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kh6idf
2015-04-24, 09:23
This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio being output from the coaxial digital output. I switched to Pandora and I get audio.

Did something change with Rhapsody? Does it still work with the SB3? The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital audio output.

pippin
2015-04-24, 12:09
You probably have to update your server

kh6idf
2015-04-24, 16:15
I'm not running a server - this is using mysqueezebox.com. Also, I verified there is no audio using the analog outputs either, just on Rhapsody. Everything else works fine.

jo-wie
2015-04-25, 02:22
I've the same problem with SB3 and Boom. Lastest LMS 7.9 on Odroid.

rich-accountant
2015-04-25, 07:57
I've the same problem with SB3 and Boom. Lastest LMS 7.9 on Odroid.

I'm also having the same problem on my boom. Song buffers to 100% but there is no audio. Connected by mysb.com only

stubill
2015-04-25, 08:11
Same issue here on Boom and Duets - other services working well, but no audio on Rhapsody....

pippin
2015-04-25, 08:36
Ok, seems to be a general issue on ip3k devices. Radio and Touch still seem to work

kh6idf
2015-04-25, 08:53
yes, radio and all other services such as Pandora still produce audio.

One other thing I've discovered is the pause on the remote doesn't work when playing a song on Rhapsody (that I can't hear)

mherger
2015-04-25, 09:33
Thanks guys. I shot them a mail asking about it. Stay tuned.



> Am 24.04.2015 um 13:23 schrieb kh6idf <kh6idf.6vv2lz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
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> This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio
> being output from the coaxial digital output. I switched to Pandora and
> I get audio.
>
> Did something change with Rhapsody? Does it still work with the SB3?
> The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital
> audio output.
>
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kh6idf
2015-04-25, 11:46
I got the following email from Rhapsody today:

Hi-
Thank you for writing back to Rhapsody support.
There was a server problem from Rhapsody and it is now resolved. Please sign out from Rhapsody, restart device and try to sign in to access music with out any problem.
I have added seven days of free service as a special case towards the inconvenience caused.
If still you are having trouble then reply to this email with the exact error message you are receiving for further assistance.
-Nancy

But when I uninstalled Rhapsody from the SB3, powered off, then rebooted and re-installed Rhapsody (there was no option to 'sign out') there is still no audio (I sent them a return email stating this).

rich-accountant
2015-04-25, 12:53
I got the following email from Rhapsody today:

Hi-
Thank you for writing back to Rhapsody support.
There was a server problem from Rhapsody and it is now resolved. Please sign out from Rhapsody, restart device and try to sign in to access music with out any problem.
I have added seven days of free service as a special case towards the inconvenience caused.
If still you are having trouble then reply to this email with the exact error message you are receiving for further assistance.
-Nancy

But when I uninstalled Rhapsody from the SB3, powered off, then rebooted and re-installed Rhapsody (there was no option to 'sign out') there is still no audio (I sent them a return email stating this).

Still not working for me. Thanks for the updates

pippin
2015-04-25, 14:19
There is an option to sign out - on MySqueezebox.com.
Didn't help for me neither, though.

cheztaz
2015-04-26, 05:42
I am having the same, whether via LMS or controlled with my controller, Rhapsody/Napster not playing music. All others play - radio etc, but no sound at all - looks to be buffering from 3% to 100% straight away but no audio, and progress bar now moving on the squeezebox boom.

cheztaz
2015-04-26, 07:43
Received a reply to my issue:

Here (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103538-LMS-amp-squeezebox-amp-napster)

mjn34
2015-04-26, 10:01
Having the same Rhapsody problem with SB3. Artists and albums come up on the squeezebox app however no sound.



I got the following email from Rhapsody today:

Hi-
Thank you for writing back to Rhapsody support.
There was a server problem from Rhapsody and it is now resolved. Please sign out from Rhapsody, restart device and try to sign in to access music with out any problem.
I have added seven days of free service as a special case towards the inconvenience caused.
If still you are having trouble then reply to this email with the exact error message you are receiving for further assistance.
-Nancy

But when I uninstalled Rhapsody from the SB3, powered off, then rebooted and re-installed Rhapsody (there was no option to 'sign out') there is still no audio (I sent them a return email stating this).

lsisle
2015-04-26, 11:47
If anyone figures it out, please let us know...I have same issue

Jimini
2015-04-26, 18:50
I have this issue with Rhapsody also, and I sent them a polite email asking for a fix. Doesn't hurt to let them know that there are still plenty of people who wish to use their nice service with older players.

mherger
2015-04-27, 03:37
Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of question. Will let you know as I learn more.



