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dp
2004-12-28, 20:05
I have been considering moving my main home machine from XP to Linux for
a number of reasons, one of which is to get acccess to streaming BBC via
AlienBBC. I want, at least initally, to maintain a windows partition on
the PC and dual boot into Linux. My music files are all flac and reside
on an external 250Gb firewire HDD formatted with NTFS. My uses for the
PC are limited to slimserver streaming (one wired and one wireless
squeezebox), mail and web browsing.

Questions at this stage are:
1. Which flavour of Linux will give me the easiest time with the
migration, particularly when it comes to getting slimserver installed
and running smoothly?

2. Which Linux is easiest for setting up AlienBBC; are there any guides
for this?

2. Will the set up work with the NTFS drive or will I need to do
something special?

Many thanks for any thoughts on this

dp

Jack Coates
2004-12-28, 21:13
dp wrote:
> I have been considering moving my main home machine from XP to Linux for
> a number of reasons, one of which is to get acccess to streaming BBC via
> AlienBBC. I want, at least initally, to maintain a windows partition on
> the PC and dual boot into Linux. My music files are all flac and reside
> on an external 250Gb firewire HDD formatted with NTFS. My uses for the
> PC are limited to slimserver streaming (one wired and one wireless
> squeezebox), mail and web browsing.
>
> Questions at this stage are:
> 1. Which flavour of Linux will give me the easiest time with the
> migration, particularly when it comes to getting slimserver installed
> and running smoothly?
>

I tend to lean towards RPM-based distributions because there are so many
well-made packages and lots of support; of the RPM-based, Mandrake is
best and Red Hat is the most popular. SuSE is also supposed to be very
good, but is the least popular of the lot (which results in situations
like the Slimserver RPM not having a SuSE startup script in it).

There are Linux users on this list using all three of those, Debian,
Gentoo, and Slackware. There are also BSD users, and I seem to recall
one Solaris user (shudder).

> 2. Which Linux is easiest for setting up AlienBBC; are there any guides
> for this?
>

Doesn't matter.

> 2. Will the set up work with the NTFS drive or will I need to do
> something special?
>

NTFS is going to be read-only. There is a project to use your windows
driver in an emulation layer, called captive -- however, it has not kept
up with recent kernel developments and I found it to be unstable with
Mandrake 10.1.

http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/

I would expect that it would work with Debian-based systems, which tend
to be more conservative about jumping on the latest kernel, and indeed a
little bit of googling shows that it's working in the current Ubuntu
release and Knoppix 3.4 (current is 3.7).

I would also spend some time researching firewire in Linux to make sure
it's up to speed -- USB 2.0 is not there yet. I'm fairly sure firewire
will work, but do hunt around and make certain for yourself.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Jules Taplin
2004-12-29, 06:10
Hi dp.

AlienBBC should work with just about any linux of your choice. In terms
of preference, my development is all based on Redhat... I believe Craig
uses Mandrake, and I couldn't tell you what Triode uses. So... either of
those should be OK. Given I wrote the installation instructions - the
ones that I know will work best are the RedHat ones.

As far as guides are concerned... what you've got is here:
http://www.mrtickle.org/alienbbc_install.html

Oh. And it's only fair to warn you - Triode is a fair way along with
patches that allow AlienBBC to work on Windows... so If you can stand to
hold out for a little while, the whole thing may become unnecessary. ;)


-- Jules

dp wrote:

> I have been considering moving my main home machine from XP to Linux
> for a number of reasons, one of which is to get acccess to streaming
> BBC via AlienBBC. I want, at least initally, to maintain a windows
> partition on the PC and dual boot into Linux. My music files are all
> flac and reside on an external 250Gb firewire HDD formatted with
> NTFS. My uses for the PC are limited to slimserver streaming (one
> wired and one wireless squeezebox), mail and web browsing.
>
> Questions at this stage are:
> 1. Which flavour of Linux will give me the easiest time with the
> migration, particularly when it comes to getting slimserver installed
> and running smoothly?
>
> 2. Which Linux is easiest for setting up AlienBBC; are there any
> guides for this?
>
> 2. Will the set up work with the NTFS drive or will I need to do
> something special?
>
> Many thanks for any thoughts on this
>
> dp
>

Jim
2004-12-29, 08:25
dp wrote:
> I have been considering moving my main home machine from XP to Linux for
> a number of reasons, one of which is to get acccess to streaming BBC via
> AlienBBC. I want, at least initally, to maintain a windows partition on
> the PC and dual boot into Linux. My music files are all flac and reside
> on an external 250Gb firewire HDD formatted with NTFS. My uses for the
> PC are limited to slimserver streaming (one wired and one wireless
> squeezebox), mail and web browsing.

If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion; don't dual-boot. It's
possible, and I'm sure there are people reading this who will disagree,
but it's more of a pain that it's worth.

Buy another cheap PC and put Linux on it, my 2.4GHz Celeron cost under
$375 new, or get an older system off eBay. It doesn't take much to run
Linux, a 1GHz system with 256MB of RAM is more than enough.

Alternately, get VMWare Workstation for $189 that'll let you run Windows
and Linux at the same time on a single system. www.vmware.com

J

dp
2004-12-29, 08:50
Jim,
Thank you for your comments regarding dual booting. I'm sure you're
right about this being a less than ideal arrangement but for me it is a
kind of 'halfway house' in my transition to Linux. I do expect to be
fully on Mandrake within a couple of weeks but for now do not feel
comfortable dumping XP completely but want ot know that it is still
there if I need it and until I can be sure I have duplicated all of my
key tasks such as ripping to flac and tag editing, etc. My research so
far indicates this will be possible (and probably more easily than I had
thought) but I don't want to burn my bridges just yet.

