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Kaizen28
2018-03-14, 13:13
Hi All,

I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been one of my best purchases. My hardware it mostly soldiering on but I'm sure at some point they will start to fail. I've had a SB3 fail and replaced it with a Touch, courtesy of Ebay. This works fine as an interim fix but my concern is the long term.

I've looked at other options (like SONOS) but none of them provide the flexibility and scale that I currently have.

What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

Thank you.

Fahzz
2018-03-14, 14:09
Other forum members are using Raspberry Pi based systems. I was a little intimidated about getting into this, but I replaced my SB 3 with an Allo DigiOne Player recently. It uses Max2Play to run LMS and Squeezelite, all preinstalled. Set up was ridiculously easy due to Max2Play's instruction video. Max2Play help is good, but this forum is better for questions you might have.

Apesbrain
2018-03-14, 14:45
I'd miss my Touch, but I'd be ok with a Raspberry Pi/Allo/PiCorePlayer solution. All of my controlling is done via browser or smartphone. I already have two such units using HiFiBerry boards.

https://www.allo.com/shop/1614-large/digione-player.jpg
https://www.allo.com/sparky/digione-player.html

drmatt
2018-03-14, 16:37
Buy plenty of spares......


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KeBul
2018-03-15, 02:41
Buy plenty of spares......


...^^This^^...

I've been picking up spare players from eBay for a couple of years now, I look after my system of 3 Radios, 1 Boom and 1 Touch and my sister's setup with 2 Radios and a Touch.

At the moment we both only listen to either our own collection of ripped music or radio, no paid music streaming services yet so will happily continue with LMS, my sister has an Amazon Alexa and we were looking forward to trying the voice control of LMS by HaB-Tunes but sadly that seems on hold at the moment. If I ever go to a paid service then at the moment it would be Spotify so I can continue with LMS and Spotty, but maybe in the long term that will lead to a simpler setup with no maintenance probably one of the smart speakers.

For spares I currently have 4 working Radios, a Touch, 2 SB3 Classics, a Duet and a brand new in-box Boom plus two failed Radios that when I feel the need I will make one good one out of the two, I also have new replacement screen for a Radio should we get another Radio screen failure (had two so far and one of the broken spares I picked up from eBay is a failed screen).

Server wise I have switched from QNAP based to RPI based, for me not quite as reliable, but easier to maintain especially with all the latest plugins, if Digimaster's QLogitechMediaServer ever gets fully up and running with Shairtunes as well as all the good stuff he's already managed so far then I will look at switching back to a QNAP for LMS as my 4 core NAS is considerably faster than the RPI.

Kev

drmatt
2018-03-15, 03:22
(There's a new Pi 3B+ with much improved CPU and network throughput by the way .. Should be rock solid reliable, mine are.)


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mherger
2018-03-15, 03:38
> (There's a new Pi 3B+ with much improved CPU and network throughput by
> the way .. Should be rock solid reliable, mine are.)

While the CPU isn't that much of an improvement, I'm looking forward to
compare scan times anyway, as I use it with my music collection stored
on a NAS. But given the age of the NAS the throughput might as well be
limited on this end :-).

--

Michael

bernt
2018-03-15, 03:53
The AirPlay-plugin works very well with the hardware I've tested.

Hegel H90
Audio Pro Addon C5

Paul Webster
2018-03-15, 09:52
While the CPU isn't that much of an improvement, I'm looking forward to
compare scan times anyway, as I use it with my music collection stored
on a NAS. But given the age of the NAS the throughput might as well be
limited on this end :-).

I presume it would need to be Gigabit (although throttled) ethernet (or possibly WiFi but I doubt that you run WiFi between those 2 components) from RPi 3B+ to NAS.

Jim Pattison
2018-03-15, 10:14
Here's another vote for the Raspberry Pi solution. I've put together a couple, both using piCorePlayer. One has a HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro and the other has an Allo DigiOne.

vanye
2018-03-15, 16:17
For my main stereo system in the living room I use a barebone and run Daphile on it. The Barebone is plugged via USB into an asynchronous DAC and the music files are on a portable harddrive also connected via USB. Have had this one running for almost four years without any glitches - rock stable and fasterĎn greased lightning when scanning the library for new music.

For the secondary stereo I run a RaspBerryPi with PiCorePlayer. It uses the Daphile system as a server and has also been rock stable for the past three years.

As far as I can see, these systems are far superior to the original squeezeboxes.

jbm
2018-03-15, 18:28
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Kaizen28
<Kaizen28.8e52lb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> My hardware it mostly soldiering on but I'm
> sure at some point they will start to fail. I've had a SB3 fail and
> replaced it with a Touch, courtesy of Ebay. This works fine as an
> interim fix but my concern is the long term.
>
> What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

If you're looking for networked devices to play to from your
tried-and-true Squeezebox(/L-word Media) Server - the high-value
option is probably a Raspberry Pi with an appropriate HiFiBerry HAT.

A few extra bucks for a 5v iFi power wart to power the whole Pi/HAT
lashup sounded worth it to my ears.

I haven't actually found and tried a software solution for the Pi
which acts like a Squeezebox, but I'd be shocked if there isn't one.
I have used this class of hardware for Roon zones, and it's worked and
sounded fine.

If you want an off-the-shelf solution known to sound excellent - a
safe bet is a Sonore UltraRendu

http://sonore.us/ultraRendu.html

When paired with a good-quality DC power supply (think Uptone LPS-1.2

https://uptoneaudio.com/products/ultracap-lps-1-2

or Sbooster BOTW 9-10V), an UltraRendu can be a superb-sounding
digital transport. The UltraRendu can be put in SqueezeLite mode to
play from your existing server, or a number of other modes (MPD/DLNA,
HQPlayer NAA, Roon) for compatibility with different central music
library software. The UltraRendu has no analog outputs, though - it's
just an extremely high quality network attached transport to drive a
USB DAC.

If the good ol' Squeeze server starts failing to meet your needs,
check out Roon - it's what I migrated to from a Squeeze network.

https://roonlabs.com/

Roon can play to Squeezeboxes if you already have a house full of
them. Note that Roon works really well if you have a large local
library of your own music - they add extra metadata and link the music
together in a really useful way, and the user interface is beautiful -
but Roon doesn't have all the streaming options (including, say, BBC
integration) which Squeeze servers have acquired over time.
Definitely different strengths and weaknesses. Worth playing with for
a trial period to see if it speaks to you.

Either way, it's super flexible to have networked players like the
Rendus which can be flipped via a simple web interface to speak
different protocols.

Mnyb
2018-03-16, 00:00
2 pi3 ,one with a DAC and one with digital output board .

And then i placed the 2 functioning Touch it replaced as spares together with my spare duet(controller and reciever) and spare SB3 and probably another spare Touch ( I'll chek my storage :D)

left channel
2018-03-16, 15:24
Hi All,

I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been one of my best purchases. My hardware it mostly soldiering on but I'm sure at some point they will start to fail. I've had a SB3 fail and replaced it with a Touch, courtesy of Ebay. This works fine as an interim fix but my concern is the long term.

I've looked at other options (like SONOS) but none of them provide the flexibility and scale that I currently have.

What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

Thank you.

Sonos would be a lateral move to a new ecosystem.

A RasPi would be a deeper dive, potentially satisfying though perhaps a bit of a time-sink.

But what about an upgrade to separate components? Like a small outboard DAC attached to somewhat "turnkey" solutions like the Sonore ultraRendu (a headless player with Squeezelite) or a Small Green Computer product (headless LMS servers and/or Squeezelite players).

I have two Touch boxes, an ultraRendu, and a microJukebox, as well as Squeezelite-X on a desktop PC. I'll keep buying Touches as long as they're reasonably clean and reasonably priced on eBay, but at at some point I'll either build or upgrade.

majones
2018-03-16, 16:29
... but maybe in the long term that will lead to a simpler setup with no maintenance probably one of the smart speakers.
This is the direction I'm being drawn in, because my predominant use is of 2 Booms and 3 Radios, and the RPi solutions are all physically messy and complex when it comes to simple self-contained units. I have a HiFi with an SB3, and a Duet as backup, and it's nice to know that the RPi with DAC HAT can slot in, but that's not my main concern. So I'm experimenting with the Alexa Echos and Dots, and am surprised by how easy they are to live with. The MyMedia for Alexa skill provides access to my music library, and works well (so long as I can remember what tracks are called), and there are loads of streaming options (Spotify, Radio Paradise, BBC podcasts). Plus I can bluetooth from the Alexa devices to my waterproof bathroom speaker!
PS Plus Alexa synchronises across all devices to my Audible audiobook library.

castalla
2018-03-16, 16:53
This is the direction I'm being drawn in, because my predominant use is of 2 Booms and 3 Radios, and the RPi solutions are all physically messy and complex when it comes to simple self-contained units. I have a HiFi with an SB3, and a Duet as backup, and it's nice to know that the RPi with DAC HAT can slot in, but that's not my main concern. So I'm experimenting with the Alexa Echos and Dots, and am surprised by how easy they are to live with. The MyMedia for Alexa skill provides access to my music library, and works well (so long as I can remember what tracks are called), and there are loads of streaming options (Spotify, Radio Paradise, BBC podcasts). Plus I can bluetooth from the Alexa devices to my waterproof bathroom speaker!
PS Plus Alexa synchronises across all devices to my Audible audiobook library.