> Am 25.04.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net>:
>
> Thanks guys. I shot them a mail asking about it. Stay tuned.
>
>
>
>> Am 24.04.2015 um 13:23 schrieb kh6idf <kh6idf.6vv2lz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
>>
>>
>> This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio
>> being output from the coaxial digital output. I switched to Pandora and
>> I get audio.
>>
>> Did something change with Rhapsody? Does it still work with the SB3?
>> The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital
>> audio output.
>>
>>
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cheztaz
2015-04-27, 04:17
Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of question. Will let you know as I learn more.



> Am 25.04.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net>:
>
> Thanks guys. I shot them a mail asking about it. Stay tuned.
>
>
>
>> Am 24.04.2015 um 13:23 schrieb kh6idf <kh6idf.6vv2lz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
>>
>>
>> This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio
>> being output from the coaxial digital output. I switched to Pandora and
>> I get audio.
>>
>> Did something change with Rhapsody? Does it still work with the SB3?
>> The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital
>> audio output.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> kh6idf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16848
>> View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103529
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Cheers hun! Looks like I will be buying a new squeezebox. Are there any others out there which can connect to my surround sound system?

christoph02
2015-04-27, 04:20
Hi,

Just to double check what I read:
I can no longer listen to Napster on Receiver and Boom?

If this is right, my whole Squeezebox world is in question.
I am using Napster every day for me and my kids.

Please keep us updated.

It seems, that I need to find alternatives using 3rd party hardware to replace my Receiver and probably the Boom as well.

Regards,
Christoph

pippin
2015-04-27, 05:45
Be aware that Napster/Rhapsody is not working on 3rd party HW either. It currently only works on Touch and Radio.

That's the problem with these services requiring end-to-end encryption instead of just doing proper authorization of the stream use.

toby10
2015-04-27, 06:33
Just to double check what I read:
I can no longer listen to Napster on Receiver and Boom?



Yes

pippin
2015-04-27, 09:25
Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of question. Will let you know as I learn more.



BTW: are you sure it's a bigger change and not just some certificate change or so like the last time?
The reason I'm wondering is that Touch and Radio still work. Would an outright encryption change not affect those, too?

cheztaz
2015-04-27, 11:03
Reply from Napster:

Alice (Napster)
27 Apr, 10:22 am

Hi Cheryl,

Thank you for contacting the Napster Customer Support.

I am sorry that you are not able to stream Napster music from Logitech squeezebox. Certainly, I will assist you.

With the recent upgrade in the Napster software, we got an SSL certificate error with squeezebox audio systems. The firmware update is about to be released for Logitech Squeezebox very soon by the manufacturer. This will resolve the issue.

I apologize for the inconvenience caused.

If you have any other questions or clarifications, please reply to this message. We will be glad to assist you.

Thank you,

Alice
Napster Customer Support.

fcm4711
2015-04-27, 11:53
Hi there

Rhapsody/Napster removed support for some older insecure TLS/SSL ciphers using RC4. Going forward they only allow ciphers using AES or better. On SB Touch, SB Radio and Smart Radio the TLS library I was able to upgrade with the latest firmware supports RC4 and AES ciphers. So they are fine. However the proprietary TLS package in the older devices only supports RC4 and therefore these devices can no longer talk to Rhapsody's/Napster's servers.

Sorry
Felix

LeatherJack
2015-04-27, 12:13
This will be a real shame - if not fixable and I can no longer run Napster on Duet and my Slim Devices it could be time to say goodbye to Squeezebox :-(
Or it there still hope?

kh6idf
2015-04-27, 18:47
I am sorry to inform that due to disable of some SSL cyphers update, below Squeeze box model devices will no longer work with Rhapsody.

- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox Boom

I hope you can understand my limitation in helping you regarding this issue. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

-Nancy

After receiving the above email, I don't think I can justify keeping my Rhapsody subscription just for occasional use with portable devices. I'll have to investigate an alternative streaming service, if any, that works with my SB3. Otherwise I'll just be content to listen to internet radio.

jo-wie
2015-04-27, 20:02
Byte Bye Rhapsody!

I'll keep my Black Beauties, drop Rhapsody and I hope that the Spotify plugin do last longer.

cheztaz
2015-04-27, 22:52
I am sorry to inform that due to disable of some SSL cyphers update, below Squeeze box model devices will no longer work with Rhapsody.

- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox Boom

I hope you can understand my limitation in helping you regarding this issue. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

-Nancy

After receiving the above email, I don't think I can justify keeping my Rhapsody subscription just for occasional use with portable devices. I'll have to investigate an alternative streaming service, if any, that works with my SB3. Otherwise I'll just be content to listen to internet radio.

thanks for your help, you got a better answer than I did. Are there any other squeezeboxes out there which you can plug your surround sound into that you are aware of?

LeatherJack
2015-04-28, 02:25
Yes, great work on getting clarity from Rhapsody. Really appreciate it.

Can anyone advise on whether Spotify works with Duet receiver and Slim Devices? Not sure if I need to be more specific on the models for an answer?

Much appreciate help.

I love Rhapsody, was originally thinking my Squeezebox love affair had come to an end, but it could be Rhapsody that goes....

kh6idf
2015-04-28, 03:50
thanks for your help, you got a better answer than I did. Are there any other squeezeboxes out there which you can plug your surround sound into that you are aware of?

I'm not aware of any SB models that aren't on that list, but maybe someone else knows of some.

If I keep using the Squeezebox (which I would like to do) I'm going to check out some other streaming services like classical.com, but I liked Rhapsody for their large classical collection and their variety of other genres as well.

toby10
2015-04-28, 03:52
Newer players Touch & Radio are (correctly) not on that list. They still work with new Rhapsody/Napster encryption.

cheztaz
2015-04-28, 05:00
Newer players Touch & Radio are (correctly) not on that list. They still work with new Rhapsody/Napster encryption.

Thanks - can the Touch and Radio be plugged into my surround sound system?

pippin
2015-04-28, 05:52
Sure. The Radio is pretty much a standalone system with just a headphone out but Touch is perfect for HiFi systems. It's essentially an SB3 successor

cheztaz
2015-04-28, 07:47
Thanks...I think it is bye bye Napster/Rhapsody time....and will try out Spotify - but this is only available through LMS isn't it?

garym
2015-04-28, 11:31
Thanks...I think it is bye bye Napster/Rhapsody time....and will try out Spotify - but this is only available through LMS isn't it?

for radio/touch via mysb.com. but for older players, need the 3rd party plugin running through LMS to use spotify.

donsmit
2015-04-28, 16:29
After emailing Rhapsody about this issue--their reply seems to blame Logitech - I'm sure Logitech blames Rhapsody--at any rate, it sure looks like longtime customers of both "services" are out of luck.:mad:


Vincent (Help Team)
Apr 28, 12:50 AM
Hi,
I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on Logitech Squeezebox Duet. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Logitech has made a change last week to disable some SSL cyphers as required for PCI compliance. With this change, some devices are no longer function with Rhapsody service. Logitech looked through the source code and found that for these devices, there is no AES implementation, so these device will no longer function with Rhapsody app.
The affected device models are :
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
-Vincent

pippin
2015-04-28, 18:36
I think blame is a complicated thing in this case.
The switch to AES is probably inevitable, without it TLS is insecure and why would they want to use an insecure encryption...
No idea about whether it's feasible at all to put AES onto the ip3k processor (probably yes, it's a network processor) but if you run out of memory it means some other codec would have to go and that will inevitably affect a lot of radio listeners. So if I were Logitech or Michael, even without considering the work it would be Rhapsody I'd throw out because then it's THEIR change which broke something, not mine.

cinemafx
2015-04-29, 11:30
I received an email from Vincent saying that Squeezebox was not supported. I can verify that my Transporter, Duet, Controller and Boom no longer word. Rhapsody is history for me at this point. It was great while it lasted.

dbinfl
2015-04-29, 18:47
for radio/touch via mysb.com. but for older players, need the 3rd party plugin running through LMS to use spotify.

