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captcaveman
2017-07-26, 01:18
I want to buy a new music player, probably for my son age 11 for his room
He doesn't currently have a phone though will probably get a cheap android
I use Spotify mostly and could get a family account though just for me at present.
Mu music is stored on the network, quality is not a huge issue for him, and most of my music is compressed anyway
I have a touch and like its simplicity (now that I have worked out how to get Spotty on it) and discovered all the other aps to explore
He has an amp and speakers in his room so something touch like would work, or even just a simple networking radio with a spotify account, though if it has a line out it would be preferable

Any ideas on players?? I'm happy to look for 2nd hand slim devices but worry about making my own with a RPi as I've never explored them
My other devices are 2 Gramofons and a Chromecast audio but Id prefer one with its own display

Cavey

d6jg
2017-07-26, 02:18
I want to buy a new music player, probably for my son age 11 for his room
He doesn't currently have a phone though will probably get a cheap android
I use Spotify mostly and could get a family account though just for me at present.
Mu music is stored on the network, quality is not a huge issue for him, and most of my music is compressed anyway
I have a touch and like its simplicity (now that I have worked out how to get Spotty on it) and discovered all the other aps to explore
He has an amp and speakers in his room so something touch like would work, or even just a simple networking radio with a spotify account, though if it has a line out it would be preferable

Any ideas on players?? I'm happy to look for 2nd hand slim devices but worry about making my own with a RPi as I've never explored them
My other devices are 2 Gramofons and a Chromecast audio but Id prefer one with its own display

Cavey

The following is a list of devices that can operate exactly like a Squeezebox that have screens

S/H SB Touch
S/H SB Radio
S/H SB3
S/H SB Boom - not really recommended though as there are issues with the screen fading
Raspbery Pi with official Raspberry Touchscreen
Android Tablet - Squeezeplayer + any one of the control apps
iPad or iPhone - with iPeng
O2 Joggler - in conjunction with or flashed with SqueezePlayOS


The following will output to a TV / Monitor

Raspberry Pi
Google Chromecast - with Phillipe's plugin
Apple TV - with Phillipe's plugin

The following are just audio

S/H SB Duet
Raspberry Pi
Google Chromecast Audio - with Phillipe's plugin
AirPlay Speaker - with Phillipe's plugin

All of the above work. I have tested them.

Then there are a number of Android radio type devices where it should be possible to install squeezeplayer and a control app

captcaveman
2017-07-26, 03:57
Thanks for that, nice to see a full list
In general its quite hard to find other devices that can do spotify and stream off the nework without sending hundreds, though now most AV amps have it included

What is the O2 Jogler like and how long do you think it will be able to keep running for? Dont want to buy something that will be redundant or need loads of work to keep it alive

d6jg
2017-07-26, 04:06
Thanks for that, nice to see a full list
In general its quite hard to find other devices that can do spotify and stream off the nework without sending hundreds, though now most AV amps have it included

What is the O2 Jogler like and how long do you think it will be able to keep running for? Dont want to buy something that will be redundant or need loads of work to keep it alive

You can buy a S/H O2 Joggler on Ebay for about 40.
You can run SqueezePlayOS from a USB Stick attached to the Joggler or reflash it with the full SqueezePlayOS - details here https://birdslikewires.uk/squeezeplay
As to longevity. I have one that has been running for 5+ years with only an occasional reboot required if it freezes (couple of times per year)
The sound quality isn't great but you indicated that wasn't the primary issue.

Note
If the sound quality isn't good enough you can use a Joggler as a controller only in conjunction with say a RaspberryPi

PS
That isn't a "Full" list. I am sure others can add to it.

bpa
2017-07-26, 05:03
PS
That isn't a "Full" list. I am sure others can add to it.

The Android Radio type devices (speakers, screen, 7in touchscreen and battery) which have a line out is the Zettaly Avy. The same product appears with different brand names depending on the country. OK Not great sound quality but ready made unit.