You can use a Raspi to run LMS and AlexaforMyMedia - add in a Google Dot with the castbridge plugin and you have another squeezebox player.

left channel
2018-03-16, 17:38
You really want Alexa, Siri, or Google eavesdropping on you all the time? At least give me hi-res music before I give up my privacy.

castalla
2018-03-16, 17:56
You really want Alexa, Siri, or Google eavesdropping on you all the time? At least give me hi-res music before I give up my privacy.

Quite frankly. I don't really care anymore - there are much more important issues they're buggering up than listening to my constant moaning about 'going to hell in a hard-cart'

MeSue
2018-03-16, 19:19
Iíve been enjoying the hands free experience with Amazon Echo. Mostly I use Echo for Pandora and Squeezebox for my music library (since Iím not as likely to be skipping unwanted tracks with my owned music). Itís nice to just say, "I donít like this song," and have it instantly banished from my station without having to find a remote, reach for the front panel, or dig out my phone.

I've been tempted to switch to Spotify so I can have one on-demand music service that works with both, but I am still holding out with Napster and hoping for an Echo integration.

My two two main gripes with Alexa for music, though, is with volume control. The lowest volume for music is still too loud if you just want low background music while having a conversation, and then if you leave it low for music, itís not loud enough for other things like hearing the weather or whatever. Also there is no replay gain which really bugs me. And itís annoying to interrupt the music every time you ask Alexa for something.

But it if I had to do without Squeezebox, I could get by with Amazon Echo.

drmatt
2018-03-17, 00:52
Quite frankly. I don't really care anymore - there are much more important issues they're buggering up than listening to my constant moaning about 'going to hell in a hard-cart'"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

...and, the longer read: http://tehlug.org/files/solove.pdf

Yes "they" are buggering everything up, just for kicks. Giving your entire life to every media company around is not a choice that should be the default, however.


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Paul Webster
2018-03-17, 02:25
I plan to stick with LMS for a long time.
I've bought a few SB2/SB3/Receiver as spares - but not had to use any of them yet.
Openpeak/Joggler make good Touch alternatives - I have spares for these as well.

I run LMS on RPi and have local player installed.

Have been experimenting with Amazon Echo (a real one) and Google Home (fake one - using Google AIY kit on RPi).
With the Google stuff I have it set to perform basic stop/start/volume/what song is this/ plus playing Favourites (by number).

With the Amazon Echo I have the LMS players published as Speakers - so can only do basic stop/start/volume - I use HASS as the intermediary for that.

I have tried using Plex with the Echo to access the same music library (and LMS players via HASS) but found it to be very hit and miss in the communication between Amazon and Plex.

The most used is in the kitchen with ceiling speakers. The amp is fed by both the Echo and a Joggler.

majones
2018-03-17, 03:31
You really want Alexa, Siri, or Google eavesdropping on you all the time? At least give me hi-res music before I give up my privacy.
I tried one of those Cowin DiDa devices where you press a button before Alexa listens (meaning more privacy), but the hassle of having to go to the device to press the button and actually having to press it was a massive negative relative to the Echo's constant listening mode. I'm no more worried about privacy than I would be on a phone call to my mistress (joke!). The hi-res music (with FLAC having to be transcoded to MP3 or MP4A) isn't an issue for the audio capability of the Echo. Another benefit of Alexa is that is works with my Harmony Hub with its IR capability so I have basic control my SB3 (with its hi-res capability) plugged in to my stereo.

majones
2018-03-17, 03:37
You can use a Raspi to run LMS and AlexaforMyMedia.
Sorry if it's off topic, but how did you configure that? I've got a RPi running LMS with piCorePlayer, and another running Squeezelite with max2play (because of bluetooth capability), and can't fathom how to incorporate the mymedia_1.3.61.0-1_armhf.deb file.

drmatt
2018-03-17, 03:47
Openpeak/Joggler make good Touch alternatives - I have spares for these as well.


Even they are hard to get hold of these days. And frankly the analogue sound output quality is pretty awful. They work great as a display/controller though.


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Man in a van
2018-03-17, 03:56
Even they are hard to get hold of these days. And frankly the analogue sound output quality is pretty awful. They work great as a display/controller though.


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Some here

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/O2-Joggler/162935484820?hash=item25efb63194:g:k60AAOSwQ19aoQW w

It's a fair comment about the analogue sound, but a little gentle hacking and with LMS installed and the EDO plugin they can output to a USB dac, just lioke a SBTouch, loike ower kid.:)

And the still download Mr Webster's Radio France Plugin, unlike another OS I could mention.

ronnie

Paul Webster
2018-03-17, 04:11
Regarding the Joggler ...
I have USB DAC in one - and it connects to the lounge AV system.
However, have been experimenting with using Philippe's plugins to go direct to the TV or AV (both have IP connectivity) using UPnP-AV or AirPlay ... or RPi running Kodi with LMS player add-on.
To be honest - it is used more by me to try out all of the different routes to the same speakers than it is to really listen to stuff.

For a small room we use the Joggler built-in speakers.

drmatt
2018-03-17, 04:27
I also found the squeezebox build on Joggler wasn't so stable for long term playback. My touch will stream iPlayer live radio for days and days without hiccup, but the Joggler* (edit) would regularly fail and require a power cycle (same if it was streaming local media tbh). I suspected the audio driver. Maybe that's just mine, don't know. Gave up with it. Raspberry Pi is the future for all things, imho. LMS need not die.


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KeBul
2018-03-17, 04:58
I also found the squeezebox build on Joggler wasn't so stable for long term playback. My touch will stream iPlayer live radio for days and days without hiccup, but the touch would regularly fail and require a power cycle (same if it was streaming local media tbh). I suspected the audio driver. Maybe that's just mine, don't know. Gave up with it. Raspberry Pi is the future for all things, imho. LMS need not die.


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Assume drmatt actually means "but the Joggler would regularly fail" and I would agree with this from my experiences, I found the Joggler touch screen to often be difficult and on one running SqueezeOS at my sister's had far more failures and hassle with it than I would have liked, many reboots required and lost network connections. Finally it crashed and failed to reboot into SqueezeOS, no doubt a re-flash required.

During the same period (and for many years previously), not one issue with my SB Touch, so I bit the bullet and upgraded her Joggler to a Touch and we've not looked back, plus the Touch is fully functional with our Harmony remotes using a "Squeeze me baby" activity which turns on the Touch, TV soundbar and sets the correct input on the soundbar.

For me Jogglers just weren't quite good enough to remain in mainstream use but are good for playtime and one did a sterling job for a couple of years, booting into Android so I could run a Dementia Day Clock App for my mother.

I did forget about the three Jogglers I have, so didn't list them on my previous post, but then don't really consider them as part of my future Squeeze ecosystem, although they could do a turn if needed.

Kev

epoch1970
2018-03-17, 05:38
Besides a stockpile of SB3s and piCorePlayers, I use Airplay speakers thanks to philippe_44's Airplay bridge. Works and syncs very fine.

drmatt
2018-03-17, 06:31
Assume drmatt actually means "but the Joggler would regularly fail" and I would agree with this from my experiences

Well spotted.. :)


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majones
2018-03-17, 07:48
My hardware it mostly soldiering on ...
I had a snigger, because when I first read this I thought you'd said "soldering on", which I thought was very apt for the way to keep your squeezeboxes working! Worked for my SB3!

Kaizen28
2018-03-17, 08:39
I had a snigger, because when I first read this I thought you'd said "soldering on", which I thought was very apt for the way to keep your squeezeboxes working! Worked for my SB3!

Very true! :p

Grumpy Bob
2018-03-17, 08:42
I presently have an SB Touch, two SB Radios and a (currently retired) SB3. I have never had a problem with them. I also have a Pi3 running LMS on piCorePlayer, and three raspberry Pi (of various vintages and DACs) running piCorePlayer as a player. So I guess my long term solutions would be in the Raspberry Pi direction (though I also use iPads as players).

Robert

Kaizen28
2018-03-17, 08:45
So... I really did expect this explosion of replies. Wow - thank you!

It's probably worth me providing a little more detail as to what I actually listen to....
1 - My own library (painstakingly assembled over decades (honestly) and ripped at the highest possible rate. There is a appreciable chunk (~15%) of my content that doesn't exist on the streaming services)
2 - Radio streams like NPR via TuneIn
3 - I airplay podcasts via a parallel source

The Pi options are intriguing. Whatever source I use has to have either RCA or optical or both. So, I'm uncertain about the DigiOne option.

Thank you all again.

chill
2018-03-17, 09:35
I've recently been exploring RPi and Joggler options. I have a Pi3 with a cheap digital output board so that I can output to my DAC - I haven't bothered with a case for it, so as noted above it's a bit of an ugly mess, but when it's hidden in a cabinet it's immaterial. I did experiment with moving LMS to the Pi, but it isn't quite as snappy as my 10-year-old MacMini, so the Pi is now just a player. To control it I have a Joggler, running Squeezeplay OS. I've turned off the 'player' part of the Joggler, and set it to control the Pi, so there are no issues with lockups. In use this setup is indistinguishable from the Touch that I used to use in the same location, except that the Joggler has a bigger screen :)

http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Joggler%20versus%20Touch_1024.jpg

left channel
2018-03-17, 10:03
So... I really did expect this explosion of replies. Wow - thank you!

