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Greg Erskine
2018-03-14, 01:03
Anybody tried running piCorePlayer on one of these?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-model-bplus-sale-now-35/

Let us know. :D

regards
Greg

drmatt
2018-03-14, 01:40
Ooo, nice little upgrade on network bandwidth. PXE boot too, no more crappy SD cards with a netboot setup.

Buy one anyway, I'm sure PcP will be need an updated kernel. :)


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Jeff07971
2018-03-14, 02:36
Anybody tried running piCorePlayer on one of these?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-model-bplus-sale-now-35/

Let us know. :D

regards
Greg

Wondered how long it would be before someone asked ! Answer: Not long ;)

I can't really see the point for a player, but useful for LMS I suppose.

POE might be useful but the lack of external Wifi antenna still means horrible plastic cases :(

Jeff

sdiesel77
2018-03-14, 02:56
I'd love to hear reviews from people who compared these new Pi with Pi3 and see if they notice any difference in audio quality :cool:

mcduman
2018-03-14, 03:24
i have placed an order for the new rpi and waiting for delivery. this is a good opportunity for the new version of pcp. is it 3.23?

Greg Erskine
2018-03-14, 13:53
Wondered how long it would be before someone asked ! Answer: Not long ;)

I can't really see the point for a player, but useful for LMS I suppose.

POE might be useful but the lack of external Wifi antenna still means horrible plastic cases :(

Jeff

LOL. I thought the same thing that's why I posted. :D Someone had to do it!

Greg Erskine
2018-03-14, 13:57
i have placed an order for the new rpi and waiting for delivery. this is a good opportunity for the new version of pcp. is it 3.23?

Hi mcduman.

It won't be 3.23. As Paul has done most of the work I'll let him discuss details.

regards
Greg

epoch1970
2018-03-14, 15:04
Well of course netbooting is extremely useful in a player. The SD is the most fragile part of a Pi, it is easy to steal or misplace. Get rid of it and you can conceal a player almost anywhere.
With PoE you can do away with the need for a power socket nearby. Unfortunately that HAT seems to use a fan, so it is potentially noisy and fragile.
They also say the new chip also includes improvements to USB booting, perhaps having an external system entirely on USB will be safer than before.

If all works as advertised, you could have a pCP server with one big USB drive (LMS+music+players OSes) and wired pCP clients dotted around the building, with a single point of install/administration. And not a single SD to fiddle with.
I think this release is big news.

EDIT. In fact the PoE HAT doesn't require the fan, it was just thought as a good place to add a CPU fan. The fan is controlled in software and can be left off.

Jeff07971
2018-03-14, 16:02
I expect we'll see POE/Amp hats in the future, and hopefully passive cooling. The latest POE spec allows for 70W at the powered device which is enough for roughly 25Wpc to the speakers
I cant really see a reason for the fan unless these are high power POE boards as the addon boards that exist today dont have fans.

paul-
2018-03-14, 17:08
The next version of pCP will be 3.5.0 (Moving to a new numbering scheme), which is seems that just about when we start to wrap things up, we get hit.....sourceforge, now this.

Edit. You will definately need new firmware for this to work

If you mount your SD card, replace the files on the boot disk with new versions from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot

Only replace the file names that match exactly. Other files are not needed.

epoch1970
2018-03-15, 03:33
I expect we'll see POE/Amp hats in the future, and hopefully passive cooling. The latest POE spec allows for 70W at the powered device which is enough for roughly 25Wpc to the speakers
I cant really see a reason for the fan unless these are high power POE boards as the addon boards that exist today dont have fans.

Just to clarify, in fact that new product is a "PoE + CPU Fan" HAT. It works without the Fan, but some business users use PoE for high-density deployments (in racks) (https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1285559#p1285559), so they've thrown 2 independent features into one product. The price is still a mystery but I'm not sure it will be cheap.

Paul Webster
2018-03-15, 09:54
Edit. You will definately need new firmware for this to work

If you mount your SD card, replace the files on the boot disk with new versions from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot

Only replace the file names that match exactly. Other files are not needed.

Will also need to copy of this one ... which is new for this device
bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb

Mine should arrive tomorrow.

Man in a van
2018-03-15, 11:01
Will also need to copy of this one ... which is new for this device
bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb

Mine should arrive tomorrow.


