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liffy99
2017-02-17, 07:13
Not quite sure where to post this but here goes.
For some years I have been running an Apple IMac as my main PC which is hooked up to a Vortexbox device running LMS (and thence to router etc).
It's been OK-ish - a bit awkward at times for someone with very little knowledge of Linux, networking etc but seems stable at the moment.
However it does get a little frustrating when things go wrong (have to find my way around Terminal, SSH, Linux commands etc) and there are often file access problems getting the Mac to access music files on the Vortexbox device (as well as the Mac not natively working with FLAC files).

So, thought it might be time for a wholesale change and start from scratch.

I am drawn to the concept of a fanless, silent PC with SSD drive(s) to do both jobs - be the workhorse of my usual computing activity (eg office applications, mail, internet etc) as well as host my music. Being low power I don't mind leaving this switched on (low power consumption was one attraction of the VB device). I'm happy to move back to Windows and away from Apple's restrictive universe.

So, is this simply a question of building the new PC, loading a copy of Vortexbox software on it, copying over my music library (FLAC with a mirror MP3 version for the car) hooking up to the router and off I go ? Would be so much easier to not run 'headless' and also give me access to better file management software such as Media Monkey. Or are there other alternatives (I know nothing of JRiver etc).

Answers on a postcard much appreciated.

alfista
2017-02-17, 08:20
I don't think you want to do that.
Using Vortexbox as a general operating system for your everyday tasks would be possible albeit certainly clunky and you would then be in Linux all the time.
Running some kind of virtualization so you have two operating systems on the same hardware (Vortexbox and an OS of your choice) would not make things easier to maintain than having Vortexbox on a separate box as you have today.
What parts of Vortexbox do you use? If all you use is LMS, why not install that on your new machine, be it MacOS or Windows?

d6jg
2017-02-17, 09:47
Vortexbox is a Linux (Fedora) operating system with LMS installed on it plus the CD ripping tools.

As above you can't run it in Windows or OSX except with a Virtual Machine.

You could install the OSX version of LMS on your iMac.
You could get a Windows box and install the Windows version of LMS
You could buy a Raspberry Pi and install LMS on that

How large is your library ? Do you use the Vortexbox for auto ripping or do you use your iMac ?

philippe_44
2017-02-17, 12:41
Maybe I'm missing the objective here, but what not simply having a dedicated raspberry pi3 with Max2Play or PiCorePlayer (could work with a plain Raspbian distribution, but that's a bit more Linux tinkering required). Buy a box or an assembled kit and you have a cheap, fanless, powerfull, small computer dedicated LMS server which is probably a better option. Your audio files (depending on your library size) can be on the SD card or on a external larger SSD. Put it somewhere and forget it.

liffy99
2017-02-17, 15:47
I use the Vortexbox device for auto-ripping CDs and running LMS.
My Raspberry Pi, running Picoreplayer, is at the other end of the chain, feeding my amp with an SPDIF output.
So would I be right in that I just need to load a Windows version of LMS onto a Windows PC and manually rip CDs ( with EAC for instance).
What would I lose not having Vortexbox software - incremental backups, auto upgrade of LMS (not that that has ever worked for me) . . . .
Library is approx 1200 albums.

Mnyb
2017-02-18, 00:37
If you want a linux desktop get any popular linux desitop distro.

Its usually anpiece of cake installng lms there

liffy99
2017-02-18, 09:23
er, no - I do not want a Linux PC.
Accessing my music is a secondary consideration - I was exploring the option / ease of simply having one computer (probably Windows) to perform usual PC functions AND hosting my music library and running LMS (or similar) to stream content over wifi to my raspberry pi.

That would mean I can ditch both my current IMac and Vortexbox device and have but one box (a quiet, fanless Windows based PC).

But I am assuming I would miss the convenience features that the Vortexbox software offers - such as auto ripping, incremental backups, library mirroring (eg FLAC to MP3). I can do al those things manually - it's just more bother.

What about alternatives to LMS or Vortexbox SW - I know nothing of alternatives - is JRiver one ? Does that both manage the library, rip and encode etc ?

Thanks

philippe_44
2017-02-19, 11:34
er, no - I do not want a Linux PC.
Accessing my music is a secondary consideration - I was exploring the option / ease of simply having one computer (probably Windows) to perform usual PC functions AND hosting my music library and running LMS (or similar) to stream content over wifi to my raspberry pi.

That would mean I can ditch both my current IMac and Vortexbox device and have but one box (a quiet, fanless Windows based PC).

But I am assuming I would miss the convenience features that the Vortexbox software offers - such as auto ripping, incremental backups, library mirroring (eg FLAC to MP3). I can do al those things manually - it's just more bother.

What about alternatives to LMS or Vortexbox SW - I know nothing of alternatives - is JRiver one ? Does that both manage the library, rip and encode etc ?

Thanks

In that case, having LMS under Windows is fine, that's my main system. And if you like VB a lot, then run it inside a VirtualBox virtual machine. I'm using that for my tests when somebody has an issue with my plugins and VB. If you want to, you should be able to have your music files on your Windows partition and have the VB mounting that directory using "shared folders"

reinholdk
2017-02-20, 05:04
And if you like VB a lot, then run it inside a VirtualBox virtual machine.

