Does somebody have plans to integrate things like Echo or Cortana into the LMS system ? I have an Echo and I see easily how I could use it for some controls :-)
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Personally, I'm hoping Amazon (or Logitech, or some 3rd party) does an integration between Echo and Harmony remotes. Then you could use voice controls for the managing the whole AV system... -
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Your discussion on a 3D printed case for picore (other thread, earlier) made me think. I thought of a player/server that would include an iThing dock. Seemed too ambitious.
However I went on fantasizing about a player/server that would include Bluetooth "beacon" tech (to get IPeng and others to automatically select the closest player). After a brief search I found this project.
It appears Siri is in the realm of Homekit, as is iBeacon... Please don't take my word for it and check by yourself if you care. All of this is way over my head.
On a personal note, I don't believe at all in voice command, but a lot in presence detection.
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Yep ... I've been working with VR for the last 25 years and it drove me nuts, especially because every time, there was supposed to be *the* algorythm that will make it fully usable. But I have to admit that after using Echo for a while, it is surprisingly good even with a lot of background noise. I've not paid a lot of attention, but it seems that neural networks are now working thanks to the insane increase of CPU power. I used to work on that topic in mid 80's and although it was fun, computers at that time where clearly lacking performancesLMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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Oh, voice recognition actually works and it has indeed already worked pretty well since the late 90s.
The biggest issue is that you need a huge semantic database to compare with if you want to analyze more complex phrases which used to be a problem for mobile solutions but now that they all just send some meta-analyzed voice (or in the case of echo even the raw recordings) back to some server farm and do all the work there it's obviously more feasible, especially since you no longer have to replicate that database to all devices.
The problem with VR is that it annoys everyone around you if you use it and speech is also pretty slow for a lot of tasks, I think that's more of a limitation than technology.
And then... call me old fashioned, but I don't want to have the NSA run their bots over every piece of sound generated in my home, recorded by an array mike that even detects the faintest whisper in the most remote corner...Last edited by pippin; 2015-08-10, 23:25.---
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The biggest issue is that you need a huge semantic database to compare with if you want to analyze more complex phrases which used to be a problem for mobile solutions but now that they all just send some meta-analyzed voice (or in the case of echo even the raw recordings) back to some server farm and do all the work there it's obviously more feasible, especially since you no longer have to replicate that database to all devices.
The problem with VR is that it annoys everyone around you if you use it and speech is also pretty slow for a lot of tasks, I think that's more of a limitation than technology.
And then... call me old fashioned, but I don't want to have the NSA run their bots over every piece of sound generated in my home, recorded by an array mike that even detects the faintest whisper in the most remote corner...LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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I praise your creativity.
Your discussion on a 3D printed case for picore (other thread, earlier) made me think. I thought of a player/server that would include an iThing dock. Seemed too ambitious.
However I went on fantasizing about a player/server that would include Bluetooth "beacon" tech (to get IPeng and others to automatically select the closest player). After a brief search I found this project.
It appears Siri is in the realm of Homekit, as is iBeacon... Please don't take my word for it and check by yourself if you care. All of this is way over my head.
On a personal note, I don't believe at all in voice command, but a lot in presence detection.
Anyways. Always great to see new ideas and initiatives.Last edited by philippe_44; 2015-08-11, 02:39.LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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Here in Berlin's tech community I'm recently seeing quite a number of people using Siri on their Apple Watch in public and I can't help it, I'm annoyed by someone adding a reminder next to me. It's a bit like talking on the phone in public, a pest that fortunately got quite significantly reduced in recent years due to the fact that people now tend to use messaging instead...
there are many many simple tasks where it is very convenient and where using any other sort of input system is slow & painful - a sort of sweet spot for VR
But something more complex like a search which requires several steps when done through a haptic UI can get much faster with voice because you can phrase more complex commands in a sentence than a simplified UX will usually directly allow.
I understand that although I'm afraid anything we do is already scanned, unfortunately. I've given up hope on that
And saying "I don't care" just makes it too easy for them. Companies like Apple and recently to a certain degree also Google are trying hard to fight back on the privacy front, let's not spoil all that by not caring about even more severe intrusions.
Phones and Watches at least only have near-field microphones, Echo OTOH...---
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Actually I believe it's primarily _complex_ tasks where it shines. Simple tasks like changing volume are much easier done by a physical controller, especially given latency and need to repeat the command.
But something more complex like a search which requires several steps when done through a haptic UI can get much faster with voice because you can phrase more complex commands in a sentence than a simplified UX will usually directly allow.LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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Yea, sure, if I accept to not have an input device for voice but to allow it to listen to my whole home, that's a case, too.
I know what you mean because it's actually the only reason I sometimes wear my Aplle Watch at home: to be able to quickly access basic player controls without having to grab for a device.
Still don't use Siri on it, for some reason it's always set to the wrong language. Actually that's indeed the biggest unsolved issue for me: detecting languages. I switch between English and German all the time when writing and my devices are usually all set to English but then if you e.g. Want to search for a navigation destination in Berlin it simply doesn't recognize them because they have German names.... Same the other way around for music: if I set the language to German but then want to search for an Album with an English name you first have to go figure how Siri feels that name might be pronounced in German....---
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Yea, sure, if I accept to not have an input device for voice but to allow it to listen to my whole home, that's a case, too.
I know what you mean because it's actually the only reason I sometimes wear my Aplle Watch at home: to be able to quickly access basic player controls without having to grab for a device.
Still don't use Siri on it, for some reason it's always set to the wrong language. Actually that's indeed the biggest unsolved issue for me: detecting languages. I switch between English and German all the time when writing and my devices are usually all set to English but then if you e.g. Want to search for a navigation destination in Berlin it simply doesn't recognize them because they have German names.... Same the other way around for music: if I set the language to German but then want to search for an Album with an English name you first have to go figure how Siri feels that name might be pronounced in German....Last edited by philippe_44; 2015-08-11, 04:38.LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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I started a thread a couple years ago and got yelled at by naysayers ;-)
The key that I think is important is to make it non-comprehensive. Make it SIMPLE:
It doesn't even have to be too complicated - I'm looking for commands
like: "Playlist Shane Favorites Random", "Skip Track", "Mute All",
"Sync All Players", "Play Artist Pink Floyd", "Play Album Dark Side of
the Moon", etc.
Sure there will be lots of easy ways to "trip it up", but being able to say something like "play favorite spa music" would even be helpful...Comment
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"Sync all players" is a wonderful example for something that doesn't work. Plenty of unanswered questions in that command....---
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So I started to look a tiny bit at that. Seems that you need to add an Alexa Skill https://developer.amazon.com/public/...-started-guide. Some have done that already for Sonos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlOBJJyulI4. Interesting, I might try my luck later with this although it seems like a lot where I would have preferred more local processing of the request. I'll look at how hue/wemo are integrated, it seems that it is a simple UPnP discovery request that then, when answered properly, adds some basic functions where Echo simply invoke the returned URL's when preset actions are requested laterLast edited by philippe_44; 2015-08-18, 05:32.LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3Comment
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