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Charlie Stanton
2004-12-14, 07:02
Hi -

Repeaters are the worst way to go. You drop 1/2 of bandwidth for each
repeater. So on B with two repeaters your max. theoretical bandwidth is
2.75v Mb/s. Better is to add Access Points on discrete channels: thus you
could have one AP on channel three (wired back to your router) and one AP on
channel 9. The idea is to create discrete wireless zones. Ch. 3, 6 and 9
do not overlap. To the extent that they have mostly non-overlapping
coverage the better.

Further it buys you nothing to have different 'networks' (really ssid
values) - they all use the same frequency ranges so it is meaningless in
terms of performance (indeed if you had different ssids but ran them on the
same channel performance will degrade, not improve). Use the same SSID and
just create discrete zones as suggested above.

Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason [mailto:jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:28 AM
To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
Subject: [slim] re-design wireless network

Why are you convinced that you need repeaters? They are rarely necessary in
home sized wireless networks. What is the total distance going to be
between the wireless base station and the furthest wireless client?

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Andy Dannelley
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:17 PM
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] re-design wireless network

Hi

I'm still fighting with my wireless network. I've come to the conclusion
that maybe I should install a second wireless network just for music!

I have a couple of questions, and am in need of a good resource to do some
research.

I think part of my problem may be related to signal strength, so maybe I
need to have a network with more repeaters. My network is currently an
AIrport Extreme network with mixed G and B wireless cards in different
computers. I have a basestation nad a repeater.


I'm thinking I can just put up another network, and and only allow my
Slimp3 and Squeezeboxes to access it, and maybe use two repeaters to get
additional signal strength.

Some of my questions are:

1. How much BW will I eat up in having one base and two repeaters? (it will
be at B speeds since the players are all B devices) 2. How much BW does each
stream take for each Slimp3 and Squeezebox?

If I can find answers to those questions, maybe I can design a network with
enough signal strength to get the signal to the players and not have
dropouts.

What wireless router/access points would be good to use?

Airport Express?
Linksys?
Netgear?

Obviously I want the most "bang for the buck" but I also want easy
configuration and maintenance. Right now the Airport Express is easy to
manage for me with my Mac (I have an all Mac network except for one Windows
used by my son for gaming). So good Mac support is important to me.

Thanks,

AndyD

thnmnt
2004-12-14, 08:05
but if you have to wire these access points back to the router it takes away
from the whole point of a wireless network. maybe i'm not understanding
this. i have 2 wireless networks in my house. 1 G for websurfing, printing,
file sharing etc.. and one B with only 1 client - the wireless squeezebox.
my B access point is on the 3rd floor, my squeezebox is on the 1st. i have a
linksys range extender on my 2nd floor and my squeezebox works fine. i agree
that chaining repeaters together is probably not the best thing. what you
need to do is try a lot of different combinations of locations of the AP and
the repeater so that the combo covers what you need it to. in my case the
range extender does exactly what it needs to and any lost bandwidth is made
up for by the fact that i can now use my squeezebox.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Stanton" <charlie (AT) paea (DOT) net>
To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: [slim] re-design wireless network


> Hi -
>
> Repeaters are the worst way to go. You drop 1/2 of bandwidth for each
> repeater. So on B with two repeaters your max. theoretical bandwidth is
> 2.75v Mb/s. Better is to add Access Points on discrete channels: thus
you
> could have one AP on channel three (wired back to your router) and one AP
on
> channel 9. The idea is to create discrete wireless zones. Ch. 3, 6 and 9
> do not overlap. To the extent that they have mostly non-overlapping
> coverage the better.
>
> Further it buys you nothing to have different 'networks' (really ssid
> values) - they all use the same frequency ranges so it is meaningless in
> terms of performance (indeed if you had different ssids but ran them on
the
> same channel performance will degrade, not improve). Use the same SSID
and
> just create discrete zones as suggested above.
>
> Good luck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason [mailto:jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
> Subject: [slim] re-design wireless network
>
> Why are you convinced that you need repeaters? They are rarely necessary
in
> home sized wireless networks. What is the total distance going to be
> between the wireless base station and the furthest wireless client?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Andy Dannelley
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:17 PM
> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Subject: [slim] re-design wireless network
>
> Hi
>
> I'm still fighting with my wireless network. I've come to the conclusion
> that maybe I should install a second wireless network just for music!
>
> I have a couple of questions, and am in need of a good resource to do some
> research.
>
> I think part of my problem may be related to signal strength, so maybe I
> need to have a network with more repeaters. My network is currently an
> AIrport Extreme network with mixed G and B wireless cards in different
> computers. I have a basestation nad a repeater.
>
>
> I'm thinking I can just put up another network, and and only allow my
> Slimp3 and Squeezeboxes to access it, and maybe use two repeaters to get
> additional signal strength.
>
> Some of my questions are:
>
> 1. How much BW will I eat up in having one base and two repeaters? (it
will
> be at B speeds since the players are all B devices) 2. How much BW does
each
> stream take for each Slimp3 and Squeezebox?
>
> If I can find answers to those questions, maybe I can design a network
with
> enough signal strength to get the signal to the players and not have
> dropouts.
>
> What wireless router/access points would be good to use?
>
> Airport Express?
> Linksys?
> Netgear?
>
> Obviously I want the most "bang for the buck" but I also want easy
> configuration and maintenance. Right now the Airport Express is easy to
> manage for me with my Mac (I have an all Mac network except for one
Windows
> used by my son for gaming). So good Mac support is important to me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AndyD
>
>