And by that you could still use the auto ripping feature of VB, if you like.

alfista
2017-02-20, 06:50
I read the question as mainly being a matter of making things more robust and easier to use, and I don't see running VB on a virtual machine doing anything for ease of use, possibly the opposite. It will be just as "headless" and the default install will probably require a bit of tweaking if you want to keep the music collection in the host OS file system.
Virtualization is pretty neat, but perhaps not the answer to the question at hand.
I really don't have much of advice, it's not easy to come up with a simple solution that ticks all of the boxes (autorip, incremental backups etc), for such a use case I believe a dedicated server with VB is the least bad option.

Apesbrain
2017-02-20, 06:56
What about alternatives to LMS or Vortexbox SW - I know nothing of alternatives - is JRiver one ? Does that both manage the library, rip and encode etc ?
You need LMS (Vortexbox runs LMS) to serve music to your Squeezebox players. It pretty much just runs in the background on Windows. J River is a fine media manager/ripper/tagger; MediaMonkey, MusicBee, Nightingale, and foobar2000 are alternatives.

d6jg
2017-02-20, 07:16
I read the question as mainly being a matter of making things more robust and easier to use, and I don't see running VB on a virtual machine doing anything for ease of use, possibly the opposite. It will be just as "headless" and the default install will probably require a bit of tweaking if you want to keep the music collection in the host OS file system.
Virtualization is pretty neat, but perhaps not the answer to the question at hand.
I really don't have much of advice, it's not easy to come up with a simple solution that ticks all of the boxes (autorip, incremental backups etc), for such a use case I believe a dedicated server with VB is the least bad option.

I tend to agree based on the limited information we have.

If the existing Vortexbox isn't working properly but you need auto-rip, auto conversion then I'd buy a second hand small form factor low power PC with CD and install Vortexbox from ISO.

Unfortunately the Vortexbox forums are down so the lack of perceived support maybe an off putting factor.
The basic 2.4 install runs 7.8.1 but it is easy to move it to the 7.9 nightly path.

It is also fairly easy to hack the config files around to get the CD ripping as you want.

Personally I still use an old PC in this mode but it has been hacked to have storage on a NAS via NFS - an unnecessary step here.

I do agree with Jeff that cover art is a bit hit & miss but that is easily resolved.

There is plenty of support here.

dbinder101
2018-09-29, 07:26
In that case, having LMS under Windows is fine, that's my main system. And if you like VB a lot, then run it inside a VirtualBox virtual machine. I'm using that for my tests when somebody has an issue with my plugins and VB. If you want to, you should be able to have your music files on your Windows partition and have the VB mounting that directory using "shared folders"

I have been trying to use shared folder within VMWare Player but cannot get it to work, do you have the steps/commands to do that?

philippe_44
2018-09-29, 09:18
I have been trying to use shared folder within VMWare Player but cannot get it to work, do you have the steps/commands to do that?

Iím not familiar with VMware, only VirtualBox

DJanGo
2018-09-29, 13:28
I have been trying to use shared folder within VMWare Player but cannot get it to work, do you have the steps/commands to do that?

Hi,

these steps vary from Version to Version.

dbinder101
2018-09-30, 08:46
In that case, having LMS under Windows is fine, that's my main system. And if you like VB a lot, then run it inside a VirtualBox virtual machine. I'm using that for my tests when somebody has an issue with my plugins and VB. If you want to, you should be able to have your music files on your Windows partition and have the VB mounting that directory using "shared folders"

philippe_44 -
Hi-
I have successfully installed 2.4 within VMware cause I just wanted to test it out. However, I cant seem to share my music library which resides on the host (Windows 10). Can you point me in the right direction on what commands and steps I need to perform in order to do this? Thank you.


-David

d6jg
2018-10-01, 05:09
Try Google

https://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/running_sharefold_ws.html

dbinder101
2018-10-01, 13:56
Try Google

https://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/running_sharefold_ws.html

Thank you for the link. Unfortunately, I've followed those instructions before but I cant seem to get past the part where you need to mount the VMWare Tools within the guest terminal window. When I issue the command:

mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom

it comes back with:
mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0

edwin2006
2018-10-01, 14:57
Did you define a CD rom in settings vm?

dbinder101
2018-10-01, 15:14
Did you define a CD rom in settings vm?

Yes, at least I think I did, see attached. I also attached a message from the message log file, maybe that would help?

DJanGo
2018-10-02, 00:18
Yes, at least I think I did, see attached. I also attached a message from the message log file, maybe that would help?

Whats your goal?
1 VBA 2.4 is based on Fedora 23 (https://wiki.vortexbox.org/installation_guide)
2 Fedora 23 will officially enter End Of Life (EOL) status on December 20th, 2016. After December 20th, all packages in the Fedora 23 repositories will no longer receive security, bugfix, or enhancement updates, and no new packages will be added to the Fedora 23 collection. (https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-23-end-of-life/)
3. using a iso from a very special folder like %programfiles% or %ProgramFiles(x86)% isnt a wise idea.
4. That Step (mounting the iso) didnt make sense to your statement:
I have successfully installed 2.4 within VMware
5. If you already mount a cd/dvd to your guest - did you ever tried to put two cd at the same time into a single physical cd/dvd drive?
6. You need to add another emulated drive or dismount the one with the installer
7. why dont you simply share your files on the host and map it in the guest?