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NE5
2019-02-03, 07:56
Does anybody use Linux and Squeezebox classic ? Does it have any problems with anything ?

DJanGo
2019-02-03, 08:39
Does anybody use Linux and Squeezebox classic ? Does it have any problems with anything ?

linux is a big field to dig - any chance of a more precise question?

If you use a linux distri and that matches the needed Perl Version and architecture from a version of LMS why should we got a problem?

NE5
2019-02-03, 10:09
just looking ahead to support for windows 7 stopping next year. Alternatives and pitfalls etc. I don't want to change my desktop, in fact I don't want to change anything !!

freelsjd
2019-02-03, 10:31
I have been using linux since 1994 when Win-95 was released and I was sick of the blue screen of death from Win-3.1. Never looked back. For beginners, I recommend Mint or Ubuntu-LTS distribution, but I use Debian. Lots of choices with Linux, so if you want it to look like Windows-7 go ahead. I recommend that you dual boot for a while until you become comfortable using linux. Since you have stuck with Windows-7 all these years, you may not be comfortable using linux. Another suggestion is to just unplug your Windows-7 from the global network and only use the LAN (to run LMS), and not worry about updates from Microsoft and let this be your LMS machine. Then get another machine entirely and install Windows-10, linux, or whatever, until you get it setup like you want. Then decide if you want to transition to the new machine, or just keep running LMS on your old one. I have thought about a NAS machine myself, which is basically a linux server, and use that as a dedicated LMS server. Lots of options...

Man in a van
2019-02-03, 13:20
just looking ahead to support for windows 7 stopping next year. Alternatives and pitfalls etc. I don't want to change my desktop, in fact I don't want to change anything !!

Steve, with regard to LMS, it can all be done from a pi

Raspbian Stretch with desktop, or piCorePlayer.
Have a read of this

https://www.howtogeek.com/266072/you-can-still-get-windows-10-for-free-with-a-windows-7-8-or-8.1-key/


or go for Mint (you can run a distro on live usb stick if you want to familiarise yourself or dual boot as mentioned above).

ronnie

Mark Miksis
2019-02-03, 13:54
There are many folks running LMS on lots of different flavors of Linux. it works great and has a lot of support on this boards. Just pick something fairly mainstream and you'll be fine.

jimwillsher
2019-02-03, 14:55
I have only ever uses my SB software on Linux, never Windows. It's a headless Ubuntu VM running on my Windows server, with the music files actually held on the Windows box and mounted via /etc/fstab. It's worked reliably for......12 years?

I have my install notes, if it helps, but it's dead easy and rock solid.

NE5
2019-02-11, 05:00
Thanks for all the replies. I've got a bit of time to absorb all of this info so I'll take it however the overriding one at the moment, is how exactly do these linux distros not need security updates ? And it also seems a bit of an odd thing to me that microsoft hasn't tried to develop something to prevent it working ? Sorry if thats a bit naive.

Ronnie....what do you use, and what are you planning to do , if not use the Pi ?

I really don't want all this hassle tbh, I bank online (occasionally, more just for checking and transferring money to paypal etc) so does running linux etc expose that in any way ?

How long does it take to convert to linux, a few hours, longer ? As I will need to be at home and allocate however long it might take rather than leave the job halfway through.

Man in a van
2019-02-11, 07:21
Steve

I mostly use an old Windows Desktop which used to run dual boot XP and Windows 7 Pro.

I changed to 8 and then took the free upgrade to 10.

I just use the default Windows security.

LMS is run on either a pi or an old Shuttle computer using a version of Debian Stretch which uses the pi Raspbian desktop.

I have some Apple stuff but don't use it on a day to day basis.

I do the normal on-line purchasing and some Bank stuff, I never use a mobile device for any buying or banking.

If you just google "Linux and Security" you'll get a better idea.


ronnie

freelsjd
2019-02-11, 08:25
Microsoft now offers through their "store" free linux installations within Windows itself as an app. Ubuntu came first, but there are several others now. Basically a bash environment. I have no idea how good the graphical interface will work for this type of setup, but you do not need that to run the LMS.

I have a VM setup within my debian/linux server to run Windows 10 that uses vmplayer from vmware. This allows me to run Windows-specific software that is not available for linux such as quicken, office (excel, word, powerpoint, etc.). This way you get the best of both worlds.

