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John M.
2004-12-22, 15:03
The Squeezebox will be around for a long time, thanks to both the nature of
the company and the diverse and skilled user community that supports it.
It's a proven product. Who knows what the future of Roku will be? If they
don't meet their business goals, that's the end of them and any support for
their product. The Squeezebox is the safer investment.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Nic Wardle
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: discuss
> Subject: [slim] what would you say to a friend?
>
> Hi
> First sorry for such a cr*p title to this subject but I
> couldn't think of a better way to describe it!!
> I have recently had 2 close friends come over and they both
> left in admiration of my beloved squeezebox setup.... Both
> are computer savvy and went away to "research" themselves
> into media servers (despite my proclamations they were
> wasting their time!!)
>
> Both have (independently I may add) returned to me asking
> what advantage we (the squeezebox clan) have over the enemy
> (!) - roku.
> Now - without wanting a slanging match over the two devices,
> what would you all say the advantages of the SB are over the
> Roku?? The only thing I reckon Roku has going for it is the
> look of their device (and that is obviuosly going to vary
> from personal taste!).
> Things I can think of at the moment:
> 1) Excellent support
> 2) Regular server/firmware updates
> 3) Ability to use iTunes if you wish
> 4) Large variety of format support
> 5) Not having to create a playlist of radio stations (we have
> shoutCAST!)
>
> Help me out here everyone, I think I have 2 more customers on
> the way!!
> But I am trying to be objective, as they are both good friends!!
>
> Many thanks
>
> Nic
>
> PS: I like the readability of the forum Beta!!
>
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Michael Scott
2004-12-22, 15:32
Quoting "John M." <mail (AT) machtinger (DOT) com>:

> The Squeezebox will be around for a long time, thanks to both the nature
> of
> the company and the diverse and skilled user community that supports
> it.
> It's a proven product. Who knows what the future of Roku will be? If
> they
> don't meet their business goals, that's the end of them and any support
> for
> their product. The Squeezebox is the safer investment.

I can speak as someone who made a bad initial choice. I used to own a Voytera
Turtle Beach AudioTron (no snickering, please). I bought into that whole
"Doesn't require server-side software" pitch. Problem was VTB decided to bag
the AT after several failed attempts to create a successor and always playing
catch-up.

Luckily the ATs are in demand, so after owning it for a year, I sold it for what
I originally paid. Don't get me wrong, it was a fine unit and served it's
purpose well. There is also a loyal following and (at least some) VTB employees
are trying to support them. But then, you will also find OS/2 loyalists at IBM!

I just bought my SqueezeBox a few weeks ago and the more I find it can do, the
more I wonder how I missed it the first time.

I like the styling as it is unobtrusive wherever I put it. In fact, I'm
planning on buying a second to use as an alarm clock (It will look great on my
nightstand).

BTW I know how to turn the Squeezebox on at a specific time, but it would be
nice to switch the amplified speakers on with it. Probably an audio-level
switch or maybe I can detect the datastream from the coax digital connector to
do it.
----------------------
- Mike Scott
- mscott (AT) pyewacket (DOT) org

Jack Coates
2004-12-22, 15:38
Michael Scott wrote:

> BTW I know how to turn the Squeezebox on at a specific time, but it would be
> nice to switch the amplified speakers on with it. Probably an audio-level
> switch or maybe I can detect the datastream from the coax digital connector to
> do it.

I'd use X10 -- assuming you're on Linux, you can hack Slimserver to toss
out a bottlerocket commandline to power up the stereo when the remote
control button is pressed.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Michael Scott
2004-12-22, 15:40
Quoting Jack Coates <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org>:

> Michael Scott wrote:
>
> > BTW I know how to turn the Squeezebox on at a specific time, but it
> would be
> > nice to switch the amplified speakers on with it. Probably an
> audio-level
> > switch or maybe I can detect the datastream from the coax digital
> connector to
> > do it.
>
> I'd use X10 -- assuming you're on Linux, you can hack Slimserver to toss
>
> out a bottlerocket commandline to power up the stereo when the remote
> control button is pressed.

Another option as I have all of my lighting running via X10 and was thinking of
migrating from a proprietery whole-house controller to Mr. House (another fine
open-source product) which should happily run on the server hosting the
slimserver. This would let me (as an earlier post mentioned) control my
lighting through the Squeezebox.
----------------------
- Mike Scott
- mscott (AT) pyewacket (DOT) org

Ben Klaas
2004-12-22, 19:01
Michael-- I just did *exactly* the same thing in dumping my Audiotron
for a squeezebox. In my case, I knew full well that the slimp3 was what
I wanted two years ago, but I had a $300 gift certificate to burn on
Amazon and bought the Audiotron. I just eBayed it for $250. That small
of depreciation for electronics equipment over two years is pretty
unheard of...needless to say though, I'm so glad I've replaced it with
the squeezebox.

