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dbwat
2016-07-02, 12:20
I made a switch recently with wireless in the house from airport expresses to eero. The eeros give us benefit over the airport expresses with whole house coverage, and higher throughput in the home with all the streaming video we’ve got going.

All was good for a while, but my four squeezeboxes (sb2, sb3, boom, transporter) recently starting hating the eeros as of a new firmware release. Blammo there goes my music.

For the most part, the sb’s worked fine with eero before this firmware update. They’re a new product and they update/improve the product frequently, and I doubt squeezebox health is part of their regression testing, so I expect this to happen again.

As of the eero firmware update, the sb’s intermittently lose connection to the squeezebox server, a mac mini. During these episodes, the mini is connected to the internet, and reachable on the house network, but that particular sb can’t find it for a few seconds or a few minutes, or never again without intervention. As has been covered here many times, the dreaded “can’t connect to server” is psychically unnverving (4am in the bedroom sb, “can’t connect to server” brightly, noon on saturday in the living room “can’t connect to server” while I’m watching something, aaaaargh).

The sb wireless hardware is inferior to the airports in getting through my walls, which the airports can do, so three of the sb’s are each sitting behind an airport express acting as a wireless client to the eero network. The fourth sb (boom) is in a good spot and is happy with wireless. This was the case before eero with no troubles.

If I reset the entire network from the cable modem to the eeros to the airports to the mini, then I get love for a little while, but not long. The bad comes back in a day, maybe two. Resetting the network isn’t really appeciated by anyone in the house and is particularly unsustainable for marriage.

Maintenance and love aren’t always close cousins, and I’ve wrestled with how long to keep these squeezeboxes, if ever short of forever. I baby them so. One last idea. Back when life was simple and my walls didn’t have chicken wire in them and netflix mailed us dvds, I needed a lone linksys wrt54g to make the whole house happy.

I dusted the linksys off, connected it to the eero on the cable modem, set up a new wireless network, and joined it from the airport expresses, the boom, and the mac mini, isolating all of the squeezeboxes and the mini to the second network. Yes, I’ve double-natted and tsk tsk.

But guess what? Success! No squeezebox drops in a week and counting. The eero network proper seems untroubled. The squeezeboxes are happy, the rest of the house is happy.

The sb’s live to fill the house with music yet another day or month or year. Let it be years.

jg867
2017-12-27, 16:34
This thread is concerning to me. I'm about to move to a bigger house and I'm planning on setting it up with 3 or 4 Eeros. I also plan to have 7 or 8 Squeezeboxem throughout the house. I was assuming that this was just going to work. Are you saying it won't? Are you still using this "workaround"? I'm not sure I fully understand what you did, so now I'm a little nervous. Thanks for any add'l info.

-jg


I made a switch recently with wireless in the house from airport expresses to eero. The eeros give us benefit over the airport expresses with whole house coverage, and higher throughput in the home with all the streaming video weíve got going.

All was good for a while, but my four squeezeboxes (sb2, sb3, boom, transporter) recently starting hating the eeros as of a new firmware release. Blammo there goes my music.

For the most part, the sbís worked fine with eero before this firmware update. Theyíre a new product and they update/improve the product frequently, and I doubt squeezebox health is part of their regression testing, so I expect this to happen again.

As of the eero firmware update, the sbís intermittently lose connection to the squeezebox server, a mac mini. During these episodes, the mini is connected to the internet, and reachable on the house network, but that particular sb canít find it for a few seconds or a few minutes, or never again without intervention. As has been covered here many times, the dreaded ďcanít connect to serverĒ is psychically unnverving (4am in the bedroom sb, ďcanít connect to serverĒ brightly, noon on saturday in the living room ďcanít connect to serverĒ while Iím watching something, aaaaargh).

The sb wireless hardware is inferior to the airports in getting through my walls, which the airports can do, so three of the sbís are each sitting behind an airport express acting as a wireless client to the eero network. The fourth sb (boom) is in a good spot and is happy with wireless. This was the case before eero with no troubles.

If I reset the entire network from the cable modem to the eeros to the airports to the mini, then I get love for a little while, but not long. The bad comes back in a day, maybe two. Resetting the network isnít really appeciated by anyone in the house and is particularly unsustainable for marriage.

Maintenance and love arenít always close cousins, and Iíve wrestled with how long to keep these squeezeboxes, if ever short of forever. I baby them so. One last idea. Back when life was simple and my walls didnít have chicken wire in them and netflix mailed us dvds, I needed a lone linksys wrt54g to make the whole house happy.

I dusted the linksys off, connected it to the eero on the cable modem, set up a new wireless network, and joined it from the airport expresses, the boom, and the mac mini, isolating all of the squeezeboxes and the mini to the second network. Yes, Iíve double-natted and tsk tsk.

But guess what? Success! No squeezebox drops in a week and counting. The eero network proper seems untroubled. The squeezeboxes are happy, the rest of the house is happy.

The sbís live to fill the house with music yet another day or month or year. Let it be years.

iPhone
2017-12-29, 16:08
This thread is concerning to me. I'm about to move to a bigger house and I'm planning on setting it up with 3 or 4 Eeros. I also plan to have 7 or 8 Squeezeboxem throughout the house. I was assuming that this was just going to work. Are you saying it won't? Are you still using this "workaround"? I'm not sure I fully understand what you did, so now I'm a little nervous. Thanks for any add'l info.

-jg


It looks like from his Post, if I followed him correctly, that he has ALL his Squeezeboxen on a second WiFi Network and is NOT using Eeros for the Squeezeboxen.

