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Guut_Boy
2016-10-25, 05:21
I have an old RPi lying around on which I was thinking of installing piCorePlayer and use as a small inexpensive headphone listening station. However, I heard that the jack on the RPi is not very good to use with headphones (in this case I would probably be using a pair of Beyerdynamic Dt990). The sound is low quality and not very loud.

I looked into the HifiBerry but the jack on the DAC+ is explicitly stated as not suitable for headphones. The HifiBerry AMP does not seem to have a headphone jack either.

So now I am wondering what it would take make the setup reasonable? Is there some alternative to the HifiBerry that does work with headphones? Or would it be better to get the HifiBerry DAC and a small external headphone amp? In the that case, is there some amp you can recommend (not too big, and not too expensive).

sbp
2016-10-25, 05:35
I have an old RPi lying around on which I was thinking of installing piCorePlayer and use as a small inexpensive headphone listening station. However, I heard that the jack on the RPi is not very good to use with headphones (in this case I would probably be using a pair of Beyerdynamic Dt990). The sound is low quality and not very loud.

I looked into the HifiBerry but the jack on the DAC+ is explicitly stated as not suitable for headphones. The HifiBerry AMP does not seem to have a headphone jack either.

So now I am wondering what it would take make the setup reasonable? Is there some alternative to the HifiBerry that does work with headphones? Or would it be better to get the HifiBerry DAC and a small external headphone amp? In the that case, is there some amp you can recommend (not too big, and not too expensive).

Hi.
I'm using a headphone plugged directly into the RPi using piCorePlayer. I think it is doing fine (declaration: I not an audiophile in any way). The sound has been improved massively compared with the first kernels. So I suggest that you simply try it, and if it is fine, then you don't need to look any further. If you need amplification, then the IQaudIO DAC+ has a headphone amplifier build in.
It is also working fine with piCorePlayer.

Steen

Guut_Boy
2016-10-25, 05:39
Thanks, sounds like I should try that first.

adamdea
2016-10-25, 06:03
I have an old RPi lying around on which I was thinking of installing piCorePlayer and use as a small inexpensive headphone listening station. However, I heard that the jack on the RPi is not very good to use with headphones (in this case I would probably be using a pair of Beyerdynamic Dt990). The sound is low quality and not very loud.

I looked into the HifiBerry but the jack on the DAC+ is explicitly stated as not suitable for headphones. The HifiBerry AMP does not seem to have a headphone jack either.

So now I am wondering what it would take make the setup reasonable? Is there some alternative to the HifiBerry that does work with headphones? Or would it be better to get the HifiBerry DAC and a small external headphone amp? In the that case, is there some amp you can recommend (not too big, and not too expensive).

the cirrus (formerly wolfson) audiocard has headphone out and plays nicely with max2play. Not sure about picoreplayer.

Tex
2016-10-25, 06:14
To really get a "good" sound out of a set of headphones like that you will need a "good" amp. I have spent (wasted:p) a lot of time at Head-Fi.org) trying to figure out a "good" set up and finally bought a Grace M9XX. It's 500 dollars new from MassDrop when they actually sell them. But the amp that is readily available is the O2 JDS Labs you can get a amp & DAC for under 400 maybe closer to 300. The amp by itself would be about 125.
I use a laptop with Squeezeplay installed and feed the the Grace M9XX and I can get it to run the ASIO driver so I can listen to Spotify in better fidelity but I can also use my main desktop system and control the laptop Squeezeplay such that the desktop audio doesn't interfere with the Squeezeplay.
I have a set of Grados that can be driven by a iphone but sound so much better when driven through the Grace amp. I tried the jack out of my Touch and it was acceptable but after setting up this system I don't want to "go back."
I recommend reading some of the Head-Fi discussions on amps and yes a lot of it personal bias but there is some good information. I don't own a set of Beyerdynamics but that model from what I read needs an fairly powerful amp to sound good.

http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/desktop-amps

Man in a van
2016-10-25, 07:48
http://www.iqaudio.co.uk/audio/39-pi-daczero.html

You will need to get a zero (cheap enough)


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Guut_Boy
2016-10-25, 09:19
http://www.iqaudio.co.uk/audio/39-pi-daczero.html

You will need to get a zero (cheap enough)


21354

Good call, but I think it also requires the DAC Zero. So given that I already have the RPi, I think the PI-DAC+ is cheaper.

Guut_Boy
2016-10-25, 09:42
I think what I will be trying out is first just the built in jack, and when I get the time(/money) the PI-DAC+ from IQaudIO. That way I only need one extra component and I can keep everything in the same neat little box :).

