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Triple Sec
2004-12-15, 10:43
Any chance that we may see SLIMP3 devices capable of handling digital video
formats in the near future? To be honest I have put off getting an SLIMP3
box because of this. Once this functionality has been integrated I would
buy one for the main home entertainment system.

Eventually I would probably buy just an audio version for other home
systems. But have to sell the first one to the wife hah!

Anyway, just some thoughts.

Thanks,

T

kdf
2004-12-15, 10:55
Quoting Triple Sec <triplesec99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>:

> Any chance that we may see SLIMP3 devices capable of handling digital video
> formats in the near future? To be honest I have put off getting an SLIMP3
> box because of this. Once this functionality has been integrated I would
> buy one for the main home entertainment system.
>
As always, that kind of question can only be answered with a very solid 'maybe'.
The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no software
solution. While the slimserver software is open source, the hardware is not as
open. Slim Devices makes it a policy not to comment on future hardware. If
there is a market for it, and it can be produced in a way that can make
money...well, that's the reason behind any company producing any product :)

-kdf

Anthony James
2004-12-16, 04:27
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no software
> solution.

Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that
turns a Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other
transmission method to take the video to the TV

http://videobox.sourceforge.net/

Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my
squeezebox rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the
TV on to browse my music collection. If I do start collecting video
on my server the likely TV client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia
Centre. Cheap and powerful (if a little noisy).

Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.

David Jameson
2004-12-16, 06:46
I'm currently looking at a modified XBox solution as well - problem is that
there is so much information out there, it's hard to actually figure out
what to get! I haven't had time to sit down for enough hours to wade through
everything.

D



"Anthony James" <b33k34 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:708eebfb04121603275d11f97a (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf
> <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
>> The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no software
>> solution.
>
> Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that
> turns a Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other
> transmission method to take the video to the TV
>
> http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
>
> Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my
> squeezebox rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the
> TV on to browse my music collection. If I do start collecting video
> on my server the likely TV client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia
> Centre. Cheap and powerful (if a little noisy).
>
> Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.

Michael Alletto
2004-12-16, 08:43
I personally know 3 people that would buy this if it were available.
Don't want to mess with getting a xbox modded and the confusing
information out there about getting it all to work. They want a
simple solution that works great. So if I know 3, I'm sure there are
a ton of others.


On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:59:01 -0700, Jason <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net> wrote:
> Remember that Slim makes zero dollars on their software solution, so the
> only way it makes sense for them to build a video solution is if there is a
> large demand (more than the users represented on this list) for a video
> solution, and if they can build one that is affordable enough to compete
> with the cheap modded X-boxes, etc, that are out on the market.
>
> Personally I suspect that this is a tiny niche market (much more so than
> streaming audio players) and they can't justify the development of something
> like this right now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony James
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:28 AM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Video
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> > The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no
> > software solution.
>
> Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that turns a
> Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other transmission method
> to take the video to the TV
>
> http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
>
> Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my squeezebox
> rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the TV on to browse my
> music collection. If I do start collecting video on my server the likely TV
> client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia Centre. Cheap and powerful (if
> a little noisy).
>
> Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.
>

kdf
2004-12-16, 10:21
Quoting Anthony James <b33k34 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> > The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no software
> > solution.
>
> Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that
> turns a Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other
> transmission method to take the video to the TV
>
> http://videobox.sourceforge.net/

I highly recommend this plugin, btw. It can handle wake on lan and shutdown
(except win2k which messed with the shutdown command). Its a totally different
way to do a plugin. Its just a simple interface on the player that wakes any
single computer on the network, then waits for CLI commands from a windows
media player widget.

-kdf

Anthony Webb
2004-12-16, 10:39
And how do you suppose that Slim will know there is a "huge demand
outside this list" unless someone beats them to the punch and does it
first only to completely cut them out.

It's better to be first than best. I wouldnt say it is a niche market
at all. Lots of people out there buy dvd's and would like to protect
them in the closet yet have access to them all around the house.

Sure slim would have to incur some risk to be first, but the potential
reward is too great for them to sit around and let someone else beat
them to it. Solutions are emerging and if slim plans on playing in that
arena, a "me too" product will not have near the impact and the buzz
that the first will get.

Just my thoughts.