It's probably worth me providing a little more detail as to what I actually listen to....
1 - My own library (painstakingly assembled over decades (honestly) and ripped at the highest possible rate. There is a appreciable chunk (~15%) of my content that doesn't exist on the streaming services)
2 - Radio streams like NPR via TuneIn
3 - I airplay podcasts via a parallel source

The Pi options are intriguing. Whatever source I use has to have either RCA or optical or both. So, I'm uncertain about the DigiOne option.

Thank you all again.

You really did *not* expect this explosion of replies, no? :-)

Just the fact that you mentioned "highest possible rate" makes me wonder if you'd be satisfied with Sonos long-term, given that their sample rate ceiling is 48 kHz and I imagine you might get into hi-res downloads at some point. Even an eight year-old Squeezebox Touch supports 96 kHz. (Birthday coming up! Born April 2010 (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch).)

RasPi offers many possibilities, while I'd consider the Amazon/Apple/Google products a step down in sound quality and options, even for those who don't care about privacy. (Recently while standing near someone's Alexa I found myself providing her a lock combination with hand signals, as if we were at a military base or embassy...)

I'm very impressed with the RasPi enthusiasts on this forum, but again I feel I should mention Sonore and Small Green Computer products as they would be less of an ongoing project while still offering wonderful upgrades to sample rates, SQ, and control.

Apesbrain
2018-03-17, 11:56
Whatever source I use has to have either RCA or optical or both. So, I'm uncertain about the DigiOne option.
While the DigiOne is strictly coax/BNC, Allo also offers a DAC board with RCA analog out. Alternatives with optical/coax or analog output are available from HiFiBerry as well as others.

A few people have mentioned spending more (e.g. Sonore) to get "better sound quality/SQ". If you are using your RPi as a digital transport to feed an external DAC, be advised that no one has ever demonstrated any difference in sound between the $130 RPi solution and those costing 10x that amount. Squeezelite on RPi will play up to DSD (via DoP) if that's your thing.

left channel
2018-03-17, 13:59
While the DigiOne is strictly coax/BNC, Allo also offers a DAC board with RCA analog out. Alternatives with optical/coax or analog output are available from HiFiBerry as well as others.

A few people have mentioned spending more (e.g. Sonore) to get "better sound quality/SQ". If you are using your RPi as a digital transport to feed an external DAC, be advised that no one has ever demonstrated any difference in sound between the $130 RPi solution and those costing 10x that amount. Squeezelite on RPi will play up to DSD (via DoP) if that's your thing.

"A few people" being me (and my multiple personalities? :-) I'll clarify:

• the SQ improvement is in comparison to Logitech, Sonos, and Alexa/HomePod/Home,

• Sonore/SGC/Vortex box solutions can be had for about 5x that PRi price or less (not 10x), and,

• less techie/hobbyist users may want to include the value of their time when making price comparisons.

Kaizen28
2018-03-18, 09:15
You really did *not* expect this explosion of replies, no? :-)

Yes - poor typing on my part. Thanks for that. :p

On reflection, I've been looking at external DACs like the Bifrost from Schiit. Consequently, the COAX option could be the path to investigate further.

Also, to the point that you raise, there is only so much time tinkering that I'm prepared to invest. Very true.

edwin2006
2018-03-18, 14:06
Rp3 + hifiberry + pcp is really easy to setup and can even being bought assembled at varies shops.

philippe_44
2018-03-18, 21:43
Personally, I would like to be able to make my Chromecast plugin work with synchronization and then I would have a perfect set between my real SB and AirPlay/CC devices. The PIs are good, but I would still replace them by a CC if I could. Maybe one day Google will release their sync protocol. I know Sonos will never ever, so I've given up on this one

markm9999
2018-03-18, 23:17
I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my signature below!).

To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality you are looking for?
What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.

You mention an SB3 & Touch - these display the currently playing title, allow you to control what's play directly on the device - are these desired 'requirements'?

I ask because just about any device can become an 'endpoint' using the SqueezePlay/SqueezeLite software, including as noted in other posts Raspberry Pi's, PC's, Mac computers, etc.

Also, for 'controlling' the music virtually any device can do that too.

I personally use the awesome iPeng app (iDevices only), and the equally great SqueezeCtrl (Angry Goat Software). Both of these offer on-device playback as well with an optional purchase (iPeng In-App, AG=SB Player).

So I use them as 'controllers', and the iPhone/Note 4 as 'endpoints' when I want to use headphones and be mobile - like when I'm working around the house or late at night...like now :eek: or I go to a buddies house for music nights.

Here is a screen grab of my iPhone running iPeng, and a picture of my Samsung Note 4 (Android Phone), an Amazon Fire 7" tablet, and an Amazon Fire 8" tablet running the SqueezeCtrl app.
The Fire tablets I picked up at Christmas time when they were running a special (3pk 7"=$80, 3pk 8"=$120), but any old Android phone or iPhone, iPod/iPad, Samsung tablet, etc. will do.
Many people nowadays probably have them stuck in a drawer collecting dust.

I even have an old iPod touch (2nd gen?) from 2007 (?) that still works, though the battery only holds a charge for about an 20-60 mins depending on if it's just playback (screen off) or browsing my catalog.

This is why I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this platform - there is nothing like it, and the supporting community is outstanding!

24745...24744

And for a mobile/low power always on LMS server, use an old laptop or something like this HP EliteDesk 800 / ProDesk 600 G2, G3 (G4 now?). I'm sure the Dell or other brands of mini's are fine also. These can be had on eBay for $250-$400 depending on various factors. Note, this shows a vented top - this is a HP EliteDesk 800 G2 w/i5-6500 (NOT i5-6500T). This Elite also has an extra fan under the HD...found that out by accident. The venting & fan helps keep the HD SIGNIFICANTLY cooler. Add a 1-2-3-4TB 2.5" HD (watch the height!!!) and there ya go!
An older MAC Mini also makes a great low power mini server.

All of these will have more umpf than any home NAS.

Use a Small Form Factor (SFF) model to use 3.5" drives, or to add 2 x 2.5" drives for internal drive redundancy. For a couple of friends, I used this hardware in concert with a DAPHILE installation - they are THRILLED with it!

24747

All: Feel free to PM me if you want more details off line...I don't sell or have any financial interest in the software devs, or hardware items.
Just want to share my experiences and pay back for all the 'lurking' I've been doing in these forms for a number of years :rolleyes:

No post like this is complete without a shout out to one Michael Herger for development, support, and encouragement of all the many developers/Plugin creators of this platform!

majones
2018-03-19, 06:44
To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality you are looking for? What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.
I don't mean to deviate from the OP's needs, but it would be interesting to know what others are using to replace the self-contained units such as Boom and Radio. I just want to walk up to a unit, turn it on, use it to specify what I want to hear from my local collection, and then hear it.

callesoroe
2018-03-19, 08:39
Hi All,

I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been one of my best purchases. My hardware it mostly soldiering on but I'm sure at some point they will start to fail. I've had a SB3 fail and replaced it with a Touch, courtesy of Ebay. This works fine as an interim fix but my concern is the long term.

I've looked at other options (like SONOS) but none of them provide the flexibility and scale that I currently have.

What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

Thank you.

Praying for a Transporter MKII :rolleyes:

drmatt
2018-03-19, 09:19
Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would fit the bill.


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usc95
2018-03-19, 10:04
I don't mean to deviate from the OP's needs, but it would be interesting to know what others are using to replace the self-contained units such as Boom and Radio. I just want to walk up to a unit, turn it on, use it to specify what I want to hear from my local collection, and then hear it.

You may be able to use this device coupled with Phillippe's Chromecast Bridge plugin: https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-Wireless-Internet-Bluetooth/dp/B071L8XYGD/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521478811&sr=1-1&keywords=grace+digital

Or, you could always build your own like some people have..https://pithesiser.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/digression-1-squeezepi/

majones
2018-03-19, 10:05
Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would fit the bill.
The "one box" Android speakers with a screen (eg Zettaly Avy) looked promising, using the Squeeze Player app controlled by Orange Squeeze or similar, but I was too nervous to buy given the old version of Android (4.4), reported battery swelling, and obscure branding. I don't think they're available now, and I'd be interested to know if anyone has had positive experience of this.

majones
2018-03-19, 10:20
You may be able to use this device coupled with Phillippe's Chromecast Bridge plugin: https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-Wireless-Internet-Bluetooth/dp/B071L8XYGD/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521478811&sr=1-1&keywords=grace+digital
It looks so much like a SB Radio!!!!! But unfortunately it doesn't seem to have a way of communicating with a local server (LMS or other) unlike the actual SB Radio. I've discovered that Alexa can communicate with a local server (mymediaalexa) but not LMS, so that's the path I'm looking at most closely.

castalla
2018-03-19, 11:26
It looks so much like a SB Radio!!!!! But unfortunately it doesn't seem to have a way of communicating with a local server (LMS or other) unlike the actual SB Radio. I've discovered that Alexa can communicate with a local server (mymediaalexa) but not LMS, so that's the path I'm looking at most closely.

