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noexit
2018-07-07, 12:30
I absolutely love my LMS system. I have either Windows PC's or Android Devices in most every section of my home that I sync music to on and off depending on various family member moods all day long. We use it all the time for lots of things.

We're just now considering a subscribing to a music streaming service. But we're not sure which one will work the best for us. We've just signed up for a Spotify trial as we like the various selections of 50's to 70's Jazz they have on board. We like the deep cuts they have and the large selection. But we're still working on getting it setup to interface and stream through LMS so we can listen throughout the house.

So, we're looking for feedback from the Squeezebox Community as to which Music Streaming Services might be the most popular and easiest to configure with the widest selection available.

All feedback graciously appreciated.

Michael
Johnson City, TN

Grumpy Bob
2018-07-07, 12:55
I use Spotify, mostly to audition albums before I decide to buy them...

Robert

freelsjd
2018-07-07, 18:18
I used to use Spotify, but changed when they did.

d6jg
2018-07-10, 06:20
Given the work Michael has done on the Spotty plugin Spotify is the best integration with LMS imho.

emalvick
2018-07-10, 13:05
I use Spotify and was ready to look elsewhere and then the Spotty plugin made everything about as good as I could ask.

I mostly use Spotify to try before I buy music. Admittedly, most music I listen to on Spotify I listen to once and never again, or through automatic playlists, which serve me more like a radio. Consequently, I rarely listen to an album more than once on Spotify and I buy much less music.

cdmackay
2018-07-10, 13:12
I use Deezer hifi (FLAC quality) via the Ickstream LMS plugin

The plugin is fairly basic, but playback works perfectly, at least. It only shows the first 200 of your favourite albums, which is annoying, but it's easy enough to search the entire Deezer collection via the plugin, so it doesn't really matter.

Can't compare to the others, since I've not tried them.

garym
2018-07-10, 15:57
I use Spotify, via the Spotty plugin. Works very nicely in my LMS system.

castalla
2018-07-10, 16:45
Spotify - has the widest range of playing devices ... LMS, smart speakers, windows web, Sonos, TV

kc5f
2018-07-10, 18:21
Another vote for Spotify - I use it via LMS and the Spotty plug-in running on a Raspberry Pi. I like it because of their selection of music. I listen mostly to Scandinavian music, and there's no other service I've found with the same catalog. (Not surprising, since they're based in Sweden.) But I also listen to Mexican pop, Americana, Bollywood, Eastern European and anything else that catches my ear. They even have me, on an obscure, non-commercial CD that I have a track on!

FredFredrickson
2018-07-12, 11:34
Spotify daily. I don't know what I'd do without it.

freelsjd
2018-07-12, 15:38
The main thing that I like about deezer, apart from the fact that it works well with LMS, is that the download speeds are very good; at least to me. There is a noticeable difference in downloading the local copy of an album to my phone, for example. Really much faster. I don't know why. Deezer also seems to improve their service to my liking. About the only thing that I dislike about Deezer that I had in Spotify is that Spotify had the ability to create folders within playlists. So, for example, I can setup a playlist in Spotify as a genre of music, say acoustic-rock. Then I can go into that folder and setup different playlists. Deezer has only flat playlists.

mherger
2018-07-12, 21:31
> Spotify had the ability to create folders within playlists. So, for
> example, I can setup a playlist in Spotify as a genre of music, say
> acoustic-rock. Then I can go into that folder and setup different
> playlists. Deezer has only flat playlists.

Unfortunately Spotify does not expose those folders in their APIs. Which
means that we cannot browse playlists by folders on the SB.

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Michael

freelsjd
2018-07-13, 05:26
Michael, while you are listening in on this conversation, I would like to express my gratitude for all the good work you have put into Spotty. For me, it is really a toss up between Spotify and Deezer. It is easy enough to switch also.

One additional question for this group. Google is now pushing for their YouTube Music service. Is there a way to play this on LMS?

noexit
2018-07-13, 07:12
Michael, while you are listening in on this conversation, I would like to express my gratitude for all the good work you have put into Spotty. For me, it is really a toss up between Spotify and Deezer. It is easy enough to switch also.

One additional question for this group. Google is now pushing for their YouTube Music service. Is there a way to play this on LMS?


I have used the YouTube Plugin for some time. It's reported though that it streams the whole video and not just the audio. That's a bit of a drawback if you're streaming daily as you could approach a data cap pretty easily if you have them. But, I really like that it somehow seems to bypass all the ads.

freelsjd
2018-07-14, 05:58
Partly answering my own question, I researched the new service a little bit. I have not actually tried it, and there is a free month trial. But, from what others have said, the bit rate tops at 128K which seems very low for a $9.99/mo fee. That combined with no direct LMS service will eliminate me as a potential customer.

noexit
2018-07-14, 10:48
Interesting and unexpected development regarding my search for a music service: Recently I signed up for both Spotify and Deezer. Spotify initially but then Deezer as I'm still not yet able to get my Spotify Plugin working (It's definitely an issue with my Win 7 OS install needing a fresh reinstall of the OS - not something I'll have time for anytime soon.)