Man in a van
2016-10-25, 11:53
Good call, but I think it also requires the DAC Zero. So given that I already have the RPi, I think the PI-DAC+ is cheaper.

Ahh, that will teach me to scroll to the bottom :o

Wirrunna
2016-10-25, 13:12
This device http://www.allo.com/sparky/piano-dac.html has has a DAC and a headphone amp, I have one but it only arrived last week so I have not tried it yet.

If you go to the site, check out the Kali.

Greg Erskine
2016-10-25, 15:52
hi Guut_Boy,

As SBP said, the analog output has improved a lot since the release of pCP3.00. (I only use it for testing from time to time and my good headphones have broken). I am surprised no one has noticed and reported the improvement.

I found this USB solution works well. It might be good enough? Certainly a lot louder than the analog output. I bought 2, one worked, one didn't.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stereo-Headset-5-1USB-to-3-5mm-mic-headphone-Jack-3D-Sound-Card-Audio-Adapter-TR-/231904647109?hash=item35fe9817c5:g:nhIAAOSwWBJXBQa Y

regards
Greg

Guut_Boy
2016-10-26, 06:03
This device http://www.allo.com/sparky/piano-dac.html has has a DAC and a headphone amp, I have one but it only arrived last week so I have not tried it yet.

If you go to the site, check out the Kali.

That looks interesting as well. Thank you, I had not heard about the Piano DAC before. Actually, looking at the specs it looks pretty similar to the IQaudIO PI-DAC+ though. As far as I can see they are using the same DAC and headphone amp components, and they are also similar in price I think.

So I think I will stick with the PI-DAC+ for now. It has the advantage of being purchasable in Europe and pimoroni has a pretty decent case for it as well :).

d6jg
2016-10-30, 05:19
I use one of these with a Pi to give me decent headphone sound at minimal cost - http://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC
It will also take an Optical cable if required

alnames
2016-10-30, 14:49
An alternative (that I use) is "Squeezeplayer" on my Android phone with headphones. This offers portability and with a VPN, remote listening.

Guut_Boy
2016-11-07, 02:35
I use one of these with a Pi to give me decent headphone sound at minimal cost - http://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC
It will also take an Optical cable if required

I have a DacMagic XS I might use. Good idea, thank you.

drmatt
2016-11-13, 11:37
The pi audio output also improved drastically between the early revs and the model B. Pi 2 and 3 are pretty decent but you're right they may not produce enough volume for some headphones.

Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

RiccardoR
2016-11-23, 11:48
Hi, I noticed now this thread.
My opinion, because I use it, is that a HiFiBerry dac with 3,5 jack is enough to drive an headphone (also if they say no). I use a Sennheiser HD540 Reference that is not, sure, a simple headphone to drive. The volume is not so loud, but for normal listening is very very good. Also, the HiFiBerry is able to stay in the small enclosure (only drill a hole for the jack) and no external dac, cable or big case!!
See the picture..
Ciao, Riccardo21545


P.S.: The audio of the Raspberry is HORRIBLE!!

Julf
2016-11-23, 12:18
P.S.: The audio of the Raspberry is HORRIBLE!!

The standard audio output in the first versions was pretty bad, but it has gotten a bit better.

Man in a van
2016-11-23, 12:25
The standard audio output in the first versions was pretty bad, but it has gotten a bit better.


peoples is still working on it :)


https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=136445

Ronnie

RiccardoR
2016-11-23, 12:38
The standard audio output in the first versions was pretty bad, but it has gotten a bit better.

Maybe, but for 29 euro I prefer an HiFiBerry card, sure!!

M-H
2016-11-23, 16:26
Please do not use a line out port for headphones and expect hifi , as there is a difference !
Line out ports are designed to drive relative high impedance loads and not the much lower ones that are common with headphones.
Sure it can work and most headphones do produce sound , some even quite reasonable if you do not compare it to a properly designed headphones port. I certainly can hear a lot of difference in the low frequencies where the port needs to deliver a bit of power.

I had a test with the IQaudio card http://www.iqaudio.co.uk/pi-audio/8-pi-dac-0712411999643.html and the difference is obvious.
For a small bedside headphones driver I do fancy the pizero and Pi-DACZero / Pi-DACZeroHP combo.
And I just noticed Gordon has a matching casing available and a handy bundle that does lack the pizero though.

The suggested 1 euro USB dongle might have a better price/performance ratio , and should be tested

MLO
2016-11-24, 03:28
maybe too much promotion, but you can get the PiDacZero for free at the moment.