Jason wrote:
> Remember that Slim makes zero dollars on their software solution, so the
> only way it makes sense for them to build a video solution is if there is a
> large demand (more than the users represented on this list) for a video
> solution, and if they can build one that is affordable enough to compete
> with the cheap modded X-boxes, etc, that are out on the market.
>
> Personally I suspect that this is a tiny niche market (much more so than
> streaming audio players) and they can't justify the development of something
> like this right now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony James
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:28 AM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Video
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no
>>software solution.
>
>
> Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that turns a
> Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other transmission method
> to take the video to the TV
>
> http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
>
> Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my squeezebox
> rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the TV on to browse my
> music collection. If I do start collecting video on my server the likely TV
> client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia Centre. Cheap and powerful (if
> a little noisy).
>
> Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.
>

Aaron Zinck
2004-12-16, 12:01
They certainly wouldn't be first--There are many other companies (linksys,
dlink. prismiq, roku, and many, many others) which currently offer
out-of-box video (and for that matter, audio and image) solutions.

I own a squeezebox because of its directness of purpose and the elegance of
its execution. If the same design philosophy could be brought to bear on a
video system, then I'd be all for it. But the R&D necessary to develop a
good, mature product might well cripple a small company like slim. Take a
look at Prismiq as an example--as they try to roll out a new product their
old product is languishing without support, their users are growing upset
and restless, and the new product launch date is pushed ever further back.
I love that new functionality is being added to my slim/squeeze setup every
day.

"Anthony Webb" <ievolve (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:cpsh88$5db$1 (AT) sea (DOT) gmane.org...
> And how do you suppose that Slim will know there is a "huge demand
> outside this list" unless someone beats them to the punch and does it
> first only to completely cut them out.
>
> It's better to be first than best. I wouldnt say it is a niche market
> at all. Lots of people out there buy dvd's and would like to protect
> them in the closet yet have access to them all around the house.
>
> Sure slim would have to incur some risk to be first, but the potential
> reward is too great for them to sit around and let someone else beat
> them to it. Solutions are emerging and if slim plans on playing in that
> arena, a "me too" product will not have near the impact and the buzz
> that the first will get.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
>
> Jason wrote:
> > Remember that Slim makes zero dollars on their software solution, so the
> > only way it makes sense for them to build a video solution is if there
is a
> > large demand (more than the users represented on this list) for a video
> > solution, and if they can build one that is affordable enough to compete
> > with the cheap modded X-boxes, etc, that are out on the market.
> >
> > Personally I suspect that this is a tiny niche market (much more so than
> > streaming audio players) and they can't justify the development of
something
> > like this right now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony James
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:28 AM
> > To: Slim Devices Discussion
> > Subject: [slim] Video
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf
<slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >> The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no
> >>software solution.
> >
> >
> > Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that
turns a
> > Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other transmission
method
> > to take the video to the TV
> >
> > http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my
squeezebox
> > rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the TV on to
browse my
> > music collection. If I do start collecting video on my server the
likely TV
> > client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia Centre. Cheap and powerful
(if
> > a little noisy).
> >
> > Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.
> >

Anthony James
2004-12-16, 12:08
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:39:08 -0700, Anthony Webb <ievolve (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> And how do you suppose that Slim will know there is a "huge demand
> outside this list" unless someone beats them to the punch and does it
> first only to completely cut them out.
>
> It's better to be first than best.

I don't agree with that at all. It's often not the company that is
first to market that is ultimately successful. The first company has
to do a lot of work to build a market segment and learn what customers
want. A later entrant can often capitalise on this work, the fact
that a technology is established and then make a big entry later.
That's probably the biggest risk to Slim at the moment. They were an
early entrant as far as streaming audio goes (were they actually
first) but there have been a number of others that have come and gone
(Audiotron for example).

The video segment is already fairly busy. To name two products at
different prices -
- Hauppauge MVP. This sells for around 50, runs Linux and is
hackable. Theres' not a lot of margin to be made when someone's
selling kit at that price.
- Pinnacle Showcenter. Used to be 200 but I think you can pick it up
a fair bit cheaper now. Meant to be the best of the bunch
- NAD (the hi-fi company) have just launched something as well that
will be at the top end.

Add to that numerous WINXP MCE extenders that will appear in the next
few months.

Slim still have the best product in the Audio only segment, mainly on
account of the display but also a lot to do with the software and
support.

David Jameson
2004-12-16, 16:01
Since you don't know me, count me as the 4th!

Several other companies are (trying to be) in this market but their
solutions just don't work well (I've tried two of them).