Anyway, we're grooving out in the house with Deezer when my oldest child (4 years old) wants to hear something about Room Without A Roof. A quick Google Search reveals that he's discovering Pop Music - much to the chagrin of my John Coletrane, Hank Mobley, Stanley Turrentine taste. But hey, he's 4 and anything to get him grooving too! So we play Happy by Pharrell Williams and then turn on the Deezer flow to follow. A few songs later my 4 year old is hearing about how We're gonna (something) her (something) up in da (something)... Ouch! Another quick Google search reveals that Deezer doesn't really have a method for filtering explicit lyrics. Nothing I exactly anticipated as most everything I listen to is instrumental or is from the days where everything was radio-friendly.

So, I'm still searching.

squeezebox_Fan
2018-07-17, 06:12
Napster / Rhapsody:
I canceled my subscription more than a year ago, because it runs only on newer Logitech devices (Touch, Radio) and not on SB3 or software devices.

Deezer Premium:
Works fairly well. Sometimes the last seconds of a song are “gone”. You will find a thread about this problem in the Forum. And sometimes during “primetime” the service is not available. At least from Neuss in Germany.
It works on my hardware devices and with Squeezelite Software players.
Deezer is strong in audio books and French music.

TIDAL: CD Quality
Works very good. Service was always available without any dropouts.
It works on my hardware devices and with Squeezelite Software players

JeffHart
2018-07-17, 10:00
Using Spotify with Spotty plug in; generally works very well - occasional hiccup when streaming to more than three devices. The Spotify paid service also allows me to download music to my phone & tablet for offline listening, which I use frequently when traveling.

I like the Discover Weekly and Release Radar playlists and occasionally listen to some of their genre play lists.

callesoroe
2018-07-17, 10:09
I absolutely love my LMS system. I have either Windows PC's or Android Devices in most every section of my home that I sync music to on and off depending on various family member moods all day long. We use it all the time for lots of things.

We're just now considering a subscribing to a music streaming service. But we're not sure which one will work the best for us. We've just signed up for a Spotify trial as we like the various selections of 50's to 70's Jazz they have on board. We like the deep cuts they have and the large selection. But we're still working on getting it setup to interface and stream through LMS so we can listen throughout the house.

So, we're looking for feedback from the Squeezebox Community as to which Music Streaming Services might be the most popular and easiest to configure with the widest selection available.

All feedback graciously appreciated.

Michael
Johnson City, TN

I use Tidal. Works smoothly with LMS and much much better sound quality than Spotify.

amey01
2018-07-19, 03:49
Spotify with the Spotty plugin.

It's great on LMS, but importantly it also works on anything else I try to use it on - bluetooth speakers, android, ios, Windows.........anything.

matka
2018-07-19, 12:16
Surprisingly nobody has mentioned qobuz.com... Yes, I use it for the last 3 or 4 years and it works well. I like their catalog and booklet availability on their web player. If only LMS would support somehow pdf booklets...

arthurc
2018-07-20, 07:47
I use both Spotify and TuneIn radio

didjean
2018-07-22, 00:57
Surprisingly nobody has mentioned qobuz.com... Yes, I use it for the last 3 or 4 years and it works well. I like their catalog and booklet availability on their web player. If only LMS would support somehow pdf booklets...

Qobuz +1. Great catalogue and more importantly Lossless.

nevertheless, knowing the work done on LMS/SB, I would definitely move to Spotify if they would propose a lossless subscription.

left channel
2018-07-23, 09:37
+2 (+3?) for Qobuz, especially as the OP mentioned jazz. Qobuz is particularly well-known for having strong jazz and classical catalogs.

Qobuz offers 2 million Hi-Res tracks and 40 million CD-quality tracks. They all stream perfectly via the Qobuz plug-in for LMS. On an external DAC, up to 24/192. The internal DAC in the Touch tops out at 24/96, so it will play 24/192 tracks at 24/96. LMS plug-in also handes search, playlists, favorites, and other features very well.

Qobuz USA is launching in September. If you can't wait, there is a way to subscribe to the UK service from the US and I'd be happy to explain how.

I also subscribe to Tidal. CD quality tracks stream fine via LMS, but MQA does not seem to be possible at this time.

left channel
2018-07-23, 09:54
Surprisingly nobody has mentioned qobuz.com... Yes, I use it for the last 3 or 4 years and it works well. I like their catalog and booklet availability on their web player. If only LMS would support somehow pdf booklets...

I use Qobuz only for streaming, but I believe with the help of the Music & Artist Information plug-in you can view PDF booklets that accompany download purchases. That topic is currently under discussion here: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95494-Suggested-plugin-PDF-viewer

matka
2018-07-27, 09:03
I use Qobuz only for streaming, but I believe with the help of the Music & Artist Information plug-in you can view PDF booklets that accompany download purchases. That topic is currently under discussion here: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95494-Suggested-plugin-PDF-viewer
Thanks for the heads-up, I will of course install that plug in. Still, what I would really like is to be able to browse the pdf when streaming, same as in qobuz web player. I don't download much these days. Qobuz metadata for an album does contains link to a pdf booklet if available (it is called "goodies"...) so one would think perhaps there is a way to use this link. Assuming that qobuz api allows this.

