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mherger
2016-06-15, 14:28
After a long time of not using Deezer, I'm currently playing with it again. I created a few "Smart Mixes". I pretty soon felt like this wasn't smart at all. Lots of repetition etc. What is your experience?

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That's the results of the past few hours playing a "Peter Gabriel" mix. Yes, PG is hardly present on the streaming services. But that's really very, very repetitive, not only PG's tracks.

johnas
2016-06-15, 16:08
I have about the same experience as you. Pretty much useless imo.

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quadronado
2016-06-17, 06:52
Looks really bad. I hardly ever use the Smart Radio, but i'll will try it and see if it's really that useless. btw: Is there a way to skip a track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always says: "Deezer Error, Skip limit exceeded, you may skip again later." :confused:

mherger
2016-06-17, 07:05
> Looks really bad. I hardly ever use the Smart Radio, but i'll will try
> it and see if it's really that useless. btw: Is there a way to skip a
> track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always says: "Deezer Error, Skip
> limit exceeded, you may skip again later." :confused:

I wonder whether the radio API we're using simply has been neglected for
the past years, since they now have the "Flow" feature - which is not
available through their API...

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Michael

quadronado
2016-06-17, 09:54
I tried the Deezer Smart Radio for the last three hours and had not a single repition. Do you really have a full Deezer acount or is this a the free version?

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quadronado
2016-06-17, 11:54
I thought it might be a problem with Peter Gabriel. I tried the Gabriel Smart Radio and heard no track twice so far....

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quadronado
2016-06-18, 05:59
I tried Deezer's Peter Gabriel Smart Radio again and it really looks fine (except that Peter Gabriel's tracks are missing, but, as you said, PG is hardly present at streaming). Don't know what went wrong with you're Smart Mix, but your experience is definitely not the standard with Deezer.

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quadronado
2016-06-18, 07:54
A few hours later...

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No repetition at least.

johnas
2016-06-18, 08:16
OK you've convinced me to give it another try.

mherger
2016-06-18, 23:42
> A few hours later...
>
> 20635
>
> No repetition at least.

Hmm.... thans for the testing. My account indeed has expired. So I'm no
longer a premium user. But it's my understanding that the Smart Radio
would be the one useful feature to users of the free account. I'll check
with my Deezer contacts. Thanks again!

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Michael

verypsb
2016-06-19, 01:18
I wonder whether the radio API we're using simply has been neglected for
the past years, since they now have the "Flow" feature - which is not
available through their API...

It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it...

Best regards,
Dennis.

quadronado
2016-06-19, 01:51
It would be interessting if someone with a Spotify account could upload a screenshot of the Spotify Peter Garbriel smart radio playlist. I've heard they have that smart radio thing, too.

quadronado
2016-06-19, 01:58
It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it...

That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track. Through ickstream a can see the flow playlist, but I can only play single tracks, not the whole playlist. Maybe you can tell me the trick.

mherger
2016-06-19, 07:11
It would be interessting if someone with a Spotify account could upload a screenshot of the Spotify Peter Garbriel smart radio playlist. I've heard they have that smart radio thing, too.

Would be a shame if Spotify didn't have this kind of feature. After all they bought the.echonest.com!

The mix looks good (though I would have preferred a little less of his 70s progrock influence :-))

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Spotify didn't miss to add the Vanilla Sky soundtrack, too :-)

mherger
2016-06-19, 07:37
> The mix looks good (though I would have preferred a little less of his
> 70s progrock influence :-))

I totally missed that first track they added... an interview?!?

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Michael

quadronado
2016-06-19, 07:42
Would be a shame if Spotify didn't have this kind of feature. After all they bought the.echonest.com!
I don't remember exactly why I switched from Spotify to Deezer about a year ago. It had something to do with the flow feature or the smart radio that was missing in Spotify. Or maybe the Squeezeboxen didn't support this Spotify feature at this time.



though I would have preferred a little less of his 70s progrock influence

That's exactly what I've missed in the Deezer mix. It's too much 80s Pop. I've never been much interested in Peter Gabriel since he left Genesis a couple of years ago. Anyway, thank you for trying Gabriel smart radio with spotify.

callesoroe
2016-06-19, 08:29
Is Deezer Elite(Lossless FLAC) only available through Sonos ?? How is the lossless catalog if anyone knows ??

mherger
2016-06-19, 14:06
> I don't remember exactly why I switched from Spotify to Deezer about a
> year ago. It had something to do with the flow feature or the smart
> radio that was missing in Spotify. Or maybe the Squeezeboxen didn't
> support this Spotify feature at this time.