A second linux-only box might be the way to go but again that decision
will follow a week or so of evaluation of linux on my current box in
dual boot mode (assuming my pending Mandrake install goes satisfactorily
tonight).

Thanks again

dp

Jim wrote:

> dp wrote:
>
>> I have been considering moving my main home machine from XP to Linux
>> for a number of reasons, one of which is to get acccess to streaming
>> BBC via AlienBBC. I want, at least initally, to maintain a windows
>> partition on the PC and dual boot into Linux. My music files are all
>> flac and reside on an external 250Gb firewire HDD formatted with
>> NTFS. My uses for the PC are limited to slimserver streaming (one
>> wired and one wireless squeezebox), mail and web browsing.
>
>
> If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion; don't dual-boot. It's
> possible, and I'm sure there are people reading this who will
> disagree, but it's more of a pain that it's worth.
>
> Buy another cheap PC and put Linux on it, my 2.4GHz Celeron cost under
> $375 new, or get an older system off eBay. It doesn't take much to run
> Linux, a 1GHz system with 256MB of RAM is more than enough.
>
> Alternately, get VMWare Workstation for $189 that'll let you run
> Windows and Linux at the same time on a single system. www.vmware.com
>
> J
>
>

dp
2004-12-29, 08:59
Jules,
many thanks for your comments. I might have been persuaded to wait for
the windows version of AlienBBC but having looked at and thought about
a move to linux for some time I am going ahead with Mandrake and will be
attempting to set up Alien on that platform. Still, its good to know
that the windows community will soon be able to listen to BBC streams as
well and, you never know, I may end up back in xp land again if my linux
experience does not do for me what I am hoping.

Regards
dp

Jules Taplin wrote:

> Hi dp.
>
> AlienBBC should work with just about any linux of your choice. In
> terms of preference, my development is all based on Redhat... I
> believe Craig uses Mandrake, and I couldn't tell you what Triode uses.
> So... either of those should be OK. Given I wrote the installation
> instructions - the ones that I know will work best are the RedHat ones.
>
> As far as guides are concerned... what you've got is here:
> http://www.mrtickle.org/alienbbc_install.html
>
> Oh. And it's only fair to warn you - Triode is a fair way along with
> patches that allow AlienBBC to work on Windows... so If you can stand
> to hold out for a little while, the whole thing may become
> unnecessary. ;)
>
>
> -- Jules
>

Jules Taplin
2004-12-29, 12:17
Hehe.

Well... personally, dp - don't let me discourage you. I'd _FAR_ rather
support your endeavours on Linux than on windows. ;)

More power to your elbow!


-- Jules


dp wrote:

> Jules,
> many thanks for your comments. I might have been persuaded to wait
> for the windows version of AlienBBC but having looked at and thought
> about a move to linux for some time I am going ahead with Mandrake and
> will be attempting to set up Alien on that platform. Still, its good
> to know that the windows community will soon be able to listen to BBC
> streams as well and, you never know, I may end up back in xp land
> again if my linux experience does not do for me what I am hoping.
>
> Regards
> dp
>
> Jules Taplin wrote:
>
>> Hi dp.
>>
>> AlienBBC should work with just about any linux of your choice. In
>> terms of preference, my development is all based on Redhat... I
>> believe Craig uses Mandrake, and I couldn't tell you what Triode
>> uses. So... either of those should be OK. Given I wrote the
>> installation instructions - the ones that I know will work best are
>> the RedHat ones.
>>
>> As far as guides are concerned... what you've got is here:
>> http://www.mrtickle.org/alienbbc_install.html
>>
>> Oh. And it's only fair to warn you - Triode is a fair way along with
>> patches that allow AlienBBC to work on Windows... so If you can stand
>> to hold out for a little while, the whole thing may become
>> unnecessary. ;)
>>
>>
>> -- Jules
>>
>
>

Matthew Horn
2004-12-29, 12:22
"dp" <dpilgrim (AT) exasia (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:41D2D244.4040507 (AT) exasia (DOT) net...
> Jim,
> Thank you for your comments regarding dual booting. I'm sure you're right
> about this being a less than ideal arrangement

If you do dual boot, grab yourself a program called XOSL, it's freeware and
I use it on around 200 laptops which requier dual boot systems.

--
Matthew

Jeff Fila
2005-01-05, 12:13
dp - if you are still considering this... take a look at ClarkConnect.
www.clarkconnect.org

I've been running slimserver on it off and on for about 2 years (I
keep switching my server from CC to windows every once in a while just
to try new things).

It is completely free and open source and was created to be a
router/firewall. It also includes SAMBA for file sharing, and
applications to make it a mail server, web server (with dynamic DNS),
print server, and much more. You manage just like a SOHO router with a
web-based management console from any web browser on your network.

The install is insanely easy and is only about 200MB. They are getting
ready to release version 3.0 soon.

Check it out.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:22:14 -0000, Matthew Horn
<matthew.horn (AT) spamcop (DOT) net> wrote:
>
> "dp" <dpilgrim (AT) exasia (DOT) net> wrote in message
> news:41D2D244.4040507 (AT) exasia (DOT) net...
> > Jim,
> > Thank you for your comments regarding dual booting. I'm sure you're right
> > about this being a less than ideal arrangement
>
> If you do dual boot, grab yourself a program called XOSL, it's freeware and
> I use it on around 200 laptops which requier dual boot systems.
>
> --
> Matthew
>
>
>