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Joe Hickey
2004-12-20, 02:15
Hello all,
My vote goes with a yahoo type group.
I'm a member of several of those, you can get a digest (and the digest
always has the message subjects at the top and all the messages are
numbered so you can scoot down to the ones your interested in,
something that is missing from the slim list digest).
Or you can get individual emails or you can do it all 'forum style'
from the group web site.
Some of the groups do suffer with spam, but not if they are moderated
properly...
I'm a member of the Motu Mac group which has a similar amount of
messages (well it did have a couple of months ago but the slim list has
gone insane recently) and is perfectly manageable with absolutely no
spam on it.
Cheers,
Joe


On 19 Dec 2004, at 20:25, discuss-request (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com wrote:

> Subject: [slim] Web forum (again)
> blah blah blah

Ben Coombs
2004-12-20, 07:03
Hi,

I use Gmail for the mailing list, it sorts all the emails into groups
of conversations and I've set it up to automatically label them as
"slimdevices". It stops it from being a headache. I have 10 invites at
the moment if anyone wants to give this a try.

Regards,

Ben



On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:15:41 +0000, Joe Hickey <joe (AT) hotandstripey (DOT) org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> My vote goes with a yahoo type group.
> I'm a member of several of those, you can get a digest (and the digest
> always has the message subjects at the top and all the messages are
> numbered so you can scoot down to the ones your interested in,
> something that is missing from the slim list digest).
> Or you can get individual emails or you can do it all 'forum style'
> from the group web site.
> Some of the groups do suffer with spam, but not if they are moderated
> properly...
> I'm a member of the Motu Mac group which has a similar amount of
> messages (well it did have a couple of months ago but the slim list has
> gone insane recently) and is perfectly manageable with absolutely no
> spam on it.
> Cheers,
> Joe
>
> On 19 Dec 2004, at 20:25, discuss-request (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com wrote:
>
> > Subject: [slim] Web forum (again)
> > blah blah blah
>
>

Michael Alletto
2004-12-20, 09:04
One of the main benefits of moving to a forum would be to sell more
boxes. Lets face it, someone hears about a new product and then a lot
of times they google for it. If they are smart (like the majority of
squeezebox buyers) they'll google for slimp3 squeezebox forum. That
will give them a link to a post from this list then a bunch of crap.
There is no central forum based location for new users to scroll and
search through easily. The archives are not user friendly, I don't
care what any of you think. They are tedious and a pain in the butt
to look through compared to other things. Very few of those that are
thinking of purchasing one will subscribe to a list that generates
this much traffic everyday, its a waste of their time. But many will
visit and read forum posts on the same topic while making their
decision. I don't know about some of you folks but when I'm
researching a purchase like this and the company doesn't have a web
forum (either official or unofficial) it kind of makes me hesitant to
buy from them.

Its not a microsoft outlook thing, its not a newbie thing, its not an
upgrade for the sake of upgrading thing. Its a common sense progress
thing. When a list gets too large, the next step is to move to a web
forum.

Probably the biggest problem is who is going to host it? Will Slim
Devices foot the bill for it? I doubt it. Someone else probably
needs to. If I had the bandwidth I'd do it but I don't. The web
forums are very easy to setup and maintain these days.


On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:03:37 +0000, Ben Coombs <bcoombs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use Gmail for the mailing list, it sorts all the emails into groups
> of conversations and I've set it up to automatically label them as
> "slimdevices". It stops it from being a headache. I have 10 invites at
> the moment if anyone wants to give this a try.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:15:41 +0000, Joe Hickey <joe (AT) hotandstripey (DOT) org> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > My vote goes with a yahoo type group.
> > I'm a member of several of those, you can get a digest (and the digest
> > always has the message subjects at the top and all the messages are
> > numbered so you can scoot down to the ones your interested in,
> > something that is missing from the slim list digest).
> > Or you can get individual emails or you can do it all 'forum style'
> > from the group web site.
> > Some of the groups do suffer with spam, but not if they are moderated
> > properly...
> > I'm a member of the Motu Mac group which has a similar amount of
> > messages (well it did have a couple of months ago but the slim list has
> > gone insane recently) and is perfectly manageable with absolutely no
> > spam on it.
> > Cheers,
> > Joe
> >
> > On 19 Dec 2004, at 20:25, discuss-request (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com wrote:
> >
> > > Subject: [slim] Web forum (again)
> > > blah blah blah

Philip Meyer
2004-12-20, 12:27
>One of the main benefits of moving to a forum would be to sell more
>boxes. Lets face it, someone hears about a new product and then a lot
>of times they google for it. If they are smart (like the majority of
>squeezebox buyers) they'll google for slimp3 squeezebox forum.
I didn't. I searched for SqueezeBox and Slim Devices, but forum wasn't the first thing on my mind.

I'm sure most people don't think "hmm, I like the look of that product, there's a good website with good support links, but no web forum, so it must be bad, I won't buy one".

>many will visit and read forum posts on the same topic while making their
>decision. I don't know about some of you folks but when I'm
>researching a purchase like this and the company doesn't have a web
>forum (either official or unofficial) it kind of makes me hesitant to
>buy from them.
>
It could have an adverse affect to what you are saying though. On initial inspection through a forum, a potential buyer would see lots of problem reports. It is a fact that most people join groups to report problems, look for answers to problems, etc. They don't generally join a forum or list to say "great product", and leave. Someone joining a forum to aid their decision as to whether to make a purchase might be put off by the number and content of problems.

>Its a common sense progress thing.
>When a list gets too large, the next step is to move to a web forum.
>
Why is that common sense? Why is changing to a web forum progress? Like I have said elsewhere, I have been a member of mailing lists that have a lot more traffic. Once someone suggested in one that a web forum would be much better and it was a disaster. They soon moved back to the mailing list approach. It may be that forums do have advantages (can't think of any, but I'm open to some ideas), but it is not necessarily because lists don't work when they get too much traffic.

As someone already mentioned, it comes down to what this list is intended for. If someone wants or needs to see every post, and wants to know what is new and what they have already read, then changing to a forum is a backwards step.

If a user wants to just poke around once in a blue moon, not caring about seeing every post, then perhaps there would be some merit for a forum (although I think the google site search and/or gmane adequate for that reason).

Slim Devices have said the mailing list will stay as-is, and a forum interface to it will be added in due course.

I think a better FAQ, more info in the Wiki, and other related documentation to aid new users would be a far more helpful than creating a forum, as this would hopefully cut down the unnecessary traffic.

Phil