I've even got the same scheme of buying a second one for the nightstand
as an alarm clock (great minds think alike...). What are you going to
use for speakers?

not to say the Audiotron didn't have some things going for it-- on board
controls, including that *awesome* dial switch, and a product that truly
looked like it belonged on an a/v rack in a living room. I also thought
the "no server side software" idea had some advantages, but the
ridiculously slow and clunky web interface and the closed-source nature
of WindowsCE made me quite frustrated. I've had my squeezebox for under
a week and I've already written some handy (IMHO) scripts for making
playlists, and shared them with this great community of users.

Now, on to the Roku. I have to say that I was considering that device as
well when I was making the switch from the Audiotron. I have been
following that company for a while, and I think they have made some
pretty interesting products. The fact that it used Slimserver I
considered a plus (I didn't know about the bad blood of them not giving
credit to slimdevices)-- after all, there's no stealing there, it's open
source. If slimdevices feels threatened, then they compete by building
better hardware or providing better service. Which, incidentally, it
seems they've already done.

The one thing that *really* drew me to Roku was their M2000, with the
big-honkin' 12" VFD display. I could not justify a $500 price tag
though...I hope that the next gen Squeezebox product line (the
Juicebox?) would include one with a wider, even better display. I *love*
the improvement of clarity on the squeezebox vs. my old AT (hey! I can
read it across the room), but I'd prefer a device that you can read
across the room and doesn't require scrolling for most song titles.

The Roku's new push towards uPnP/Windows tech has dropped them several
levels in my book. I'm unable to shake off my deep distaste for all
things Microsoft. While it's probably a sound biz decision for them, it
made my squeezebox choice that much easier.

#!/ben

Michael Scott wrote:
>
> I can speak as someone who made a bad initial choice. I used to own a Voytera
> Turtle Beach AudioTron (no snickering, please). I bought into that whole
> "Doesn't require server-side software" pitch. Problem was VTB decided to bag
> the AT after several failed attempts to create a successor and always playing
> catch-up.
>
> Luckily the ATs are in demand, so after owning it for a year, I sold it for what
> I originally paid. Don't get me wrong, it was a fine unit and served it's
> purpose well. There is also a loyal following and (at least some) VTB employees
> are trying to support them. But then, you will also find OS/2 loyalists at IBM!
>
> I just bought my SqueezeBox a few weeks ago and the more I find it can do, the
> more I wonder how I missed it the first time.
>
> I like the styling as it is unobtrusive wherever I put it. In fact, I'm
> planning on buying a second to use as an alarm clock (It will look great on my
> nightstand).
>
> BTW I know how to turn the Squeezebox on at a specific time, but it would be
> nice to switch the amplified speakers on with it. Probably an audio-level
> switch or maybe I can detect the datastream from the coax digital connector to
> do it.
> ----------------------
> - Mike Scott
> - mscott (AT) pyewacket (DOT) org
>

Jack Coates
2004-12-22, 20:14
Ben Klaas wrote:
....

> The Roku's new push towards uPnP/Windows tech has dropped them several
> levels in my book. I'm unable to shake off my deep distaste for all
> things Microsoft. While it's probably a sound biz decision for them, it
> made my squeezebox choice that much easier.
>
> #!/ben

Devil's advocate moment, but it's probably a very sound decision. Joel
Spolsky puts it more politely than I would when he says that Microsoft
could sell Brown Paper Bag 1.0 and about 60% of the IT market would rush
right out and buy it. Maybe they're motivated by hero-worship or a
desire to follow the non-standard de facto standard, or maybe something
else, but there it is.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Mike Scott
2004-12-24, 12:00
On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 20:01, Ben Klaas wrote:
> I've even got the same scheme of buying a second one for the nightstand
> as an alarm clock (great minds think alike...). What are you going to
> use for speakers?

Haven't thought that far ahead yet. I will probably look into a nice
set of amplified PC speakers. For this use I may go based more on
styling as I'd like it to look like the speakers are part of a system.
I would like to go with something that has a pair of RCA plugs rather
than have a plug sticking out the side (headphone jack). I may try an
adapter if the analog levels are studly enough to drive the speakers.

--
- Mike Scott
- mscott (AT) pyewacket (DOT) org