Perhaps Michael H. can comment on the possibilities ?

left channel
2018-07-27, 11:24
Thanks for the heads-up, I will of course install that plug in. Still, what I would really like is to be able to browse the pdf when streaming, same as in qobuz web player. I don't download much these days. Qobuz metadata for an album does contains link to a pdf booklet if available (it is called "goodies"...) so one would think perhaps there is a way to use this link. Assuming that qobuz api allows this.

Perhaps Michael H. can comment on the possibilities ?

Thanks for the heads-up in turn, as I have never noticed those PDF links! I believe the best dev to ask about this would be @pierrepoulpe.

noexit
2018-07-27, 16:33
+2 (+3?) for Qobuz, especially as the OP mentioned jazz. Qobuz is particularly well-known for having strong jazz and classical catalogs.

Qobuz offers 2 million Hi-Res tracks and 40 million CD-quality tracks. They all stream perfectly via the Qobuz plug-in for LMS. On an external DAC, up to 24/192. The internal DAC in the Touch tops out at 24/96, so it will play 24/192 tracks at 24/96. LMS plug-in also handes search, playlists, favorites, and other features very well.

Qobuz USA is launching in September. If you can't wait, there is a way to subscribe to the UK service from the US and I'd be happy to explain how.

I also subscribe to Tidal. CD quality tracks stream fine via LMS, but MQA does not seem to be possible at this time.

Just damn! My heart rate doubled when I saw the note about Qobuz's Jazz catalog. But it seems they aren't available here in the US. [sigh]

left channel
2018-07-27, 21:35
Just damn! My heart rate doubled when I saw the note about Qobuz's Jazz catalog. But it seems they aren't available here in the US. [sigh]

They're launching in the US this fall. It has been possible to get around the geographic restriction, but that won't be necessary soon.

mherger
2018-07-27, 23:04
> Thanks for the heads-up, I will of course install that plug in. Still,
> what I would really like is to be able to browse the pdf when streaming,
> same as in qobuz web player. I don't download much these days. Qobuz
> metadata for an album does contains link to a pdf booklet if available
> (it is called "goodies"...) so one would think perhaps there is a way to
> use this link. Assuming that qobuz api allows this.

I'll have to look into this. But please take any further discussion to a
different thread. It's becoming rather off topic.

> Perhaps Michael H. can comment on the possibilities ?

The link seems to be documented. I'll have to see whether I can make any
use of it.

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Michael

left channel
2018-07-28, 08:46
> I'll have to look into this. But please take any further discussion to a
different thread. It's becoming rather off topic.

Thanks Michael, and thanks again @matka! Moved to the Qobuz streaming plugin thread: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97146-Qobuz-com-streaming-plugin&p=917527&viewfull=1#post917527

Dodeth
2018-09-04, 04:57
I moved to Tidal when Spotify went funny and I couldn't get the new plugin to work. One aspect concerns me. When I try to use Tidal I have to first log on, then open another app (usually Radio Paradise) and then go back into Tidal before it will work. Not seen anyone else having the same problem so can only assume it's something to do with my setup.

mherger
2018-09-04, 21:06
> I moved to Tidal when Spotify went funny and I couldn't get the new
> plugin to work. One aspect concerns me. When I try to use Tidal I have
> to first log on, then open another app (usually Radio Paradise) and then
> go back into Tidal before it will work. Not seen anyone else having the
> same problem so can only assume it's something to do with my setup.

Anything in server.log?


--

Michael

DanSmedra
2018-10-04, 07:51
Is anyone else having problems with TIDAL streaming?

Pandora seems solid and I'm fairly confident my Internet service or WiFi isn't to blame.

left channel
2018-10-04, 09:23
Is anyone else having problems with TIDAL streaming?

Pandora seems solid and I'm fairly confident my Internet service or WiFi isn't to blame.

I started an hour later but I've run through most of a playlist with no issues here. Tidal problems like that are often local or regional anyway. It's very frustrating, and in fact of the 1,100 posts in the ComputerAudiophile "Official Tidal HiFi Streaming Issues Thread" my impression is that most of the complaints are about unexplained stuttering, dropouts, freezes, and hangs/rebuffering.

If you're still having problems, we should probably take this to a new thread to discuss further.

agillis
2018-10-08, 14:38
Spotify is best for their huge collection and TIDAL is better for Hi-Rez (16/44).

We have been having a problems here with TIDAL and it turned out to be very sensitive to DNS. Set up a good caching DNS server and TIDAL works much better.

Also Qobuz is coming to the US and and they higher then CD quality streaming. Should be interesting.

Mnyb
2018-10-12, 08:14
ROON recomend thier Tidal users with problems to implement googles DNS servers in thier routers etc .

Is/Was that not a problem that some internet providers cheap out on DNS services ?

callesoroe
2018-10-14, 09:53
Is anyone else having problems with TIDAL streaming?

Pandora seems solid and I'm fairly confident my Internet service or WiFi isn't to blame.

Tidal has always been rock solid in my setup. Location Denmark. Sound quality is super...