D


"Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
in message news:49536fef0412160743196cbcbc (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>I personally know 3 people that would buy this if it were available.
> Don't want to mess with getting a xbox modded and the confusing
> information out there about getting it all to work. They want a
> simple solution that works great. So if I know 3, I'm sure there are
> a ton of others.
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:59:01 -0700, Jason
> <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net> wrote:
>> Remember that Slim makes zero dollars on their software solution, so the
>> only way it makes sense for them to build a video solution is if there is
>> a
>> large demand (more than the users represented on this list) for a video
>> solution, and if they can build one that is affordable enough to compete
>> with the cheap modded X-boxes, etc, that are out on the market.
>>
>> Personally I suspect that this is a tiny niche market (much more so than
>> streaming audio players) and they can't justify the development of
>> something
>> like this right now.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]
>> On Behalf Of Anthony James
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:28 AM
>> To: Slim Devices Discussion
>> Subject: [slim] Video
>>
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf
>> <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
>> > The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no
>> > software solution.
>>
>> Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that turns
>> a
>> Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other transmission
>> method
>> to take the video to the TV
>>
>> http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my
>> squeezebox
>> rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the TV on to browse
>> my
>> music collection. If I do start collecting video on my server the likely
>> TV
>> client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia Centre. Cheap and powerful
>> (if
>> a little noisy).
>>
>> Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.
>>

David Jameson
2004-12-16, 16:02
Agreed - I owned a PrismIQ for 2 days and sent it back!

D

"Aaron Zinck" <azinck3 (AT) ufl (DOT) edu> wrote in message
news:cpsm25$k4g$1 (AT) sea (DOT) gmane.org...
> They certainly wouldn't be first--There are many other companies (linksys,
> dlink. prismiq, roku, and many, many others) which currently offer
> out-of-box video (and for that matter, audio and image) solutions.
>
> I own a squeezebox because of its directness of purpose and the elegance
> of
> its execution. If the same design philosophy could be brought to bear on
> a
> video system, then I'd be all for it. But the R&D necessary to develop a
> good, mature product might well cripple a small company like slim. Take a
> look at Prismiq as an example--as they try to roll out a new product their
> old product is languishing without support, their users are growing upset
> and restless, and the new product launch date is pushed ever further back.
> I love that new functionality is being added to my slim/squeeze setup
> every
> day.
>
> "Anthony Webb" <ievolve (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in
> message news:cpsh88$5db$1 (AT) sea (DOT) gmane.org...
>> And how do you suppose that Slim will know there is a "huge demand
>> outside this list" unless someone beats them to the punch and does it
>> first only to completely cut them out.
>>
>> It's better to be first than best. I wouldnt say it is a niche market
>> at all. Lots of people out there buy dvd's and would like to protect
>> them in the closet yet have access to them all around the house.
>>
>> Sure slim would have to incur some risk to be first, but the potential
>> reward is too great for them to sit around and let someone else beat
>> them to it. Solutions are emerging and if slim plans on playing in that
>> arena, a "me too" product will not have near the impact and the buzz
>> that the first will get.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>> Jason wrote:
>> > Remember that Slim makes zero dollars on their software solution, so
>> > the
>> > only way it makes sense for them to build a video solution is if there
> is a
>> > large demand (more than the users represented on this list) for a video
>> > solution, and if they can build one that is affordable enough to
>> > compete
>> > with the cheap modded X-boxes, etc, that are out on the market.
>> >
>> > Personally I suspect that this is a tiny niche market (much more so
>> > than
>> > streaming audio players) and they can't justify the development of
> something
>> > like this right now.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> >
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]
> On Behalf Of Anthony James
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:28 AM
>> > To: Slim Devices Discussion
>> > Subject: [slim] Video
>> >
>> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:55:41 -0800, kdf
> <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The current hardware is definately not capable, so there is no
>> >>software solution.
>> >
>> >
>> > Whilst the hardware is not capable I seem to there is a plugin that
> turns a
>> > Squeezebox into a video player but it needs some other transmission
> method
>> > to take the video to the TV
>> >
>> > http://videobox.sourceforge.net/
>> >
>> > Personally I think a video capable device would sit alongside my
> squeezebox
>> > rather than replace it. I don't want to have to turn the TV on to
> browse my
>> > music collection. If I do start collecting video on my server the
> likely TV
>> > client is a modified XBox running XBoxMedia Centre. Cheap and powerful
> (if
>> > a little noisy).
>> >
>> > Otherwise the Haupage MVP is dirt cheap.
>> >