Just had a quick go at this, drop and drag in Windows works for some of the files, others may need deleting first before replacement (not enough room). I'll try tomorrow maybe.

Ronnie

paul-
2018-03-15, 13:07
Actually, the more I look at this, since this uses a new lan chip, the lan driver was only enabled in the kernel config as a module until yesterday. So even if you get the firmware updated, the lan chip will likely not have a driver.

There will also be a update for wiringpi to support the new board, It appears that the library functions are fine, but if you use the gpio utility, it will not work.

We could release pCP 3.5.0 without support, But I'm leaning towards holding the release until we get the changes for the 3B+ made.

Man in a van
2018-03-15, 14:07
Actually, the more I look at this, since this uses a new lan chip, the lan driver was not enabled in the kernel config until yesterday. So even if you get the firmware updated, the lan chip will not have a driver.

There will also be a update for wiringpi to support the new board, It appears that the library functions are fine, but if you use the gpio utility, it will not work.

We could release pCP 3.5.0 without support, But I'm leaning towards holding the release until we get the changes for the 3B+ made.


Ah, righto, I have no hurry.

I have LMS and Squeezelite (USB Dac) running under Raspbian anyways.

Wirrunna
2018-03-15, 14:26
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-w-joins-family/

wonton
2018-03-15, 15:00
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-w-joins-family/

Which was released last year.

Wirrunna
2018-03-15, 16:01
Which was released last year.

Oops !
Apologies, the way it was linked to on the rPi 3b plus blurb made me think it was new too.

huxmut
2018-03-16, 17:13
...We could release pCP 3.5.0 without support, But I'm leaning towards holding the release until we get the changes for the 3B+ made.

Can we have it as an alpha/beta ??
And adding some manners - please and thank you
:)

Greg Erskine
2018-03-16, 21:46
Can we have it as an alpha/beta ??
And adding some manners - please and thank you
:)

LOL. We are already up to beta 12! Lots of unforeseen things have happened....

huxmut
2018-03-17, 00:36
I think I'm still on 2.00 on one machine and on 1.xx on another... So no real hurry from me :D
As always, and Im certainly not the only here, many thanks to the dev team. This is a cracker ofa little project you have. We all appreciate your hard work :thumbsup:

mherger
2018-03-20, 05:44
FWIW: I run a little test of Raspberry 2B, 3B, 3B+, and Rock64 (4GB, 32GB emmc), connected to my aging Linux server. I used a pCP pre-release 3.5.0 for the Pis, Debian (Jessie Minimal) on Rock64. Cache stored locally on Sandisk Ultra 16GB (Pi) or the emmc module on the Rock64. All connected using Gb Ethernet, configured to use my Music And Artist Information plugin:

Raspberry Pi 2B
24758

Raspberry Pi 3B
24760

Raspberry Pi 3B+
24759

Rock64
24761

(Screenshots are in German, but I bet you get the numbers :-))

Disappointed by the Rock64's performance I run another full scan. But that was even slower... Only the "Optimization" (last step), which probably is heaviest on local I/O, was a clear winner for the Rock64.

This q'n'd test would indeed show better performance of the 3B+. Whether it's worth the upgrade price tag I'll leave to you.

(and to answer the initial question: yes, pCP will work fine on the 3B+ :-))

Howard Passman
2018-03-20, 12:49
Yay!!!

(and to answer the initial question: yes, pCP will work fine on the 3B+ :-))[/QUOTE]

Howard Passman
2018-03-22, 12:28
Hi Michael,

Did I misunderstand about pcp working with the model 3 B+? I tried it and other than the rainbow colors coming up, nothing else happens using 3.22.

Thanks,

Howard



FWIW: I run a little test of Raspberry 2B, 3B, 3B+, and Rock64 (4GB, 32GB emmc), connected to my aging Linux server. I used a pCP pre-release 3.5.0 for the Pis, Debian (Jessie Minimal) on Rock64. Cache stored locally on Sandisk Ultra 16GB (Pi) or the emmc module on the Rock64. All connected using Gb Ethernet, configured to use my Music And Artist Information plugin:

Raspberry Pi 2B
24758

Raspberry Pi 3B
24760

Raspberry Pi 3B+
24759

Rock64
24761

(Screenshots are in German, but I bet you get the numbers :-))

Disappointed by the Rock64's performance I run another full scan. But that was even slower... Only the "Optimization" (last step), which probably is heaviest on local I/O, was a clear winner for the Rock64.