MyMedia is very good - can run on a Pi alongside LMS.

majones
2018-03-19, 13:25
MyMedia is very good - can run on a Pi alongside LMS.
That's good to know. With your setup, can mymediaalexa read the playlists created by LMS? One of the contrarian quirks of this combination is that ffmpeg has to convert mp4 to flac for my Booms and SB3, but has to convert flac to mp4 for my Echo. Sign of the times, eh?

castalla
2018-03-19, 14:54
That's good to know. With your setup, can mymediaalexa read the playlists created by LMS? One of the contrarian quirks of this combination is that ffmpeg has to convert mp4 to flac for my Booms and SB3, but has to convert flac to mp4 for my Echo. Sign of the times, eh?

Playlists - no - you have to edit them sadly.

Recoveryone
2018-03-19, 17:50
I added a Pioneer Elite N50 to my LMS system to blend in with the main family room rig. I have 6 other Touches around the rest of the house and a SB3 and Duet on stand by in the garage. SQ is still and will always be the key point of any system you want to replace a Slim Device/Logitech player.

markm9999
2018-03-19, 23:53
I added a Pioneer Elite N50 to my LMS system to blend in with the main family room rig. I have 6 other Touches around the rest of the house and a SB3 and Duet on stand by in the garage. SQ is still and will always be the key point of any system you want to replace a Slim Device/Logitech player.


While I agree sound quality is an important aspect, some are more sensitive to SQ than others. Let's face it, depending on the listening situation, sometimes convenience trumps SQ.

That's why I addressed the original poster, since he was using SB/Touch, to ask what he was doing with it.

Others gravitate to using self contained Boom's/Radio's. As good as they are, they are lower SQ than a full blown stereo rig.

As per my earlier post, for late night listening or just a quick portable solution, I use phones/tablets plugged into headphones or other self-powered/portable speakers...even a 1/8" to L/R RCA connector at a few friends houses that haven't embraced the LMS infrastructure...yet! They think it's wild I can stream music to their house from my collection in just a few minutes.


BTW, interesting device. Is that using DLNA to communicate?

markm9999
2018-03-19, 23:54
Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would fit the bill.


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Yup! That too! ;)

Kaizen28
2018-03-20, 12:41
I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my signature below!).

To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality you are looking for?
What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.

It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup

Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My control is largely via iPeng or the WebInterface.

Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from when three are hardware issues.

korny@sietsma.com
2018-03-20, 13:06
Jumping in as a lurker :) I'm not sure why I still subscribe to this list,
nostalgia I guess... I haven't had a working slimserver for years.

My current solution is not very hi-fi, but it's fairly simple and quite
convenient:
- All my music is copied to a MicroSD card on an Android tablet
- I run an Android music player (Rocket Player is my current favourite, but
I've tried a few) to play music, select albums/playlists etc
- When at home I use a ChromeCast audio plugged into my amplifier to play
the music on the stereo. When mobile I use headphones plugged into the
tablet.

The only fiddly thing is playlist management - my main music files are
managed by ITunes (as for years I used my iPod Classic as my main mobile
player, and it's handy for organising and ripping) - and I have to use some
hand-rolled scripts to turn iTunes playlists into m3u files.

I also sync my music to a Plex server, which in theory I can use to play
music on my PS4 - but in practice this sucks, the music interface is pretty
poor and it doesn't seem to do playlists at all. I'd love to know if
there's any sort of PS4-based player that people like...

- Korny


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> markm9999 wrote:
> > I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my
> > signature below!).
> >
> > To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality
> > you are looking for?
> > What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high
> > sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a
> > simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.
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> It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
> 1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
> 2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup
>
> Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My
> control is largely via iPeng or the WebInterface.
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> Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It
> runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from
> when three are hardware issues.
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rgdawson
2018-03-20, 18:10
I have a pile of Duet Receivers. Looking ahead I once replaced them all with R-Pis running Max2play. They were not reliable, I had to reboot them frequently, so I switched back to my pile of Duet receivers. I think the reliability issue would be solved by adding sound cards and not relying on HDMI and that is what I'll do when the Duet Receivers die. But they all still work.

R Greg Dawson

Greg Erskine
2018-03-20, 21:00
I have a pile of Duet Receivers. Looking ahead I once replaced them all with R-Pis running Max2play. They were not reliable, I had to reboot them frequently, so I switched back to my pile of Duet receivers. I think the reliability issue would be solved by adding sound cards and not relying on HDMI and that is what I'll do when the Duet Receivers die. But they all still work.

R Greg Dawson

Hi rgdawson,

Have you tried one of your Duet Controller as your source?

One of my friends plugged his into my system a few weeks back and I was very (pleasantly) surprised. It does require some software loaded and RCA splitter cable though. I think you will find them better than your Duet Receivers.

regards
Greg

w3wilkes
2018-03-20, 21:41
Hi rgdawson,

Have you tried one of your Duet Controller as your source?

One of my friends plugged his into my system a few weeks back and I was very (pleasantly) surprised. It does require some software loaded and RCA splitter cable though. I think you will find them better than your Duet Receivers.

regards
Greg

So you're saying that the audio out of the Duet Controller's beta renderer using a 3.5mm splitter from the headphone jack of the controller to 2 RCA connectors into the RCA analog inputs on your amp is better SQ than using the standard analog RCA connectors on the Duet receiver to analog in on your amp?

Greg Erskine
2018-03-20, 22:15
hi w3wilkes,

Yes, it's all very subjective and I didn't do proper abx tests, but worth checking out if people have the equipment at hand.

regards
Greg

drmatt
2018-03-21, 00:13
hi w3wilkes,

Yes, it's all very subjective and I didn't do proper abx tests, but worth checking out if people have the equipment at hand.

regards
GregWell, battery power is usually beneficial for sq but I've not found the sound quality from the controller to not be that great myself. It also struggles to maintain sync as its clock isn't very good. (Perhaps it plays fast and this is why you might prefer it?)


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Greg Erskine
2018-03-21, 01:21
Well, battery power is usually beneficial for sq but I've not found the sound quality from the controller to not be that great myself. It also struggles to maintain sync as its clock isn't very good. (Perhaps it plays fast and this is why you might prefer it?)

Thanks for the feedback.

It was only a brief test. My mate plugged his Controller in, played a few tracks. Sounded fine to me.

regards
Greg

markm9999
2018-03-21, 01:25
It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup

Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My control is largely via iPeng or the Web Interface.

Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from when three are hardware issues.

Ok, so combination - easy hookup at times, but also more permanent higher SQ setups also.

Well, as I'm sure you've read, there are a number of ways to go and I expect these to only get better.

That's why I'm not even thinking of abandoning the platform, especially with all the people that seem to revisit it after venturing off towards other solutions. This just reinforced my decision a few years ago to stock up on existing older Logitech hardware. And with small DIY endpoints like the Pi which will only become ever more powerful & have better stability and integration over time, I believe the it's the correct decision - at least for me...

Finally, the community is still strong - which certainly is very important at this point.

Good luck and happy listening!

Kaizen28
2018-03-21, 11:38
That's why I'm not even thinking of abandoning the platform, especially with all the people that seem to revisit it after venturing off towards other solutions. This just reinforced my decision a few years ago to stock up on existing older Logitech hardware. And with small DIY endpoints like the Pi which will only become ever more powerful & have better stability and integration over time, I believe the it's the correct decision - at least for me...

Finally, the community is still strong - which certainly is very important at this point.

Good luck and happy listening!

Yeah... I've come to a similar conclusion for my needs. The Pi-based options are so tempting... it looks like a fun project with a low bar to entry. Stability is key for me. The stuff just has to work.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

d6jg
2018-03-21, 15:16
Yeah... I've come to a similar conclusion for my needs. The Pi-based options are so tempting... it looks like a fun project with a low bar to entry. Stability is key for me. The stuff just has to work.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

Generally speaking a Pi based player has no more stability issues than a true SB player. Occasionally requires a reboot thatís all. piCorePlayer as a player not LMS survives power cuts very well due to its all in RAM design.

TomAmes
2018-03-22, 12:36
Just added a Rpi/Hifiberry DAC+pro/pCP to my Squeezebox system of Boom and Duet with two receivers. Following Apesbrain's "How-to" on another page made it a much simpler process than I anticipated. I only hit one minor speed-bump which was quickly resolved with a couple of helpful responses to a question in another thread on this forum.

I didn't really need another player now, but I wanted to relieve my anxiety about what I would do if a player failed. I'm willing to take a shot at repairing one of my players if necessary, but I'm not confident in my abilities. I wanted to ensure that I would be able to replace them if necessary.

The pi player is working great. Now I will be able to move the player that was in that spot to a system in the den where my son didn't want a Squeezebox player "cluttering up" the system there that was primarily "his" as he only wanted to listen to his vinyl collection. Now that he has gone off to college he no longer has a vote :)

I will now re-focus my anxiety onto the Boom in the kitchen that has been doing yeoman's work for several years now and is still chugging along without complaint.

chill
2018-03-23, 05:29
I will now re-focus my anxiety onto the Boom in the kitchen that has been doing yeoman's work for several years now and is still chugging along without complaint.

