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Jason
2004-12-28, 12:05
Yes, I can surely think of my mother, brother or girlfriend setting up and
configuring an NNTP client all on their own without any help. It's childs
play for any joe 6 pack consumer to configure a newsreader versus typing in
a web URL and clicking their way through something (it's very clear that
some of you just don't get it).

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[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Lars
Kellogg-Stedman
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:29 AM
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] Discussion list overload and Gossamer Forum

> I think that they are looking for something that is more accessible
> with broader appeal to the masses than [N]NTP.

That would be a poor decision. Newsreaders offer a far better interface and
a great deal more flexibility than any web forum interface. I read this
mailing list with a newsreader via the mail-to-nntp gateway at gmane.org,
and it's great!

An ideal web forum would bridge between the web interface and nntp servers;
gmane.org offers this sort of interface, as do the forums for LUGnet
(http://www.lugnet.com/news/groups/). This would allow users to choose
whichever interface they prefer.

-- Lars

Steve Baumgarten
2004-12-28, 12:26
> Yes, I can surely think of my mother, brother or girlfriend setting up and
> configuring an NNTP client all on their own without any help. It's childs
> play for any joe 6 pack consumer to configure a newsreader versus typing in
> a web URL and clicking their way through something (it's very clear that
> some of you just don't get it).

What needed to be got has been gotten:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/

No product on the face of the earth now provides more ways to access its
support list. Subscribe by email; use your newsreader; access the RSS
feed; point your browser to the web-based forum. The same content is
available via any of these methods.

And after purchasing a Squeezebox you have access to all of the above
plus direct email and phone support from Slimdevices.

Does that about cover it?

So to summarize: everyone gets it. We got it. Slimdevices got it.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled discussion list, already in
progress...

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Roy M. Silvernail
2004-12-28, 12:29
Jason wrote:

>Yes, I can surely think of my mother, brother or girlfriend setting up and
>configuring an NNTP client all on their own without any help. It's childs
>play
>
With Thunderbird (hell, even Outlook Express), it's just that. Add a
new news account, follow the prompts, and presto! It's no harder than
setting up an email account.

But (to belabour the point yet *again*) this whole argument is moot.
The web interface to the lists exists now. As does the NNTP interface.
Pick your flavor, but *puh-leeze* stop arguing about it!

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Jack Coates
2004-12-28, 12:35
Jason wrote:
> Yes, I can surely think of my mother, brother or girlfriend setting up and
> configuring an NNTP client all on their own without any help. It's childs
> play for any joe 6 pack consumer to configure a newsreader versus typing in
> a web URL and clicking their way through something (it's very clear that
> some of you just don't get it).

Whatever. I just have one question:

I'm used to the "Joe Sixpack is a drooling idiot and will never be able
to use this so the sky is falling and we're all heading straight to hell
in a handbasket" argument. It's very common on Linux mailing lists and
lots of time is spent in arguing about how low the lowest common
denominator really is.

My question is, how does this argument apply to such a simple and
easy-to-use device as the Squeezebox? I mean, honestly.

Performance and stability: I've had a few problems with dropouts a year
ago, which turned out to be interaction between a switch and a bad
firmware. I've seen a number of people having problems with wireless
networks and blaming it on the Squeezebox. There are definite, real
problems with performance if you've got wireless interference,
insufficient system resources, more than 10-20K songs in the library, or
a combination of these. In other news, many products require that you
provide the correct operating environment.

User Interface: There are people out there who are going to have
problems with the UI -- the same people who can't set the clock on their
VCRs or figure out how to use the car stereo. It's not that they're
stupid, or that the UI is bad, it's that they don't care enough to
learn. My parents fall firmly in this camp, they're pretty much
incapable of discerning OS from application on a computer and are
convinced that many electronic devices are alive with gremlins. But
you'd better believe my dad knows how to work his Tivo and satellite
dish tuner backwards and forwards. It's not that the Tivo has a better
UI, it's that he wanted to know how to use them. I'm not going to give
them a Squeezebox, because they don't care about music. A better UI
isn't going to make them care enough to learn how to use it.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Danny Rego
2004-12-29, 00:14
> But (to belabour the point yet *again*) this whole argument is moot. The
> web interface to the lists exists now. As does the NNTP interface. Pick
> your flavor, but *puh-leeze* stop arguing about it!

Not really a moot point...the web forum/interface is terrible. (but
hopefully getting better)