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cd1999
2016-05-11, 09:25
Hello, is there any way to stream Pandora at higher bit rate than 128k?
I have Pandora One subscription, few Duet receivers and running LMS 7.8.1.
Thanks.

toby10
2016-05-11, 11:48
I believe Pandora limits 192k to only their web player. Duet is limited to 24/48 so those 192k streams will be downsampled to 24/48 anyway.

garym
2016-05-11, 11:57
I believe Pandora limits 192k to only their web player. I don't think your Duets would play those 192k streams anyway. Duet is limited to 24/48.

Hi toby10. correct that pandora one higher bitrate streams don't work with squeezeboxes. But regarding duet, it *could* theoretically play these streams. These are 192 kbps mp3 files (vs 128 kbps mp3). I think you were thinking of 24/96 or 24/192 lossless files (which would NOT play on a duet receiver).

toby10
2016-05-11, 12:06
Yeah, should rephrase that (I will above). The 192k streams will get downsampled to 24/48 anyway so there is no real benefit to getting the 192k streams.

garym
2016-05-11, 12:09
Yeah, should rephrase that (I will above). The 192k streams will get downsampled to 24/28 anyway so there is no real benefit to getting the 192k streams.

sorry, I still think you're misinterpreting the "192 streams" reference. These (pandora one streams) are still 192kbs mp3 streams made from 16/44.1 CDs. All squeezeboxes will play these with no downsamping (as they will mp3 files that are 256kbs or 320kbs) These are not hi-res streams such as 24/192 or 24/96. Those streams WOULD be downsampled to 24/48 on duet.

Julf
2016-05-11, 12:23
Yeah, should rephrase that (I will above). The 192k streams will get downsampled to 24/48 anyway so there is no real benefit to getting the 192k streams.

Garym is talking about a 192 kbit/s data rate mp3 stream, not a 192 khz sample rate PCM stream.

toby10
2016-05-11, 12:34
My bad guys. Brain fart. I was confusing kbps with hi-res. I need a vacation. :)

Julf
2016-05-11, 12:45
My bad guys. Brain fart. I was confusing kbps with hi-res. I need a vacation. :)

Who doesn't :)

garym
2016-05-11, 13:47
Who doesn't :)

Amen👍

mherger
2016-05-11, 14:12
> Hello, is there any way to stream Pandora at higher bit rate than 128k?

No. Unfortunately Pandora has shown no interest in supporting higher
bitrates on the SB.

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Michael

cd1999
2016-05-11, 15:19
Thank you everyone for the clarification.
I'm also using Spotify (Triode plugin @ 320k) and it seems that the quality of the audio is significantly better.
Also, one of my players is Raspberry Pi with Squeezlite, but that stream also seems to be limited to 128k (looks like Pandora API limitation).
I understand that Pandora is allowing 192k on Sonos.
It is a pity that they can't do the same for LMS.
Chris

Paul Webster
2016-05-11, 21:24
If Sonos listeners are getting it at 192k then that is a change from the past.
Would be interesting to know since it implies that Pandora have at least made the changes at their end for such a thing to work, implying it is a commercial limitation now.
Here is an old thread on Sonos forum showing that the had the same issue - and it includes feedback from Pandora with reasons.
https://en.community.sonos.com/troubleshooting-228999/pandora-one-13066

cd1999
2016-05-12, 03:20
Sonos seem to suggest that 192k Pandora stream is available on their devices on this page:
https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/64/~/pandora-and-sonos


If Sonos listeners are getting it at 192k then that is a change from the past.
Would be interesting to know since it implies that Pandora have at least made the changes at their end for such a thing to work, implying it is a commercial limitation now.
Here is an old thread on Sonos forum showing that the had the same issue - and it includes feedback from Pandora with reasons.
https://en.community.sonos.com/troubleshooting-228999/pandora-one-13066

Paul Webster
2016-05-12, 05:29
I did some more digging - and found that Sonos implemented it on 1st October about 2 years ago (I don't know if that is 2013 or 2014 because their forum post does not show precise date.

https://en.community.sonos.com/music-services-and-sources-228994/enable-higher-bitrate-option-for-pandora-one-on-sonos-4460034/index3.html#post13031517

So - implies to me that it is a commercial rather than technical reason that prevents it for MySqueeze users.

Julf
2016-05-12, 05:31
I'm also using Spotify (Triode plugin @ 320k) and it seems that the quality of the audio is significantly better.

There has been reports that Spotify actually compresses and equalizes the material, so it might be that the difference is not down to bit rate.