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Phillip Kerman
2004-12-22, 15:04
I'm sold on the squeezebox and would tend to get a third one if I needed
another... but I don't get all the immediate reaction to roku every time
it's brought up.

--Personally, I do think theirs looks better... but I haven't seen it in
person.

--The issue about open-source is sort of twisted. Sure, slim server is open
source... but doesn't that mean someone else can use it? It is a little
icky the way roku doesn't mention slimserver is optimized for SB... but from
what I can tell, you can use roku without it.

--I totally agree about slim support begin good. But a) I don't know what
roku's is like and b) one hopes that an ideal product doesn't need much
support.

--I have yet to hear anyone who actually owns a roku chime in. Until then,
ALL the discussion on this list is either heresay or, at worst, groupthink.



I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just saying it's not as cut and dried.
And the immediate reaction sometimes seems defensive.

Thanks,
Phillip

Jack Coates
2004-12-22, 15:36
Phillip Kerman wrote:
> I'm sold on the squeezebox and would tend to get a third one if I needed
> another... but I don't get all the immediate reaction to roku every time
> it's brought up.
>
> --Personally, I do think theirs looks better... but I haven't seen it in
> person.
>
> --The issue about open-source is sort of twisted. Sure, slim server is open
> source... but doesn't that mean someone else can use it? It is a little
> icky the way roku doesn't mention slimserver is optimized for SB... but from
> what I can tell, you can use roku without it.
>

When they first started using Slimserver, they were not very open about
it. This created a bad impression that has lingered. Looking through
their forums now, they seem to be much clearer about when they're using
Slimserver and when they're using their own software. Their forums also
make it clear that they see the same performance problems with
Slimserver that this community does. I see wireless support, I see
Internet radio, I see iTunes and WMA support, I see DRM support through
their own software, and I see a spiffy server appliance.

> --I totally agree about slim support begin good. But a) I don't know what
> roku's is like and b) one hopes that an ideal product doesn't need much
> support.
>

Their forums are full of helpful messages from RokuMike, Senior Software
Engineer.

> --I have yet to hear anyone who actually owns a roku chime in. Until then,
> ALL the discussion on this list is either heresay or, at worst, groupthink.
>

There's definitely a lot of groupthink on this issue. I've seen some bad
reviews of the device and some good reviews of the device, which is of
course the same sort of thing you'll see with any piece of consumer
electronics. The magazines that throw away the reviewer's guide and hand
the product to the Samsonite gorilla print bad reviews. "Koko couldn't
figure out how to play music with either product, but she did give high
marks to the Squeezebox's scrumptiously bitable textured paint."

>
>
> I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just saying it's not as cut and dried.
> And the immediate reaction sometimes seems defensive.
>
> Thanks,
> Phillip

I bought Slim because it was the open source, Linux-supporting option,
and it was first to market with a groovy bit of gear (I like the funky
look of SliMP3s as much or more as the Squeezebox... in fact, I'd quite
like a retro-squeezebox with the new display stuck behind a chunk of
shaped plexiglass).

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