A possible solution that is much cheaper then the expensive Eeros is to build your own. I also run two networks in my home, but I do it to keep one network completely off the Internet. I have set a similar single network up at my son's home. That Network being a nice new 802.11ac main wifi router and as many older N wifi routers as needed (especially if one has a few laying around) and some ethernet cable so the old routers can become APs (access points). If one can follow a simple YouTube video, one can setup a nice WiFi Network with multiple APs. One nice thing about a Netgear WiFi Router is that in the GUI it will show one all there neighbor's WiFi Networks and what channels they are on so one can avoid them.

dbwat
2018-02-26, 19:01
It looks like from his Post, if I followed him correctly, that he has ALL his Squeezeboxen on a second WiFi Network and is NOT using Eeros for the Squeezeboxen.

A possible solution that is much cheaper then the expensive Eeros is to build your own. I also run two networks in my home, but I do it to keep one network completely off the Internet. I have set a similar single network up at my son's home. That Network being a nice new 802.11ac main wifi router and as many older N wifi routers as needed (especially if one has a few laying around) and some ethernet cable so the old routers can become APs (access points). If one can follow a simple YouTube video, one can setup a nice WiFi Network with multiple APs. One nice thing about a Netgear WiFi Router is that in the GUI it will show one all there neighbor's WiFi Networks and what channels they are on so one can avoid them.

Shame on me for not following my own thread. I updated my notification settings, so will be more prompt in future replies.

Two networks, sort of. My (now five!) Squeezeboxes/n/m are all on a separate network behind a Linksys router, but the Linksys is a client on the Eero network for internet connectivity, so technically it's double-NAT'd. Eero seems to handle double-NAT gracefully.

I have a Mac mini running LMS that bridges both networks so I can control the SBs from iPeng or a browser, or iTunes with Shairtunes.

To Eero's credit, they've made many firmware updates since my original post, and this is all supposed to just work now, but I haven't gone back and taken the Linksys out and re-attached the SBs to the Eero network. It ain't broke, so I'm leaving well enough alone for the time being. I like my music. Radio Paradise in FLAC now!

Would love to know if folks are using Eeros with multiple SBs with success in less wacky network setups than mine.

dbwat
2018-02-28, 18:39
Well, interesting turn of events. After a year and a half of multi-room music bliss, my sb's just started locking up. I suspect an Eero firmware update from a few nights ago. The server log indicates LMS would lose connectivity an hour or so into playing a stream, everything locks up, and the Linksys router goes unresponsive. It recovers on its own after 10-15 minutes.

Note that my main Eero network doesn't actually lose connectivity, only the Linksys (which routes through Eero), and by extension LMS and the sb's.

This isn't something I've seen in my 14+ years with sb's, actually killing a router. My guess is something in that Eero firmware update is terminating the Linksys DHCP lease and then renewing it.

Anyway, Eero tells me that they've long ago fixed any issues with devices like Squeezeboxes and Sonos speakers, so I pulled out the Linksys altogether last night, and guess what? Squeezebox love!

At least for 24 hours. We'll see if it all stays happy after 2-3 days, which is when I'd start to see issues when I first got Eero (and what drove me to the hack Linksys approach).

Will report back if it goes bad.

relayer
2018-06-11, 05:37
Well, interesting turn of events. After a year and a half of multi-room music bliss, my sb's just started locking up. I suspect an Eero firmware update from a few nights ago. The server log indicates LMS would lose connectivity an hour or so into playing a stream, everything locks up, and the Linksys router goes unresponsive. It recovers on its own after 10-15 minutes.

Note that my main Eero network doesn't actually lose connectivity, only the Linksys (which routes through Eero), and by extension LMS and the sb's.

This isn't something I've seen in my 14+ years with sb's, actually killing a router. My guess is something in that Eero firmware update is terminating the Linksys DHCP lease and then renewing it.

Anyway, Eero tells me that they've long ago fixed any issues with devices like Squeezeboxes and Sonos speakers, so I pulled out the Linksys altogether last night, and guess what? Squeezebox love!

At least for 24 hours. We'll see if it all stays happy after 2-3 days, which is when I'd start to see issues when I first got Eero (and what drove me to the hack Linksys approach).

Will report back if it goes bad.


Any update if this is still working? I am curious about Squeezeboxes and Eero.

dbwat
2018-06-11, 17:17
Any update if this is still working? I am curious about Squeezeboxes and Eero.

Wellll, yes and no. I have a perfectly functional and happy Transporter with eero, but a few months ago I swapped out all my other SBs for Sonos. The details are here in post #96:
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108823-What-are-your-long-term-SqueezeBox-solutions/page10

Bottom line is latest eero software plays much better with LMS/Squeezeboxes and doesn't require the crazy workarounds I had in place, but you've got a hard dependency on eero's updates. An update a few months ago hosed my system again. That plus my family taking to Sonos, and it's the direction I went.

No problems at all with my Transporter, LMS and eero.

TechHome
2018-06-13, 18:28
Yes, Iíve double-natted and tsk tsk.

But guess what? Success! No squeezebox drops in a week and counting. The eero network proper seems untroubled. The squeezeboxes are happy, the rest of the house is happy.

The sbís live to fill the house with music yet another day or month or year. Let it be years.

No need to double NAT, connect the cable from the Eero to a LAN port instead of to the WAN post on the WRT54. This will result in the WRT functioning as an access point and getting its IP address from the Eero.

dbwat
2018-06-13, 19:06
No need to double NAT, connect the cable from the Eero to a LAN port instead of to the WAN post on the WRT54. This will result in the WRT functioning as an access point and getting its IP address from the Eero.

I took the Linksys out a while ago after an eero update helped LMS/SBs play well together. Thanks though!

edwin2006
2018-06-14, 00:12
I'm using ubiquity unifi stuff, no problems with SB2, radio and boom.