That's true: Spotify only added it to their API a few months ago.

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Michael

mherger
2016-06-19, 14:06
> Is Deezer Elite(Lossless FLAC) only available through Sonos ??

I think officially yes, Deezer Elite is still Sonos only. I've brought
up the question with my Deezer contacts again, but haven't got an answer
yet.

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Michael

quadronado
2016-06-20, 09:29
That's true: Spotify only added it to their API a few months ago.


So that's no advantage over Spotify anymore. What about listening to two different streams at the same time. I can do that with Deezer, but can I do this with Spotify? Are there any advantages Spotify has over Deezer that could it make worth trying it again for me?

mherger
2016-06-20, 10:59
> So that's no advantage over Spotify anymore. What about listening to two
> different streams at the same time. I can do that with Deezer, but can I
> do this with Spotify?

Yes, that's problematic. It does work with SB Radio & Touch, but nothing
else IIRC.

> Are there any advantages Spotify has over Deezer
> that could it make worth trying it again for me?

I think a lot of it boils down to taste and personal preference. Eg. the
automatically generated (or manually curated) playlists might be
interesting to some but totally irrelevant to others.

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Michael

quadronado
2016-06-20, 11:33
But automatically generated playlist I have with both services. The repetory seems to be nearly the same as well (I was able to migrate all of my favorite albums from Spotify to Deezer). The only differences are that I can use Deezer on different Squeezeboxen at the same time and I can use Deezer on old and DIY Squeezeboxen. For me that makes 2 to 0 for Deezer.

mherger
2016-06-21, 12:58
>> It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it...
>>
> That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does
> work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track.

Haha... I wanted to look into the Deezer Flow feature. Just to figure
out I already added it back in December?!? Wow, my memory...

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Michael

d6jg
2016-06-30, 10:33
Someone mentioned that it is possible to have multiple streams with Deezer free account. Is that correct?

Incidentally the changes to Spotify family mentioned elsewhere have caused me to experiment with this for kids use. Here is my solution not using the cloned Triode app route.

Using a pi based player with piCorePlayer 2.0x add LMS but with no library. Log it onto your normal account with MSB.com. Install the Spotify Protocol Handler but with one of the additional family accounts. Ensure squeezelite on the Pi uses 127.0.0.1 as its server i.e. It won't then switch to your main LMS.

This gives the user access to their own Spotify stream and access to the main LMS library via the Remote Music Library function.

Solution works nicely but only with something that can run its own LMS.

chernysh
2016-07-09, 03:09
btw: Is there a way to skip a track in the Deezer Smart Radio. It always says: "Deezer Error, Skip limit exceeded, you may skip again later." :confused:

I've found a very simple workaround that works for me. Just press play button instead of "fwd" during playing Deezer Smart Radio and it skips the track. Another way - "pause" button , and then press "fwd" button. It works for Deezer Flow as well.

Nibb31
2016-07-10, 01:15
>> It is available using ickstream, don't know how they do it...
>>
> That's strange. Flow doesn't work for me using ickstream. But it does
> work using mysqueezebox.com - except for skipping a track.

Haha... I wanted to look into the Deezer Flow feature. Just to figure
out I already added it back in December?!? Wow, my memory...


Hi,

How do you get to work the Flow feature? I'm using the official Deezer plugin in LMS, but it only offers the list of Smart Radios. Deezer Flow works with Ickstream, but it's limited to ~20 titles.

mherger
2016-07-10, 22:13
> How do you get to work the Flow feature? I'm using the official Deezer
> plugin in LMS, but it only offers the list of Smart Radios. Deezer Flow
> works with Ickstream, but it's limited to ~20 titles.

Isn't Flow a Premium only feature?

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Michael

justwords
2016-07-11, 08:40
Someone mentioned that it is possible to have multiple streams with Deezer free account. Is that correct?

Incidentally the changes to Spotify family mentioned elsewhere have caused me to experiment with this for kids use. Here is my solution not using the cloned Triode app route.

Using a pi based player with piCorePlayer 2.0x add LMS but with no library. Log it onto your normal account with MSB.com. Install the Spotify Protocol Handler but with one of the additional family accounts. Ensure squeezelite on the Pi uses 127.0.0.1 as its server i.e. It won't then switch to your main LMS.

This gives the user access to their own Spotify stream and access to the main LMS library via the Remote Music Library function.

Solution works nicely but only with something that can run its own LMS.

Shouldn't this work with any local Lms server? Or is this special for Rasperry Pi?

d6jg
2016-07-11, 09:16
Shouldn't this work with any local Lms server? Or is this special for Rasperry Pi?