NE5
2019-02-12, 03:04
Microsoft now offers through their "store" free linux installations within Windows itself as an app. Ubuntu came first, but there are several others now. Basically a bash environment. I have no idea how good the graphical interface will work for this type of setup, but you do not need that to run the LMS.

I have a VM setup within my debian/linux server to run Windows 10 that uses vmplayer from vmware. This allows me to run Windows-specific software that is not available for linux such as quicken, office (excel, word, powerpoint, etc.). This way you get the best of both worlds.

well.....I use word and excell, not a lot, but I have all sorts of things I've used it for. Especially Word.

Maybe a dual boot is better, but I'm toying with seeing if my desktop will take windows 10 - I doubt it because now and again I get my screen locking up and a message saying it is reverting to the basic windows 7 driver and resets itself.

I take it that if you dual boot into windows 7 then you wouldn't be online , only if you boot into linux ? How do you switch over etc if thats the case ?

d6jg
2019-02-12, 04:15
well.....I use word and excell, not a lot, but I have all sorts of things I've used it for. Especially Word.

Maybe a dual boot is better, but I'm toying with seeing if my desktop will take windows 10 - I doubt it because now and again I get my screen locking up and a message saying it is reverting to the basic windows 7 driver and resets itself.

I take it that if you dual boot into windows 7 then you wouldn't be online , only if you boot into linux ? How do you switch over etc if thats the case ?

You will be surprised at what W10 will actually run on. It (along with SSD) has turned some of my old kit into perfectly usable machines.

I would forget about dual boot. Keep your Windows desktop for your online banking etc but upgrade it to W10. Get a Raspberry Pi as Ronnie has and stick piCorePlayer and LMS on it.

Where are your music files held ?

DJanGo
2019-02-12, 04:21
how exactly do these linux distros not need security updates ?
WHAAAT??
Forget that nonsense ASAP!!

so does running linux etc expose that in any way ?

How long does it take to convert to linux, a few hours, longer ? As I will need to be at home and allocate however long it might take rather than leave the job halfway through.
Buy a cheap rpi3 or nanopi4m and run that 24/7 for lms only. Dont mix your normal stuff with it and your fine.
How long do you need to calculate the 17th position of pi? -> Depends on your math skills!
Same as windows -> linux.
And a cheap RPI is small and handy you can fiddle thing out everywhere.

doctor_big
2019-02-12, 05:09
Linux via ubuntu works great on a lenovo laptop - a nice, trim, lean machine that has open office built in and is essentially virus proof.

For surfing the web and editing office docs it's fantastic. But I wouldn't try to run lms on it.

Get a Pi. All the hard work has been done for you.

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NE5
2019-02-14, 06:47
You will be surprised at what W10 will actually run on. It (along with SSD) has turned some of my old kit into perfectly usable machines.

I would forget about dual boot. Keep your Windows desktop for your online banking etc but upgrade it to W10. Get a Raspberry Pi as Ronnie has and stick piCorePlayer and LMS on it.

Where are your music files held ?

They are held in a word document, and I use mp3tag to label, categorize and order them.

d6jg
2019-02-14, 06:54
They are held in a word document, and I use mp3tag to label, categorize and order them.

No. I mean are your music files ON the PC or are they stored on a separate drive or NAS etc.

Roland0
2019-02-14, 18:13
well.....I use word and excell, not a lot, but I have all sorts of things I've used it for. Especially Word.


It should be noted that about all home user's requirements regarding word processing and spreadsheets are easily met by free office suites like LibreOffice (https://www.libreoffice.org/) or FreeOffice (http://freeoffice.com/) (which both run on Linux - as will any cloud-based solution, if that's your cup of tea).
Further reading: Donít waste your money on Office 2019 (says Microsoft) (https://www.computerworld.com/article/3340227/microsoft-office/don-t-waste-your-money-on-office-2019-says-microsoft.html)

NE5
2019-02-18, 09:54
No. I mean are your music files ON the PC or are they stored on a separate drive or NAS etc.

On the PC . In a windows folder not a word doc. Sorry for the confusion.

NE5
2019-02-18, 10:39
It should be noted that about all home user's requirements regarding word processing and spreadsheets are easily met by free office suites like LibreOffice (https://www.libreoffice.org/) or FreeOffice (http://freeoffice.com/) (which both run on Linux - as will any cloud-based solution, if that's your cup of tea).
Further reading: Don’t waste your money on Office 2019 (says Microsoft) (https://www.computerworld.com/article/3340227/microsoft-office/don-t-waste-your-money-on-office-2019-says-microsoft.html)

Ok which of these would you say is best and do they both overwrite ALL my current word and excell documents inclyding older ones ? I might start by changing over to these immediately as they are free. I also mean jpegs etc .