Got this hooked up today - Spotify premium with Triode's plugin. Works like a charm against my older players. Spotify has one big feature that I like about Rhapsody; I can add whole albums to my library, so that is good. One drawback is that the lookup of a currently playing song on other services (e.g. Pandora is playing, look up the song on Rhapsody) doesn't include Spotify in the list of lookup sources. I added lots of stuff to Rhapsody over the years with this feature.

Oh well, the sun is clearly setting on the Squeezebox ecosystem. But at least this buys me some time.
~dbinfl~

pippin
2015-04-29, 20:17
One drawback is that the lookup of a currently playing song on other services (e.g. Pandora is playing, look up the song on Rhapsody) doesn't include Spotify in the list of lookup sources. I added lots of stuff to Rhapsody over the years with this feature.


You don't happen to use iPeng, don't you?
Because that has a global search feature at least for tracks in the current playlist. Through that you can search for the album or artist of a track also on Spotify. It's more or less like these "on whatever" hooks just with the intermediate step of having to select the service first.

I just used that to migrate my Rhapsody library to Spotify because I, too, decided it's time to leave Rhapsody, I have barely ever used it in the last years anymore and if it now also stops to work on most of my devices...

RSJ
2015-04-29, 23:57
Can some one explain this change on Logitech's side? I'm not real savy on all this encryption stuff but when I looked up PCI compliance it has to do with credit card payments. So what does credit card payments have to do with streaming music from Rhapsody?

fcm4711
2015-04-30, 01:05
Vincent (Help Team)
Apr 28, 12:50 AM
Hi,
I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on Logitech Squeezebox Duet. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Logitech has made a change last week to disable some SSL cyphers as required for PCI compliance. With this change, some devices are no longer function with Rhapsody service. Logitech looked through the source code and found that for these devices, there is no AES implementation, so these device will no longer function with Rhapsody app.
The affected device models are :
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
-Vincent

Just to clarify. The above isn't 100% correct. It should read:

Hi,
I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on Logitech Squeezebox Duet. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Rhapsody has made a change last week to disable some SSL cyphers as required for PCI compliance. With this change, some devices are no longer function with Rhapsody service. Logitech looked through the source code and found that for these devices, there is no AES implementation, so these device will no longer function with Rhapsody app.
The affected device models are :
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
- Squeezebox Boom
- Transporter
-Vincent

Felix

fcm4711
2015-04-30, 01:12
Can some one explain this change on Logitech's side? I'm not real savy on all this encryption stuff but when I looked up PCI compliance it has to do with credit card payments. So what does credit card payments have to do with streaming music from Rhapsody?

Hi RSJ

I can only assume that Rhapsody is running other things than serving music like CC payments on these backend servers too which required the update.

Felix

pippin
2015-04-30, 03:45
I can only assume that Rhapsody is running other things than serving music like CC payments on these backend servers too which required the update.


C'mon Felix, you and I know how serving up content through SSL/TLS works so it was pretty obvious that at some time the crypto server's maker would enforce or at least strongly discourage use of the old standard. They don't want to be at fault when something gets hacked.
Like everybody else they will use standard crypto boxes, don't you think so?

fcm4711
2015-04-30, 05:02
C'mon Felix, you and I know how serving up content through SSL/TLS works so it was pretty obvious that at some time the crypto server's maker would enforce or at least strongly discourage use of the old standard. They don't want to be at fault when something gets hacked.
Like everybody else they will use standard crypto boxes, don't you think so?

I agree, it was bound to happen. Actually I am surprised it didn't happen earlier.

Felix

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 10:07
Got set up with a Spotify Premium for a month free to try it out....
Easy to get it going on Squeezebox thanks to guidance available on this site - many thanks.
But and it is a HUGE but.... with the 3rd party SPOTIFY plugin you can only stream to 1 Squeezebox at a time... a serious regression to the multiple I could have with Napster... and simply not going to work in my household...

So we have a short term fix, which will cause some serious arguments.... so VERY short term.

So options as I see them...

