The Automation of Selling Out

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  • SlimChances
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 2088

    The Automation of Selling Out

    Am 16.12.17 um 06:07 schrieb pablolie:
    >
    > mherger wrote:
    >>>> . Which is

    >> still less than the 0.00012 cents they'd get from Spotify.
    >> l

    >
    > .00012 cents * a billion is still worth more than $1 of a CD no one buys
    > anymore.


    Exactly. Your quote is lacking a bit of context: I was saying that while
    Bandcamp did pay the artists better than Spotify, this was only true if
    you actually bought on Bandcamp, rather than just enjoyed the free ride
    using my plugin.

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  • SlimChances
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 2088

    #2
    The Automation of Selling Out



    I could never understand the allure of services of Spotify which seem to spoon feed listeners rather than encouraging them to make the effort to research and find music on their own; through friends, concerts, searching music stores etc. But I guess I am out of touch with modern ways


    " What good will criticism be when all of music has coalesced into algorithmically preordained Muzak?"
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    • castalla
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2008
      • 6512

      #3
      Originally posted by SlimChances
      https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-pr...th-muzak-pelly

      I could never understand the allure of services of Spotify which seem to spoon feed listeners rather than encouraging them to make the effort to research and find music on their own; through friends, concerts, searching music stores etc. But I guess I am out of touch with modern ways


      " What good will criticism be when all of music has coalesced into algorithmically preordained Muzak?"
      Strange - I use Spotify almost 100% compared to the laborious 'DIY' process involved in in maintaining a squeezebox database, especially with playlists ... I can search on the web for some obscure 'tune' played in a TV series, then go to Spotify or Amazon Music, and add it to a playlist, which is then easily managed online.

      I've been defeated trying to find the BBC live sessions version of 'Wicked Game' by London Grammar .... any clues?
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      • Grumpy Bob
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 1309

        #4
        I find the role of Spotify (and other streaming services) quite interesting in a generational sort of way. I grew up in an era when finding music could be quite a challenge, particularly when one was interested in rather 'alternative' genres. I do have a premium Spotify subscription, but I use it to listen to music before buying a copy (either physical or download). I don't use Spotify produced playlists. I don't expect to have a Spotify subscription for ever - either the service will change or go under in some way.

        Spotify generated playlists don't reflect the music I listen to (the vast majority not through Spotify) - if they used last.fm they might be able to make a better stab at it!

        So, under my purchase model, Spotify royalties are far from the only income stream from me to the artist and record label. I'd love to know how widespread that is!

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        • drmatt
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 1323

          #5
          I think Spotify/tidal/iTunes are the future. Seems to me that buying physical media or even bothering to purchase digital media will be a side show, a curiosity for the old and nostalgic in ten years time. The industry wants subscription, and now it has a taste for it physical media in particular is under threat.

          I will of course be one of the old and nostalgic, but there you go. I do see it becoming the norm.


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          • Peter Galbavy
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 222

            #6
            Curated music services are just the status quo (no pun intended) returning to where the music industry was 30 years ago - and it is an industry with huge vested financial interests.

            I was working at the periphery of groups that were very much the utopians of the disintermediation fashion in the 90s, the removal of barriers between content producers (musicians) and the consumers. The music industry actively conspired to ensure this brave new world headed for oblivion. They actively seeded and covertly encouraged illegal distribution as a strawman to have something to hold up and say it's a bad thing.

            The result is Spotify, iTunes et al. Enjoy.

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            • slartibartfast
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 13503

              #7
              Originally posted by Peter Galbavy
              Curated music services are just the status quo (no pun intended) returning to where the music industry was 30 years ago - and it is an industry with huge vested financial interests.

              I was working at the periphery of groups that were very much the utopians of the disintermediation fashion in the 90s, the removal of barriers between content producers (musicians) and the consumers. The music industry actively conspired to ensure this brave new world headed for oblivion. They actively seeded and covertly encouraged illegal distribution as a strawman to have something to hold up and say it's a bad thing.

              The result is Spotify, iTunes et al. Enjoy.
              I don't have a clue what any of that means.

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              • bakker_be
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1037

                #8
                Originally posted by Peter Galbavy
                Curated music services are just the status quo (no pun intended) returning to where the music industry was 30 years ago - and it is an industry with huge vested financial interests.

                I was working at the periphery of groups that were very much the utopians of the disintermediation fashion in the 90s, the removal of barriers between content producers (musicians) and the consumers. The music industry actively conspired to ensure this brave new world headed for oblivion. They actively seeded and covertly encouraged illegal distribution as a strawman to have something to hold up and say it's a bad thing.

                The result is Spotify, iTunes et al. Enjoy.
                On the other hand, at least for Belgian bands, I see bands which have no record deal, who've financed, recorded and released their album themselves, appearing on iTunes, Amazon, Tidal and Spotify.
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                • bb1959
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 231

                  #9
                  Um, dude, you're doing it wrong.

                  FWIW, I bought my first album when I was 8...in a gadda da vida




                  Originally posted by SlimChances
                  https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-pr...th-muzak-pelly

                  I could never understand the allure of services of Spotify which seem to spoon feed listeners rather than encouraging them to make the effort to research and find music on their own; through friends, concerts, searching music stores etc. But I guess I am out of touch with modern ways


                  " What good will criticism be when all of music has coalesced into algorithmically preordained Muzak?"

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                  • SlimChances
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 2088

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bb1959
                    Um, dude, you're doing it wrong.

                    FWIW, I bought my first album when I was 8...in a gadda da vida
                    Perhaps but to me while there is a wealth of music to choose from quality has steadily gone downhill for over 20 years
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                    • castalla
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 6512

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SlimChances
                      Perhaps but to me while there is a wealth of music to choose from quality has steadily gone downhill for over 20 years
                      Can't argue with that ...
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                      • usc95
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 195

                        #12
                        I used to use Spotify as a "try before you buy" kind of service but now I feel foolish for buying an album when for all intents and purposes I have all the access to it I need with the Spotify subscription. I had to really take a hard look at how I listen to music and also accept that I cannot tell the difference between my lossless ripped FLAC collection vs. the 320 kbps OGG files that Spotify serves up on my stereo systems. If Spotify would allow me to upload all of the live concerts I enjoy listening to and could play them back gaplessly then I would only use that service as it would meet all of my needs. I do miss the old feelings of serendipity that came with digging through the used CD bin at my favorite record store and finding some music I wasn't expecting or being turned on to a new band by my favorite dj or buddy that I knew also had good taste in music. Something about that process was rewarding in a way that a Spotify recommendation just cannot come close to matching. I also find I don't give a new album a real chance to grow on me since I have made no financial commitment beyond my monthly subscription.

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                        • usbethjim
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 128

                          #13
                          Originally posted by slartibartfast
                          I don't have a clue what any of that means.
                          THAT was funny...I spewed beer.

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                          • bakker_be
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                            • May 2009
                            • 1037

                            #14
                            Originally posted by usbethjim
                            THAT was funny...I spewed beer.

                            Jim
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                            • d6jg
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                              • Feb 2011
                              • 8776

                              #15
                              In the UK Spotify has replaced John Peel? No I don’t think so either.
                              Jim



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