Haha - 're-focus my anxiety', I like it.

I've had similar thoughts. For me the primary attraction of the Boom is the fabulous sound quality, with tone controls to tune it to taste. I almost never use the controls on the front or look at the display. So I've often thought about getting a bluetooth speaker and replacing the guts with a little Rpi (the Pi Zero W looks ideal). I've never got as far as researching a suitable bluetooth speaker. The Bose Wave radios also get good reports, so I've thought about buying one 'for parts' , and seeing what could be done with a Pi inside.

Actually, if my Boom ever dies it would make more sense to use that as the basis for a 'Pi inside' project - there's a class D amp in there that could probably be fed from the Pi. It would probably lose the tone controls unfortunately.

bernt
2018-03-23, 05:45
Audio Pro ADDON C5 is the best Boom replacement I found so far.

It has preset buttons for internet radio and with the AirPlay bridge plugin you can use it as a ordinary SB.

majones
2018-03-23, 08:58
Actually, if my Boom ever dies it would make more sense to use that as the basis for a 'Pi inside' project - there's a class D amp in there that could probably be fed from the Pi. It would probably lose the tone controls unfortunately.
The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current hardware availability.

drmatt
2018-03-23, 11:18
The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current hardware availability.There is no standard class D amp in a boom, there's actually four separate amps being fed off a custom programmed DSP chip so it would be a project and a half to make use of anything other than the speakers and the box they sit in, unfortunately.


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chill
2018-03-23, 13:38
There is no standard class D amp in a boom, there's actually four separate amps being fed off a custom programmed DSP chip so it would be a project and a half to make use of anything other than the speakers and the box they sit in, unfortunately.

Ah yes, I remember that from the white paper. Still, the speakers and the box would nevertheless be a good place to start :)

As an aside, I also recall from the white paper that some level of control over the DSP chip is possible via commands from LMS, and I wondered if these commands are documented? Out of idle curiosity, I wondered if it would be possible to use the guts of a Boom to feed a pair of 2-way active speakers, by perhaps by-passing the built-in amps and modifying the digital crossover via LMS commands to suit different drivers. Sacrilege I know, and somewhat off-topic, so forget I mentioned it!

agillis
2018-03-23, 21:13
There are a lot of new music playback software solutions out there now. Roon is a good one.

But Squeezebox server is still great. It was way ahead of it's time, is still very relevant today and has an active community supporting it.

There are lots of great Pi based solution that run Squeezelite.

Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.

markm9999
2018-03-23, 23:39
The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current hardware availability.

EXACTLY! Isn't it amazing a software (2001) / hardware (2008) combination that is STILL better than most anything on the market today...and with much of the software side open source to boot!

No lock-in or planned obsolesce here!

Lenovo recently released a special 25th Anniversary laptop that hearkened back to it's predecessor - the original IBM ThinkPad - due to a bunch of ThinkPad fanatics :p

Maybe with enough prodding, we could get Logitech to do the same with the Squeezebox @ it's 20th!

Let's see now...a Boom with a Touch type display, Bluetooth 5, SD slot(s), 2 Front/2 Back USB 3.1/USB-C ports, user removable/upgradable SSD drive compartment (M.2 slot also?) and with an integrated Raspberry Pi (or similar) to run LMS. This would kick ASS!!!!

drmatt
2018-03-23, 23:44
Re: buttons. Dead easy to implement on a Pi type thing. And you get to wire the buttons to any style of button you like, anywhere you like.

Big red nuclear button for your favourite track? Check. "Break glass here" safety button for peppa pig theme tune? Check...


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markm9999
2018-03-24, 01:09
Re: buttons. Dead easy to implement on a Pi type thing. And you get to wire the buttons to any style of button you like, anywhere you like.

Big red nuclear button for your favourite track? Check. "Break glass here" safety button for peppa pig theme tune? Check...


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Apesbrain
2018-03-24, 06:45
Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.
My hat is off to you for everything you've done for the Squeezebox community, but your product plus a good USB DAC should be a "better sounding" solution given that it cost at least three times what you'd have paid for a Squeezebox Touch. Nonetheless, where are your test results in support of this advertising claim? Have you actually put a microRendu plus DAC up against a Transporter in a double-blind listening test?

malaugh
2018-03-24, 08:42
The "one box" Android speakers with a screen (eg Zettaly Avy) looked promising, using the Squeeze Player app controlled by Orange Squeeze or similar, but I was too nervous to buy given the old version of Android (4.4), reported battery swelling, and obscure branding. I don't think they're available now, and I'd be interested to know if anyone has had positive experience of this.

I just bought a new Zettaly Any. My old one died after 3 years. I really like it as a bedside clock. The new version has Android 6.0. I bought it from amazon. The sound is just OK. I was running Squeezeplayer on the old unit, controlled by Orange Squeeze. My Squeezebox Duet died around the same time, so I switched to Chromecast Audio on my main stereo, so now I run HiFi Cast for my local music, and Tune in for radio and podcasts. I still run LMS on my PC, it works good as a DLNA server. I am happy with the new system, the only issue is gapless playback is not as good as the Squeezebox. I am not a demanding user, I play mp3s and never use whole house sync, so this system fits my needs

left channel
2018-03-24, 09:39
There are a lot of new music playback software solutions out there now. Roon is a good one.

But Squeezebox server is still great. It was way ahead of it's time, is still very relevant today and has an active community supporting it.

There are lots of great Pi based solution that run Squeezelite.

Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.

I resemble that remark! ultraRendu + a good USB DAC here. Sounds fantastic.

Also an SGC microJukebox running LMS for the ultraRendu, two Squeezebox Touch units, the Squeezelite-X player/control app on a PC, and the Squeezer control app on Android.



My hat is off to you for everything you've done for the Squeezebox community, but your product plus a good USB DAC should be a "better sounding" solution given that it cost at least three times what you'd have paid for a Squeezebox Touch. Nonetheless, where are your test results in support of this advertising claim? Have you actually put a microRendu plus DAC up against a Transporter in a double-blind listening test?

I can confirm my 'Rendu sounds better than a Touch, especially without an external DAC on the Touch. I'm sure the Transporter at least comes close, and I like AKM-based designs, though a lot has happened since the AK4396. I'm very tempted to grab one off eBay just to compare...though I'm not sure where I'd put it! :-)

But back to point of this thread, what would you do once all the Squeezeboxen are gone? DIY with RasPi? Actually I'd rather tinker with VortexBox on an Atom PC. But nah, I'll just trade up to Sonore and Small Green Computer!

majones
2018-03-24, 15:03
I just bought a new Zettaly Any. My old one died after 3 years. I really like it as a bedside clock. The new version has Android 6.0. I bought it from amazon. The sound is just OK. I was running Squeezeplayer on the old unit, controlled by Orange Squeeze.
It's good to find a resonance, as it seems that very few people on the forum (at least those that post) have much interest in the one-box solution. The RPi has spawned a whole industry of hardware (HATs) that fill the gaps as SB Classics, Duets and Touches give up the ghost, but I'd be interested to know if anyone has pursued something to replace the guts of a Boom or Radio with PCB failure? I know you can pull together components and pop them in a box, but that lacks the professionalism of the Boom, Radio, and the newfangled android / smart speakers.

dbwat
2018-03-28, 19:53
Hi All,
What are your strategies to keep the music playing?


Another long-term Squeezebox owner here, back to 2004.
My plan was to stick with SB to the end, but recently, begrudgingly, and sadly I swapped all my SBs but one for Sonos Ones.

Had Squeezebox/LMS-specific problems off and on with my network since moving to eero mesh a few years ago until eero ironed things out. That took a while and I spent a *lot* of time fiddling with the network and the players in the meantime. It was a hassle and I lost confidence in multi-room in particular, which is where I get a good bit of SB enjoyment.

In addition, my wife never took to anything but the Boom, and instead started carrying a Bluetooth speaker room to room. The needs of the whole house hadnít fully been addressed. This is probably worth another thread, ďHow can we get the family to use the SBs?Ē

So I bought a pair of Sonos Ones for my wife, intending to double-up on Sonos and SB in one room and keep the SBs in our other rooms. But we liked the Sonos Ones so much I bought several more pairs, and now theyíve taken hold. I took four SBs out a few weeks ago, leaving only a Transporter in my living room.

The shame is that the SBs and multi-room stabilized as the eero solution was hardened, but by then it was clear that we hadnít solved for the whole house, music is joy to the house, and Sonos is a better fit for the whole fam than the SBs.

Man Iím sad to retire the SBs and some lovely speakers, but thatís where we are at present.

markm9999
2018-03-28, 21:16
...Had Squeezebox/LMS-specific problems off and on with my network since moving to eero mesh a few years ago until eero ironed things out. That took a while and I spent a *lot* of time fiddling with the network and the players in the meantime

Had never heard of eero, but based on your comment I did a quick lookup - pressed play on there site 'commercial' and nearly spit out my adult beverage - 'with eero's, everything just...works' :p

I for one understand the fam issue is always there. My wife never even took to the Boom we have in our living room. She listens to music via one of the tv channels over the little crappy speakers in the flat screen. For her, that's what 'just works'.