- bite the bullet, move reluctantly over to SONOS - reckon it is £600 of hardware I need to buy
- replace 2 Duet Receivers and my Slim Device with 3 Touch. Might not work out much cheaper and how long before these suffer something similar?

Thoughts? I'm thinking Squeezebox has reached it's natural end now?

If I switch and keep Napster/Rhapsody at least I don't need to rebuild all my catalogues...

pippin
2015-04-30, 10:24
Deezer? Tidal? The "one track at a time" limit is a Spotify speciality related to the libspotify library

Squeezeisfab
2015-04-30, 11:57
Deezer? Tidal? The "one track at a time" limit is a Spotify speciality related to the libspotify library

Hi a couple of silly questions

1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in time?

2. Would it be possible to build an lms plugin to handle the decryption and then stream to players? Similar I guess to how triodes spotify plugin works?

Many thanks...

pippin
2015-04-30, 12:01
1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in time?

Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?

Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I don't have an overview. But the fact that the Squeezeboxes were designed as a "thin client" and actually was already at the limit of capacity when Rhapsody was originally included surely will not have helped.



2. Would it be possible to build an lms plugin to handle the decryption and then stream to players? Similar I guess to how triodes spotify plugin works?


Technically possible: sure. Allowed by Rhapsody: probably not, they have end-to-end encryption in their security concept, they have to assure that. That's the whole reason for all this hassle.
Also: it can't be simply a plugin, plugins are being distributed as source code, everybody would get the keys. It would have to be something more complex and secure, such as libspotify. See my comments about that.

Squeezeisfab
2015-04-30, 12:13
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?

Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I don't have an overview. But the fact that the Squeezeboxes were designed as a "thin client" and actually was already at the limit of capacity when Rhapsody was originally included surely will not have helped.



Technically possible: sure. Allowed by Rhapsody: probably not, they have end-to-end encryption in their security concept, they have to assure that. That's the whole reason for all this hassle.
Also: it can't be simply a plugin, plugins are being distributed as source code, everybody would get the keys. It would have to be something more complex and secure, such as libspotify. See my comments about that.

Hi sorry re first question I meant the encryption issue.

pippin
2015-04-30, 12:14
And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other services?

Squeezeisfab
2015-04-30, 12:22
And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other services?

Yes why don't other services suffer from the same encryption issue? Or will they in time?

One other question. I thought the squeezebox could use wpa2 Aes encryption when connecting to the wifi. Is there nothing there that can be used there to decode the rhapsody stream? Sorry that might sound daft just exploring ideas...

pippin
2015-04-30, 12:29
Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their paying customers who are trying to rob them.
But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old contracts and these contracts require the end-to-end encryption.

The WiFi encryption won't help, you know your password. Remember: it's YOU who they want to prevent from directly accessing the streams. The purpose is to make sure that YOU cannot record the streams. And yes, I'm well aware you still can... And yes, I'm also aware you probably wouldn't, but that's what this all about. It's the same kind of thinking as with then DRM in Audible and so many other nonsense going on.

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 12:46
Thanks Pippin for the early suggestion.
I have taken a look at Deezer and it looks promising. Have set up a free account, got it set up on my NAS LMS and started to have a play.
Was not impressed with the User interface at all.... so after a bit more digging into options came across ickStream.
Installed that and hey presto, a great user interface to front Deezer.
Feel like I am getting somewhere....
BUT (another but) - only getting first 30 seconds of each track when played through ickStream.

Any ideas what might be wrong?

pippin
2015-04-30, 12:51
Hm, which account type do you have? Does it play full tracks through MySqueezebox.com?

While most other services don't play anything at all on Squeezeboxes when you don't have the necessary "premium" account, Deezer plays the 30s samples

Squeezeisfab
2015-04-30, 13:06
Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their paying customers who are trying to rob them.
But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old contracts and these contracts require the end-to-end encryption.

The WiFi encryption won't help, you know your password. Remember: it's YOU who they want to prevent from directly accessing the streams. The purpose is to make sure that YOU cannot record the streams. And yes, I'm well aware you still can... And yes, I'm also aware you probably wouldn't, but that's what this all about. It's the same kind of thinking as with then DRM in Audible and so many other nonsense going on.