This q'n'd test would indeed show better performance of the 3B+. Whether it's worth the upgrade price tag I'll leave to you.

(and to answer the initial question: yes, pCP will work fine on the 3B+ :-))

Jeff07971
2018-03-22, 12:34
Hi Michael,

Did I misunderstand about pcp working with the model 3 B+? I tried it and other than the rainbow colors coming up, nothing else happens using 3.22.

Thanks,

Howard

Quote from Mherger

I used a pCP pre-release 3.5.0 for the Pis

Howard Passman
2018-03-22, 12:42
Thanks. Where do you find that download. Google'd it to no avail.

Howard



Quote from Mherger

Jeff07971
2018-03-22, 12:44
Thanks. Where do you find that download. Google'd it to no avail.

Howard

You won't its "pre-release"

mherger
2018-03-22, 13:03
> Did I misunderstand about pcp working with the model 3 B+? I tried it
> and other than the rainbow colors coming up, nothing else happens using
> 3.22.

You'll need the upcoming 3.50

--

Michael

Howard Passman
2018-03-22, 13:17
The excitement is killing me.

Thanks Michael,

Howard



> Did I misunderstand about pcp working with the model 3 B+? I tried it
> and other than the rainbow colors coming up, nothing else happens using
> 3.22.

You'll need the upcoming 3.50

--

Michael

Zomby Woof
2018-03-23, 06:05
Glad to trip over this thread! I use Daphile as a server/source but am new to picoreplayer and jumped right in and bought the latest and greatest RPi.... I should have known better.
I am anxiously awaiting this release, even in beta.

Howard Passman
2018-03-23, 06:19
Good for you. I'm sure 3.50 will be wonderful. I have had so much fun and success with pCP and RPI's. I've got one player with a touch screen, one as a player+DAC and one as a server. The only Logitech player I still use with any frequency is my Transporter.

Howard



Glad to trip over this thread! I use Daphile as a server/source but am new to picoreplayer and jumped right in and bought the latest and greatest RPi.... I should have known better.
I am anxiously awaiting this release, even in beta.

kiffsta
2018-03-24, 04:01
Plus 1 here on the eagerly awaiting v3.5 release. Just bought the new B+ and a hifiberry to transition my LMS server/player setup too.
At least I know why I can`t get 3.22 to work on it then!

mherger
2018-03-24, 09:51
Plus 1 here on the eagerly awaiting v3.5 release. Just bought the new B+ and a hifiberry to transition my LMS server/player setup too.
At least I know why I can`t get 3.22 to work on it then!

In case you missed the announcement: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108852

kiffsta
2018-03-24, 13:49
In case you missed the announcement: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108852

If only all prayers got answered that quickly!. That is just fantastic, you people are so awesomely on it. Thank you very much guys im so looking forward to setting up later today.

best wishes:)

mherger
2018-04-12, 23:51
Just a quick warning wrt. the 3B+ power consumption: it draws more power
than the 3B. I did a drop-in replacement of an existing 3B with the 3B+,
using the same power supply, cable, SD card. At some point I noticed I'd
get the little flash in the upper right corner, warning about
under-voltage or whatever. I didn't pay much attention until I came to
realise that the LMS update would crash, likely due to too high power
consumption. Much to my surprise the limiting factor wasn't the power
supply (iPhone charger), but the cable! Replaced the cable with one of
those nice, bright yellow UE charging cables, and voilĂ ! The LMS update
succeeded, and no more yellow flash.

--

Michael

Jeff07971
2018-04-13, 02:37
Just a quick warning wrt. the 3B+ power consumption: it draws more power
than the 3B. I did a drop-in replacement of an existing 3B with the 3B+,
using the same power supply, cable, SD card. At some point I noticed I'd
get the little flash in the upper right corner, warning about
under-voltage or whatever. I didn't pay much attention until I came to
realise that the LMS update would crash, likely due to too high power
consumption. Much to my surprise the limiting factor wasn't the power
supply (iPhone charger), but the cable! Replaced the cable with one of
those nice, bright yellow UE charging cables, and voilĂ ! The LMS update
succeeded, and no more yellow flash.

--

Michael

Yup, thinner/longer cables have higher voltage drops at higher currents.
Have experienced this a few times

Jeff