So cheers to you, and keep on rockin' your music of choice - over the hardware of your choosing...

Now about the new Sonos One, with Built-In Alexa...Yeah, I don't think so.

drmatt
2018-03-29, 00:12
I've had no problems getting acceptance of the squeezebox setup. A few reasons.

1) all the CDs went in a box in the loft... and I sold all the CD players! ;)
2) universal remotes make switching the audio on easy in each room (even for the TV to ensure the TV speakers don't get used)
3) we don't have any Bluetooth speakers
4) found a simple SB control app (Squeezer) and it's a no brainer

I will admit I'd not consider giving my parents a SB setup, however, no matter how much I think it's a great system..


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mherger
2018-03-29, 00:49
> I've had no problems getting acceptance of the squeezebox setup. A few
> reasons.

My kids grew up with them - no acceptance problems there :-). They
started using the Radio/Touch at the age of three. They better
remembered the position of their favorite album within a list than I
would ever do. And with the help of a custom library view they hardly
ever got lost. Now that the older can read/write, Star Wars Rebels,
Europe's "Final Countdown" and other kids favorites from Spotify are
flooding our home... They don't even know the concept of a disc or tape
any more.

--

Michael

majones
2018-03-29, 14:17
Playlists - no - you have to edit them sadly.
I'm not sure this is the right thread for this, but I'm running squeezeboxes and Alexa Echos in parallel to explore the future one-box options. With the help of the developers at mymediaalexa.com, I eventually discovered that playlists created with LMS work just fine on Echos provided the mymediaalexa server is run on the same device (thereby having the same file paths). I also had some initial confusion as the Echos won't play FLAC, WMA, WAV or OGG, but mymediaalexa can link to ffmpeg to enable playback.

So I'm now happily creating playlists on LMS, and Alexa lets me call them up on my Echos too.

castalla
2018-03-29, 15:44
I'm not sure this is the right thread for this, but I'm running squeezeboxes and Alexa Echos in parallel to explore the future one-box options. With the help of the developers at mymediaalexa.com, I eventually discovered that playlists created with LMS work just fine on Echos provided the mymediaalexa server is run on the same device (thereby having the same file paths). I also had some initial confusion as the Echos won't play FLAC, WMA, WAV or OGG, but mymediaalexa can link to ffmpeg to enable playback.

So I'm now happily creating playlists on LMS, and Alexa lets me call them up on my Echos too.

My files are located on a NAS ... and mymedia playlists don't work for me unless I edit them.

majones
2018-03-30, 02:58
My files are located on a NAS ... and mymedia playlists don't work for me unless I edit them.
Mine are too. Obviously this isn't the right forum to sort out mymediaalexa ... but, is your LMS playlist location on the mymedia watch list, and presuming so do the playlists show the correct track count? If the latter is zero, it may be that the file format can't be played by the Echos, so you'll need to switch on ffmpeg.

castalla
2018-03-30, 03:58
Mine are too. Obviously this isn't the right forum to sort out mymediaalexa ... but, is your LMS playlist location on the mymedia watch list, and presuming so do the playlists show the correct track count? If the latter is zero, it may be that the file format can't be played by the Echos, so you'll need to switch on ffmpeg.

Yes, the playlists are picked up by MyMedia - but all are 0 entries. Tracks are all mp3. I'd like to sort this - any idea where to continue if you are willing to help out?

majones
2018-03-30, 04:24
Yes, the playlists are picked up by MyMedia - but all are 0 entries. Tracks are all mp3. I'd like to sort this - any idea where to continue if you are willing to help out?
I'm happy to help. Just start a thread on I'll do what I can.

castalla
2018-03-30, 06:30
I'm happy to help. Just start a thread on I'll do what I can.

Thanks - think I've sorted it . As usual my error in not keeping up with housekeeping of old accumulated files!

majones
2018-03-30, 07:41
Thanks - think I've sorted it . As usual my error in not keeping up with housekeeping of old accumulated files!
Good to know. I'll be interested to know how useful you find the Echo with LMS playlists.

pablolie
2018-04-03, 18:58
It's easy to get acceptance, especially now that stuff can be controlled from a laptop.

I am solo again, but both my ex-wife and my ex-girlfriend learned quickly to navigate to their favorite (and to me despicable, girl music ugh) albums very easily on their iPads. It was so easy for them that the hard part was to remain in control of what was being played when I chill - as soon as you turn your back there's some Christina Aguilera or Beyonce playing (shiver :-D). Way too easy. Now... could they have installed the thing by themselves? Questionable. Not because they're not smart, but simply because they wouldn't care enough to go through the motions. I have a feeling that 80% of people participating in this forum are guys, and guys that are a little geeky too. That's why I like this place. :-)

Oh, my mom lives with me 6 months out of the year. She *loves* the SB Radio. I set it up for her fav radio stations from Spain and Colombia, and all she has to do is push one of the preset keys.

The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)

w3wilkes
2018-04-04, 09:09
The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)

I don't think it's either the install or use of SB, they're pretty straight forward. The big issue is the ripping and meticulous tagging of your music that's required. The proper tagging of your music can make or break the ease of use of SB.

drmatt
2018-04-04, 09:48
I don't think so. Straightforward though I agree it is the sheer overwhelming quantity of stuff on every screen is what puts people off these things. Even if you don't have to change anything at all, presenting that many choices scares the living bejeezus out of anyone who isn't techie.

Just to add your music folders is a mission without an awareness of where *not* to click and let's face it even to get there you have to be in the small minority of people who actually want to run a home server. Most don't.

LMS is awesome, but in a world of dumbed down material design it presents approximately 1000 times as many choices as a novice needs to play their music.


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majones
2018-04-05, 04:29
But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)
I got into squeezeboxes because my wife and I wanted a bedside radio that would play the latest episode of The Archers on demand at bedtime. Reciva provided this very nicely until the BBC messed around with its codecs, so I had to look elsewhere and discovered the SB Boom and Radio driven by LMS with the fantastic BBCiPlayer plugin that by virtue of this community has withstood every further codec messing by the BBC. It's a real shame that Logitech couldn't successfully commercialise this concept despite giving it every chance, with Radios finding their way onto John Lewis' shelves, and the dumbed-down UE. I'm not giving up on squeezeboxes, but I can now play the latest episode of The Archers simply by saying "Alexa, The Archers" to my Echos, so I think I will probably drift away. It would be great if Logitech put their thinking hats on and re-injected some commercial energy into the project. For example, rebuilding the SB concept tied to their Harmony hub.

Zn0rt
2018-04-05, 06:01
So far the logitechmediaserver-7.9.0-1 on the CentOS 7.4 server feeding the Touch on the big stereo (with an ify iDAC2 USB DAC - does everything incl. DSD, really excellent), the Radio, Player 3 Classic, the SqueezeLites running on the Windows 10 PCs, the SB Player on the Android phones, and SB Control on the Androids doing remote control for all of it, all works perfectly.

Should any of the hardware fail (the Touch, the Radio...) I would see if I could fix it, replace it with same, or use a raspberry based replacement to keep running the Logitech the software.

-Z

dbwat
2018-04-08, 15:30
This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music, it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.

The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote, not all the commands were received, why isnít this working? Just enough friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room to room works just fine. In general it just wasnít worth it for her.

Then thereís the platform itself. Iíve had some networking transition pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but theyíve been unrelated to my familyís adoption. Just a little too geeky for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun, right? It is for me anyway.

The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct interaction with the speakers.

So Iím down to one Transporter now, and Iím not giving it up anytime soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community. And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in any room. Everybodyís happy.

korny@sietsma.com
2018-04-12, 01:16
In a separate discussion, someone pointed me to forked-daapd:
https://github.com/ejurgensen/forked-daapd#forked-daapd

This looks quite appealing - it has a long list of supported players,
including ChromeCast which would fit my needs quite well. Anyone here
tried it?

- Korny

On 8 April 2018 at 23:30, dbwat <dbwat.8ffjnc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
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>
> This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with
> the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music,
> it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple
> years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.
>
> The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be
> used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote,
> not all the commands were received, why isn’t this working? Just enough
> friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room
> to room works just fine. In general it just wasn’t worth it for her.
>
> Then there’s the platform itself. I’ve had some networking transition
> pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so
> I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested
> the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but
> they’ve been unrelated to my family’s adoption. Just a little too geeky
> for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun,
> right? It is for me anyway.
>
> The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I
> peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify
> and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct
> interaction with the speakers.
>
> So I’m down to one Transporter now, and I’m not giving it up anytime
> soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an
> amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community.
> And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in
> any room. Everybody’s happy.
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gorman
2018-04-12, 13:01
My long term solution is relying for as long as I can on my current setup (1 SB3, 3 Boom, 1 SB2) and the spares I have in storage (1 Boom and 1 SB2). If/when I'll run out of spares, I think Raspberry Pi should suffice. I'm currently at a point in my life where I think my SqueezeServer might end up outliving me, to be honest. And that's fine. This is a testament to the good that can come out of open sourcing a project.