The price of the Avy (android 4.4) can vary a lot as the seller seems to run special offers every so often.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zettaly-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker-Internet/dp/B00WR3W2TA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1501069932&sr=1-1&keywords=zettaly+avy

I think this is the followup to Avy - looks like similar hardware but with an upgrade (e.g. Wifi n Android 5.0).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orbsmart-Internetradio-Digitalradio-Bluetooth-Stereo-Speaker/dp/B01279Y57A/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1501070072&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=soundpod

To work with LMS - they need Apps for control and/or a player.

d6jg
2017-07-26, 06:44
Just noticed there are still some new UE Radios for sale - it might need the "upgrade to LMS" thingy done but

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A22PBH8/ref=s9_acsd_zwish_hd_bw_bKzXtL_c_x_w?pf_rd_m=A3P5R OKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_r=418PKXCBDE05RDF56FY5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=300e8489-c068-5f15-ae40-a84b60f839b9&pf_rd_i=310195011

To OP
This is the same as an SB Radio but designed for use with a variant of mysqueezebox.com only.
In the Advanced Settings is an option to upgrade it for use with LMS - can't recall the terminology but its obvious - and then it becomes a fully fledged SB Radio.

epoch1970
2017-07-27, 02:50
I think the main issue with a "pre-owned" SB Boom is not screen fading, this happens too on any model equipped with a VFD screen.
The most important problem is that under heavy continued use, boomers may split their foam surrounds and you have to replace them. Play something loud and you would hear if there is a problem.

If you want to refurbish a defective Boom, it looks like user JoeMuc2009 is the man (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?82497-Is-Anyone-Fixing-Booms&p=885916&viewfull=1#post885916).
I make no representation on what he would do, but he has gathered and published a quite a sum of knowledge on repairing SBs. (Caleb Crome has been reading his blog it seems ;) )

RonM
2017-07-27, 05:20
In terms of immediate simplicity and low cost, if an Android phone is in the works, using that device as a player with line out to the stereo is an option.

I use SB Player in combination with Squeeze Ctrl, from the same developer. Squeeze Ctrl is my controller of choice, use it for all my devices. For direct listening from the mobile, you choose SB Player as the player instead of the other devices on the network (assuming the mobile has access to the wifi network), which turns the mobile into a squeezebox player (as the name implies). I use it with headphones all the time, as well as occasionally with a small amped speaker. With high-draw headphones it can sometimes be a problem getting loud enough, although this is not an issue for the vast majority of headphones, but with the stereo it won't be an issue.

The downside is that the phone is tethered, unless you set up a bluetooth receiver with the stereo.

One advantage would be that he could use the mobile with earbuds or headphones, sparing you the volume of whatever he's listening to in his room.

R.

captcaveman
2017-07-27, 13:33
Would the Duet with remote work in this situation? The duets seem cheaper on eBay than the radio or boom. Do they all have some form of output?
Can they all run Spotty, play network music and internet radio?

karlek
2017-07-27, 14:24
The Receiver (player) can indeed run Spotty, network music and internet radio as the Radio can.
Main differences are:
You'll need loudspeakers and an Interface like the Controller (2nd part of the Duet), a smartphone app or a PC where you can the LMS remote via browser, as the Receiver itself comes without any output capability.

captcaveman
2017-07-27, 14:56
My PC is already running LMS for my SBT and the house is all Cat5 cable or wifi. If I get the Duet remote and receiver can I then just phono output to his amp and speakers ? Not sure what you mean by receiver not having output? I assume you mean no visual display like the touch or radio.
Do all the boom radio and other devices all have at least a headphone socket out?

bpa
2017-07-27, 15:00
The Receiver (player) can indeed run Spotty, network music and internet radio as the Radio can.
Main differences are:
You'll need loudspeakers and an Interface like the Controller (2nd part of the Duet), a smartphone app or a PC where you can the LMS remote via browser, as the Receiver itself comes without any output capability.

Also without the controller - if you're not technical the receiver can be a bit difficult to setup - normally using the Net::UDAP tool http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?57861-Net-UDAP-SqueezeBox-Receiver-configuration-tool

karlek
2017-07-27, 15:35
My PC is already running LMS for my SBT and the house is all Cat5 cable or wifi. If I get the Duet remote and receiver can I then just phono output to his amp and speakers ? Not sure what you mean by receiver not having output? I assume you mean no visual display like the touch or radio.
Do all the boom radio and other devices all have at least a headphone socket out?

Sorry, I spoke of optical Output. Yes I meant, Receiver comes without visual display.
If the "remote" you're talking about, is the so-called Controller, and you get both, Receiver and Controller ( what's called Duet) you're all done to set it up with your LMS and your network. Otherwise take @bpa s comment as a hint that setting up the Receiver without a Controller needs some more technical approach.
And yes, you'll need amp and speakers. I don't recall if the Receiver comes with headphone out, sorry.