads but in my experience (and I've fixed now 5+ SB3), the capacitors are the issue in most of the cases for what you describe, once you've eliminated a WiFi board problem

sander
2019-03-10, 16:42
My question is simply about effort and cost. Should I be continuing on with LMS and my SB3s or should I join the masses and go with Itunes and a new Bluetooth speaker?


I have thought of bluetooth speakers as they appear to have the ability to daisy chain now. I generally just sync all speakers except the bedroom anyway, but I haven't delved into the range and how well they sync.

Podcasts and streaming are issues that Squeezebox has struggled with for my needs. Some podcasts still don't play correctly and interfacing with various other services is a pain. I do figure someday I will be too old or tired to deal with it, but hopefully I can keep my l33t set up running for the a while to come.

philippe_44: I saw your other posts after looking around and it does look good for getting these SB3s going again. Thanks for that!

pputzer
2019-04-22, 11:08
I'm also thinking of abandoning my aging SB3 (late Logitech era, all black). While the SB3 itself works fine (though the reported WIFI strength is very low), the IR emitter seems to be fried - no output generated by IR blaster (checked with a phone that reliably can see the IR diodes firing). Of course it might only be a problem in the analog audio path to the headphone jack (probably the usual capacitor death syndrome). Unfortunately, my soldering skills are severely lacking, so putting together a pCP is the easier solution.

edwin2006
2019-04-22, 13:04
I'm pretty sure someone on the forum would be very happy with your sb3

philippe_44
2019-04-22, 23:22
I'm pretty sure someone on the forum would be very happy with your sb3

If you are in NAM, I fix these as a hobby b/c I want to help the LMS ecosystem to stay alive as long as possible. Just send it to me

pputzer
2019-04-23, 00:20
If you are in NAM, I fix these as a hobby b/c I want to help the LMS ecosystem to stay alive as long as possible. Just send it to me

I assume NAM means North America? Thanks, but unfortunately, IĎm living in Europe. Is there a forum for region-based "adoption offers" for old Squeezeboxes? It has been well taken care of (VFDs disabled when not actually playing to prevent burn-in), and I agree it would be a shame to just throw it out.


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edwin2006
2019-04-23, 00:34
i bet joe (From joe's blog https://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2018/11/logitech-slimdevices-squeezebox-classic.html) would be interested. This guy lives in germany and repairs all kind of squeezeboxes.