The main thing I know I would miss with Raspberry Pi is the VFD display. Great visibility from distance. But nowadays I often use apps to browse through music and decide what to play.

sgmlaw
2018-04-15, 09:33
Agree with all the others. Stock up on spares and known failure parts. In my experience, the SB ecosystem has proven fairly durable and robust.

And knowing how to repair the known failure points on some models, and what steps to take to reduce wear on those components, and to work around them if necessary, helps enormously as well.

For instance, keep the VFDs on models that use them at low intensity or off as much as possible. Take it easy on the Classic/Transporter style remotes, which are known for IR emitter failures. The era of smart devices and apps has reduced the need for both. And don't crank up the volume on a Radio or Boom much past 40 if you want to preserve the speakers.

And for all those models with cheap wall wart supplies, make sure they are always getting clean, stable, transient-protected power. Nothing can chew up a piece of electronics as quickly as a low-quality, out-of-spec, failing or bad PSU can.

At this point, our inventory of Squeezeboxes and repair elements will probably now outlive me. But even if the platform ever became unworkable, the technology and marketplace has now evolved to the point where there are now plenty of escape rafts. Unlike in 2005, in today's era of 4k video streams, storing and streaming even uncompressed high definition audio files around in most homes is now incidental. The only thing irreplaceable is one's personal music library.

earthbased
2018-04-16, 06:57
Iíve been enjoying the hands free experience with Amazon Echo. Mostly I use Echo for Pandora and Squeezebox for my music library (since Iím not as likely to be skipping unwanted tracks with my owned music). Itís nice to just say, "I donít like this song," and have it instantly banished from my station without having to find a remote, reach for the front panel, or dig out my phone.

I've been tempted to switch to Spotify so I can have one on-demand music service that works with both, but I am still holding out with Napster and hoping for an Echo integration.

My two two main gripes with Alexa for music, though, is with volume control. The lowest volume for music is still too loud if you just want low background music while having a conversation, and then if you leave it low for music, itís not loud enough for other things like hearing the weather or whatever. Also there is no replay gain which really bugs me. And itís annoying to interrupt the music every time you ask Alexa for something.

But it if I had to do without Squeezebox, I could get by with Amazon Echo.

My biggest gripe with Alexa is no REPLAY GAIN. Why cannot Amazon implement that?

chamonix
2018-04-16, 12:07
I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been one of my best purchases.
What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

I have two SB3s I bought new, in 2006. Still have the original Slim Devices paper owners manuals. But one of my SB3s started randomly re-booting. I ordered and replaced wiFi card with daughter boards from China. But rebooting problem just got worse. So I finally dove into the used SB3 shark pool, on E-bay. I did lose an audio/RCA channel on my first Squeezebox, but with a digital output (Toslink) to compatible amp, both channels are back.
Got lucky with a good SB3, off E-bay with remote and PS for less than $100. All seems to work ok, on this used SB3, with some help (unregistering original owner on mysqueezebox.com) from Michael Herger.

All good now , with two SB3s up and running again!

yeomanspc
2018-04-17, 08:11
In my experience, SB rebooting is usually the PSU dying and not able to deliver sufficient power momentarily when the going gets tough. If you still have the old SB3, try a different PSU..


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chamonix
2018-04-18, 18:32
In my experience, SB rebooting is usually the PSU dying and not able to deliver sufficient power momentarily when the going gets tough. If you still have the old SB3, try a different PSU..


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Thanks for the suggestion. I now have 3 PSU units that I have tried with this "bad" SB3. No fix. I also tried removing the wiFi card and using it with an Ethernet connection. Still reboots. OTOH my second SB3 in living room works fine with the same PSU.
So I went ahead and bought a used SB3 off E-bay, see post above, (to replace bad SB3) that is working fine...for now. Bad SB3 is in storage.

w3wilkes
2018-04-19, 14:30
Next time you should just build a replacement Raspberry Pi player. Dead simple!
https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/how-to-1

JeffHart
2018-04-20, 06:50
You really want Alexa, Siri, or Google eavesdropping on you all the time? At least give me hi-res music before I give up my privacy.

There's an option source option that's not ready for prime time yet, but worth keeping an eye on. Mycroft AI is an open source AI client that doesn't keep your data (you can opt in to allow it be used for diagnostic/improvements). Designed to run on Raspberry PI or in Linux. Been playing with it, but haven't had time to start working on an LMS or Spotify skill yet. Company behind it plans to generate revenue by selling smart speakers, the software is available as open source.

JeffHart
2018-04-20, 07:23
I've been lucky, most of my gear is 9 years old, have only had to replace PSU for one duet receiver, fortunately that's working fine. Long term, I would love to go with Chromecast Audio due to size and cost, if the sync issue can be addressed. Not HiFi, but unfortunately, I can't really hear the difference anymore. Otherwise will go to Raspberry PI. Currently running LMS on one and very happy, using Max2Play - arbitrarily started with that and its working fine so stayed with it.

Replacing the radios and the boom will be more challenging - their are some Android boomboxes out there, so if/when I run into needing to replace them, would see what's out there before building an RPi replacement.

Dogberry2
2018-04-20, 11:41
So far, I've had no deaths in the family, as all of my various Squeezeboxen just keep on truckin'ó2 Duets, 2 Touches, 2 Radios, 3 Booms. When the day comes that I have to start replacing units, I'll see what is available on eBay, perhaps, or start switching over to Raspberry Pi units. But what's the word on Pi-based players and synchronization? I really have to have good, solid sync between players; I very often have music playing in different parts of the house, and want to be able to keep that functionality. It would be extremely painful to lose that. Do the Pi players maintain good sync, or will I have to worry about that?

chill
2018-04-20, 12:02
But what's the word on Pi-based players and synchronization?

The word is "flawless" :)

Dogberry2
2018-04-20, 12:17
The word is "flawless" :)

Just the word I wanted to hear! Thanks!

epoch1970
2018-04-21, 07:48
The word is "flawless" :)

Or very good.
If sync deteriorates, a soft player does not recover like a hardware player does.
To avoid the condition to appear, use a good OS/distro like piCorePlayer (runs in RAM) and a clean network.

Recoveryone
2018-04-21, 10:11
While I agree sound quality is an important aspect, some are more sensitive to SQ than others. Let's face it, depending on the listening situation, sometimes convenience trumps SQ.

That's why I addressed the original poster, since he was using SB/Touch, to ask what he was doing with it.

Others gravitate to using self contained Boom's/Radio's. As good as they are, they are lower SQ than a full blown stereo rig.

As per my earlier post, for late night listening or just a quick portable solution, I use phones/tablets plugged into headphones or other self-powered/portable speakers...even a 1/8" to L/R RCA connector at a few friends houses that haven't embraced the LMS infrastructure...yet! They think it's wild I can stream music to their house from my collection in just a few minutes.


BTW, interesting device. Is that using DLNA to communicate?

I'm sorry, I don't hang out in here much anymore. The N-50 has great SQ, but it lacks the flexibility like the Squeezebox devices are. It uses DNLA, AirPlay or direct USB input, I use it with My 4TB Storage on my network and use it as a DAC with a Touch.

earthbased
2018-05-04, 12:40
Everyone that sees my LMS system loves it. I think with QLMS it is much easier to set up too (Kudos DigiMaster!). Logitech ruined the company like they are doing to Harmony now (no software update for Harmony One???). I am using my Harmony One to adjust tonal frequencies on my stereo for LMS (Kudos to Michael!). With proper marketing this would be a success. Let the idiots go where they want.

dhallag
2018-05-09, 10:38
yea so this is a great question that should be seriously looked at by everyone. about once a year, I go out to see what's new. I've tried Sonos, Roon and Bluesound and know all those very well. LMS is still the most functional by far. Specifically, the Squeezepad app for ipad is still one of the best user interfaces and in some ways, rivals Roon (I just wish the author of it would let me buy it or make it opensource so it can be updated). Additionally, the way that LMS either via "Don't Stop the Music" or "MusicIP/SpiceFly" is an incredible next song engine that no one else even comes close to. Like many of you, I have a very large collection of music and just don't want to spend time creating a thousand playlists. I play an album of what I am feeling at the time and let the system go... it's awesome and everyone who comes over and see's it is amazed at its ability to roll through the collection in a smart way.

My issues are what everyone else has... there are still some wonky ways that LMS works. Ickstream, LMS, front end apps all need a good bit of work to get them and/or keep them up to date and I am unsure Michael, Philip, Pippin and all those who have created third part apps have the bandwidth to continue their work on a consistent basis. Once my touch endpoints go, I'll jump to Hifiberry. Tidal and Deezer both to FLAC streaming via ickstream but both have also decided to move forward with MQA so I do have a concern that at some point, they won't work via Ickstream. Future third party integrations are always an issue; at this point, I cannot thank Michael enough for creating apps for BandCamp and Radio Paradise.

chamonix
2018-05-09, 17:06
I did buy a Grace Digital Audio "Internet Radio and Media Streamer." a while ago, when I was worried the whole LMS server system ( mysqueezebox.com) might go dead.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/945/42017221951_0a1576c2f9_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/271Vfee)Grace Internet Radio (https://flic.kr/p/271Vfee) by

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/981/41117204075_a257af6240_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25DoqgD)Grace Internet Radio rear panel (https://flic.kr/p/25DoqgD)

Here on the rear panel you can see the various inputs. One can plug in a flash thumb drive to playback music (only in the order it was uploaded to USB drive) or connect via RCA jacks with AUX out to a proper amp, and AUX in from another source. Speaker jacks allow connection directly to (A&B) external speakers. For Ethernet connection, a special dongle connects Ethernet to the USB plug on rear of unit. It also can work off wifi, but range is limited.