Yes you could but the Pi is a cheap combined player/LMS which is the point if your requirement is just to add kids Spotify players.

th80
2016-08-14, 05:57
After a long time of not using Deezer, I'm currently playing with it again. I created a few "Smart Mixes". I pretty soon felt like this wasn't smart at all. Lots of repetition etc. What is your experience?

20623

That's the results of the past few hours playing a "Peter Gabriel" mix. Yes, PG is hardly present on the streaming services. But that's really very, very repetitive, not only PG's tracks.

Hi,

My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin?

Thanks,
Thomas

mherger
2016-08-14, 08:36
> My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover
> grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin?

It's from the What Was That Tune (Was lief da eben in German)? plugin.

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Michael

th80
2016-08-14, 12:37
> My question is completely off-topic, but how did you create the cover
> grid views of played songs? Is it a separate plugin?

It's from the What Was That Tune (Was lief da eben in German)? plugin.

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Michael

Thanks for your quick answer!

Thomas

pbmilley
2017-02-24, 16:19
I know this thread has been quiet for a few months, but since I recently began using Deezer, I thought I would post my impression so far, for anyone who is still interested. BTW, I have been a long-time Slacker user, but recently have been experiencing random disruptions to the Slacker stream with an error in the log "500 Can't connect to www dot slacker dot com:443 (Network is unreachable)". I tried to solve that problem for a few weeks with no luck, so I thought I might give another service a try. Hello Deezer! ;)

So, here are my thoughts after using Deezer for about a week (FYI - I am currently in the 1 month trial, which provides full features and no commercials):

Pros:
* Works well with iPeng for track listing and cover art
* Decent selection of artists and music
* Changes made in the Web interface (like favorite tracks or artists) are easy to locate in the LMS player interface
* The "Listening History" on the Web interface (deezer.com) includes everything that is played through LMS!!

Cons:
* Fine-tuning of Smart stations doesn't appear to be possible, at least in the way that Pandora and Slacker allow you to add tracks or artists to an existing station
* "Flow" appears to be based on your entire favorites list, so it doesn't really adhere to any genre differences. Basically, just a big "shuffle play" of all your favorites, regardless of genre
* Limited list of pre-programmed stations. Slacker, in particular, had a large amount of curated and DJ hosted stations as well as special stations like Holiday-themed music

And a couple of observations about using Deezer with LMS/iPeng
* I too have noticed the problem with the "skip" function. It seemed to think I was out of skips from day 1, even though, as I stated above, I'm currently on the trial subscription, which should allow for unlimited skips.
* I miss having a "thumbs up" and "thumbs-down" or similar option to easily mark a track as a favorite or as unwanted. The Web interface has this function, but the plugin doesn't.

I'd be curious to find out if any progress has been made on the feature/functionality of the Deezer plugin.

Thanks for listening!

-Peter

th80
2017-03-19, 02:35
Hi mherger.
I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow api (http://developers.deezer.com/api/user/flow).

Because I heavily use flow in the morning and on weekends. But I recognize often the same order of songs. Even when pausing a song and restart flow, I get the same song B after song A like on the day before. It looks like squeezeNetwork caches the songs over days (as an enduser I just have this feeling).

I believe that also because the mobile app and the api explorer does not behave like that. They are not that repetitive.

For me the experience with deezer flow of the plugin is much worse than through the app and the simulations via api explorer.

Could you please investigate a bit?

Many thanks :-)
Thomas

mherger
2017-03-21, 07:20
> I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow api
> (http://developers.deezer.com/api/user/flow).

Yes, it does.

> Because I heavily use flow in the morning and on weekends. But I
> recognize often the same order of songs. Even when pausing a song and
> restart flow, I get the same song B after song A like on the day before.
> It looks like squeezeNetwork caches the songs over days (as an enduser I
> just have this feeling).

It shouldn't. I checked again, and the flow call is one of the few
(mostly user related) calls which are supposed not to be cached on the
server.

> For me the experience with deezer flow of the plugin is much worse than
> through the app and the simulations via api explorer.

Ok, interesting. But it wouldn't be totally off, like you would get
somebody else's mix? It still is not totally unexpected music?

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Michael

th80
2017-03-21, 13:22
> I wonder if the deezer plugin already makes use of the flow api[color=blue]


Ok, interesting. But it wouldn't be totally off, like you would get
somebody else's mix? It still is not totally unexpected music?



Hi,

No, it is still music that belongs to my history and fits into my flow. I just wonder why the plugin is so repetitive while for example the API explorer on the deezer developers page provides a different track list with each request.

Best
Thomas