NE5
2019-02-18, 10:49
Just to add. I dont have a problem buying a new PC with W10 installed its just that I wanted to avoid having to install things all over again and ending up with another PC cluttering up the spare room etc and potential squeezebox probs again having just sorted that out

Fizbin
2019-02-18, 15:21
Build your own PC and download Windows 10 LTSC, which has far less bloat. Then go to ebay and buy a cheap activation code. That said, I ended up going back to 8.1...much faster and easy to remove the telemetry.

Roland0
2019-02-21, 16:37
Ok which of these would you say is best

That really depends on your requirements and personal preferences.
I'd suggest installing both and trying your typical workflows / use cases to see which one you prefer.



and do they both overwrite ALL my current word and excell documents inclyding older ones ?

Not sure I follow - installing an office suite will not overwrite any documents




I also mean jpegs etc .


?

w3wilkes
2019-02-21, 19:29
Do you mean... Will a Linux install overwrite your docs, excel, jpg's, etc. Like a Windows from scratch install typically formats the drive erasing everything.

NE5
2019-03-06, 03:51
sort of. What I mean is will it convert everything, or open them in the same way, or will I lose files ?

There is so many alternatives here to try.

I'm thinking of installing linux onto my windows 7 PC now, even though I've got 10 months left, then just suck it and see, work it through as I go.

One thing I haven't mentioned, is that my current BT modem is hard wired to the squeezebox using a Broadband Extender Flex 600 kit and 2 plugs in the wall. Does this mean I could actually use my old XP laptop connected direct to the squeezebox if it was in the same room eliminating the need for wifi ?

NE5
2019-03-06, 04:31
I have been using linux since 1994 when Win-95 was released and I was sick of the blue screen of death from Win-3.1. Never looked back. For beginners, I recommend Mint or Ubuntu-LTS distribution, but I use Debian. Lots of choices with Linux, so if you want it to look like Windows-7 go ahead. I recommend that you dual boot for a while until you become comfortable using linux. Since you have stuck with Windows-7 all these years, you may not be comfortable using linux. Another suggestion is to just unplug your Windows-7 from the global network and only use the LAN (to run LMS), and not worry about updates from Microsoft and let this be your LMS machine. Then get another machine entirely and install Windows-10, linux, or whatever, until you get it setup like you want. Then decide if you want to transition to the new machine, or just keep running LMS on your old one. I have thought about a NAS machine myself, which is basically a linux server, and use that as a dedicated LMS server. Lots of options...

I think this is along the lines of the question I have just asked ?

NE5
2019-03-06, 06:24
It should be noted that about all home user's requirements regarding word processing and spreadsheets are easily met by free office suites like LibreOffice (https://www.libreoffice.org/) or FreeOffice (http://freeoffice.com/) (which both run on Linux - as will any cloud-based solution, if that's your cup of tea).
Further reading: Donít waste your money on Office 2019 (says Microsoft) (https://www.computerworld.com/article/3340227/microsoft-office/don-t-waste-your-money-on-office-2019-says-microsoft.html)

which is the best ?

DJanGo
2019-03-06, 06:38
which is the best ?
The one that fit all your needings and you can operate.


That really depends on your requirements and personal preferences.
I'd suggest installing both and trying your typical workflows / use cases to see which one you prefer.
?

NE5
2019-03-14, 08:54
You will be surprised at what W10 will actually run on. It (along with SSD) has turned some of my old kit into perfectly usable machines.

I would forget about dual boot. Keep your Windows desktop for your online banking etc but upgrade it to W10. Get a Raspberry Pi as Ronnie has and stick piCorePlayer and LMS on it.

Where are your music files held ?

would this spec of my desktop run windows 10 ?

w3wilkes
2019-03-14, 09:03
It should run Win10 about the same as it runs 7. Either way I'd upgrade your RAM to 8GB. The biggest and most notable speed improvement I've seen is going to a SSD system drive, it's like night and day difference.

d6jg
2019-03-14, 12:01
It should run Win10 about the same as it runs 7. Either way I'd upgrade your RAM to 8GB. The biggest and most notable speed improvement I've seen is going to a SSD system drive, it's like night and day difference.

I agree entirely. Swap out the HD for an SSD drive and that will easily run W10


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