It includes a built in speaker; grill at top of unit . Not very good sound quality. But it allows me to stream radio stations in the garage; KCRW, VPR , while working on a car. I have Ethernet running out to the garage with an underground cable (garage is separate from our home) but it will also work off wifi.. I should be able to link this to my Pandora account, but haven't bothered yet.

But my SB3s are much better audio quality, feeding my Pioneer receiver (via toslink) and KEF 105.4 speakers. Second SB3 in bedroom.

RonM
2018-05-25, 18:46
I was stunned the other day to find Dave Van Ronk's "Just Dave Van Ronk" on Spotify. This is an old (1964) album that for some inexplicable reason has never been digitized - you can't buy it from iTunes, no CD, etc. But it's on Spotify, and if I'm not mistaken you can hear vinyl noise, just like you can on my own rip.

My point is that the streaming services provide a "universal jukebox" functionality. All the music you want, chosen from pretty much all music that has been recorded.

Soooo. . .

I think if I was starting over I'd probably not amass a huge collection of hard-copy music, supplemented by a fairly huge collection of soft-copy music. I'd just go to the streaming services.

If my SB devices (Transporter, Touch 1, Touch 2 in storage, Radio 1, Radio 2 in storage, Booms 1 and 2, Boom 3 in storage, Duets in storage as backups) toasted, or maybe even if they don't, I think I'd probably go to the streaming services, and get out more to live music. Not sure there's a future in SB substitutes, slick as the Raspberry Pi might be. I'd be more tempted if higher-quality streams were available, and my local limited internet bandwidth was higher. As they will be in the near term.

R.

chill
2018-05-26, 02:14
If my SB devices (Transporter, Touch 1, Touch 2 in storage, Radio 1, Radio 2 in storage, Booms 1 and 2, Boom 3 in storage, Duets in storage as backups) toasted, or maybe even if they don't, I think I'd probably go to the streaming services, and get out more to live music. Not sure there's a future in SB substitutes, slick as the Raspberry Pi might be. I'd be more tempted if higher-quality streams were available, and my local limited internet bandwidth was higher. As they will be in the near term.


I agree - streaming services are so convenient, and for most situations they can stand in for a local library. I sometimes find myself selecting tracks in Spotty when I know I've got them in my own collection, just because..... well, I don't know why, but it's convenient and the quality is just fine.

But even if you don't rely on a local library, thanks to the efforts of a few dedicated programmers the Squeezebox concept still offers a fantastic way to access those streaming services. An SB substitute, such as a Raspberry Pi hosting LMS and running Squeezelite, STILL makes perfect sense and offers a great way to have 'whole house' synced players delivering those streaming services for peanuts.

amey01
2018-05-26, 03:02
STILL makes perfect sense

The only part I disagree with is the use of the word "still"? What do you mean still?

It always has made perfect sense. I don't know of any other system which does what the Squeezebox solution does. None at all.

Least not Sonos, who (after 15 years) still can't do high res, DSD or anything else.

And least not anything that runs on that flaky UPNP crap.

chill
2018-05-26, 03:24
The only part I disagree with is the use of the word "still"? What do you mean still?


'Still' as in 'even if you don't rely on a local library'. I agree - it's been the most capable and versatile system for years.

sander
2018-05-26, 11:54
My plan has been to get backups of the hardware and since the system isn't dependent on mysqueezebox any more it should be good for a long time. Ideally 2.4Ghz wifi will last, but if not I could do bridges.

However interacting with streams and podcasts is becoming more trouble as they change and the software can't adjust as quickly as I hoped, so that has been a problem. Lately I have been having problems with syncing between devices and some songs not playing for some reason, which I have been unable to isolate and I'm confronted with some of the old troubles of LMS logging not being great and figuring out which problems are due to the base server opposite plugins. I'm hoping to solve most of this by rebuilding the server, but time will tell.

This has gotten me thinking about moving to more of a platform independent solution bridging with setting up a network of piCores and then trying out other solutions in conjunction with them. One advantage to this would be I could use the Pis for other uses such as monitoring the environment, displaying information and maybe even something like mycroft.ai. This would be an engineering effort to be sure, but maybe it might be stable enough that it will help extend my use of Squeezebox by potentially migrating the podcasts and streams to a parallel system which could leverage the same hardware, network and speakers. In time this might lend towards using another system like mpd or clementine if they ever get to the point where they offer feature parity with what I like from Squeezebox.

At any rate I hope this is a while away. As always thanks Michael and co!

menno
2018-09-06, 15:16
Interesting to read what everyone is doing/planning.

For me I think it comes down to the fact my 4 year old son can say "Dad, play me the Trolls soundtrack", and he'll have to wait for me to do it, or for me to tell him I dont want to hear that again! But he can easily now say "Alexa play the Trolls soundtrack" and he gets what he wants. Finally got 2 Echos last month as a test, primarily to work with my new home automation.

But even the missus, who's been happy to use the Squeezeboxes all these years, now finds Alexa easier due to the voice control.

So unless I can get Alexa voice control working for the Squeezeboxes, then I'll suspect the rest of the family will probably end up wanting me to setup more Echos.

doctor_big
2018-09-07, 03:12
I keep finding new things to amaze me with LMS.

- running EDO into my new Hegel integrated, I found that the "next track" button on the Hegel remote moves the music ahead to the next song. I didn't expect that to integrate.

- signed up for Tidal, and in combination with Don't Stop The Music / LastMix, I'm delighted with the coherent playlist choices.

Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this ecosystem.

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TomAmes
2018-09-07, 09:58
Interesting to read what everyone is doing/planning.

For me I think it comes down to the fact my 4 year old son can say "Dad, play me the Trolls soundtrack", and he'll have to wait for me to do it, or for me to tell him I dont want to hear that again! But he can easily now say "Alexa play the Trolls soundtrack" and he gets what he wants. Finally got 2 Echos last month as a test, primarily to work with my new home automation.

But even the missus, who's been happy to use the Squeezeboxes all these years, now finds Alexa easier due to the voice control.

So unless I can get Alexa voice control working for the Squeezeboxes, then I'll suspect the rest of the family will probably end up wanting me to setup more Echos.

Preference for convenience over audio quality is a trend that I have found disheartening. Unless I am in the immediate area my wife prefers to listen to the Echo in the kitchen rather than the SB Boom. My adult daughter, her husband and all of their friends are satisfied with poor audio and video quality as long as it is at their fingertips. Some friends we frequently visit have apparently totally abandoned a small audio player of some sort in their living area for an Echo *sigh*

On the bright side my son who is in college is far more interested in audio and video quality even though he often takes the "convenient" route. The flip side of that bright side is that he entered the vinyl rabbithole a few years back, and there are no signs of his emerging from it.

But, back on topic, I recently built my 2nd RPi player and couldn't be happier.

w3wilkes
2018-09-07, 19:18
Preference for convenience over audio quality is a trend that I have found disheartening. Unless I am in the immediate area my wife prefers to listen to the Echo in the kitchen rather than the SB Boom. My adult daughter, her husband and all of their friends are satisfied with poor audio and video quality as long as it is at their fingertips. Some friends we frequently visit have apparently totally abandoned a small audio player of some sort in their living area for an Echo *sigh*

On the bright side my son who is in college is far more interested in audio and video quality even though he often takes the "convenient" route. The flip side of that bright side is that he entered the vinyl rabbithole a few years back, and there are no signs of his emerging from it.

But, back on topic, I recently built my 2nd RPi player and couldn't be happier.

Back when I was growing up in the 60's we all appreciated good quality sounding music. In 1970 when I got my first apartment my 1st purchase was a modest, but decent sounding stereo. Cinder blocks and some boards was my stereo "cabinet". Now in my late 60's and with hearing aids I still have a decent sounding stereo (I'm no audiophile) and Squeezebox has given me a way more efficient way to sift through my music without any loss in the quality of the music from my CD's it was ripped from. I believe the wife appreciates the ease of picking what she wants hear too with Squeezebox.

It's on a very rare occasion that I'll pull out vinyl to play. Most recently was when my 9 year old grandson said "Papa, do you have any records?". I said yes and he asked me to show him how they worked. I went to the basement and pulled out an album, fired up the turntable, gave the grandson a quick lesson on proper handling of vinyl, slapped the record on the turntable cleaned it with the Disc Washer and let it fly. I explained how the music is stored in the spiral grove and how stereo works in that grove. He seemed to soak it all in and though it was pretty cool.

My 2 Duets and RPi are just wonderful and with RPi I no longer worry about what I'll do if a Duet fails!