Thanks for explanation Pippin. Sounds like they are cutting off their own noses then. I already run spotify premium but still think some of the rhapsody functionality is better.

Will keep fingers crossed that somebody works out a solution to the problem else they will be loosing my monthly fee shortly!

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 13:14
Yep, that appears to be it Pippin. Have subscribed to the full service (free month trial) and it now plays whole track.
Got it working on Slim Device, Receiver and Radio.
My much cherished Squeezeboxes have had a "stay of execution" with Deezer and IckStream looking a very adequate replacement for Napster. And a better stream quality if I have understood things correctly.
Thanks Pippin - saved my wallet having a bashing...

cheztaz
2015-04-30, 13:28
Thanks Pippin for the early suggestion.
I have taken a look at Deezer and it looks promising. Have set up a free account, got it set up on my NAS LMS and started to have a play.
Was not impressed with the User interface at all.... so after a bit more digging into options came across ickStream.
Installed that and hey presto, a great user interface to front Deezer.
Feel like I am getting somewhere....
BUT (another but) - only getting first 30 seconds of each track when played through ickStream.

Any ideas what might be wrong?

Hi LeatherOsprey,

I have had the same issue with Rhapsody, and have cancelled my subscription due to the changes, can you let me know what you did to get Ickstream please? Is this a service similar to Napster? do you download an app onto your Squeezeboxes? or a plug in from the LMS server plug ins? would appreciate learning more about this service and how you installed it onto your media players. Thanks :-)

garym
2015-04-30, 13:32
Hi LeatherOsprey,

I have had the same issue with Rhapsody, and have cancelled my subscription due to the changes, can you let me know what you did to get Ickstream please? Is this a service similar to Napster? do you download an app onto your Squeezeboxes? or a plug in from the LMS server plug ins? would appreciate learning more about this service and how you installed it onto your media players. Thanks :-)

ickstream is a plugin you install on LMS. MOre info here:
http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Installation

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 13:39
Sure Cheztaz.

Firstly, please know that I run LMS on a QNAP NAS.

You need to get the IckStream plugin (I got it here for Linux - http://repository.ickstream.com/squeezebox/repository-linux.xml). Then configure that to access a Deezer account, which you also need to set up, premium account, £9.99 a month (same as I currently pay for Napster but soon won't be).
The IckStream plug in is a "nice" user interface and front end to sit in front of streaming services that don't have a very good user interface provided by default through the app centre.

This link to IckStream I found useful: http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Installation

Now to cancel Napster and Spotify! Well might keep Spotify for a month (free) just in case I hit any problems with Deezer/IckStream, but so far, so good....

Good luck...

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 13:42
Another question - is there anyway I can elevate IckStream to the Squeezebox Home menu?

garym
2015-04-30, 13:51
Another question - is there anyway I can elevate IckStream to the Squeezebox Home menu?

on the web or on a smart phone or SqueezePlay control. In the latter two examples, I press and hold and move ickstream to my home menu. Not sure about the regular webGUI.

cheztaz
2015-04-30, 13:58
Thanks LeatherOsprey,

i think I have it up and running...subscribed to Deezer for the free 30 day trial, and seems to be playing well, and full tracks...possibly a good replacement for Napster/Rhapsody. Will keep you informed. I have Spotify free for one year, so keeping that for the time being.

A quick query, I now have in LMS:

My Apps/Deezer and My apps/Ickstream and Deezer within this.

When I enter Ickstream/Deezer - it does not show me anything under artists/albums etc - just says no content available...any ideas?

If I go into My apps/Deezer it shows that information

Thanks

LeatherJack
2015-04-30, 14:10
on the web or on a smart phone or SqueezePlay control. In the latter two examples, I press and hold and move ickstream to my home menu. Not sure about the regular webGUI.

Hi - on my Android smartphone Logitech Squeezebox Controller app. Holding does not allow me to move it.

garym
2015-04-30, 14:12
Hi - on my Android smartphone Logitech Squeezebox Controller app. Holding does not allow me to move it.

there are probably other android LMS apps that will work. Not sure as I'm using ipeng on iphone.

garym
2015-04-30, 14:12
Thanks LeatherOsprey,

i think I have it up and running...subscribed to Deezer for the free 30 day trial, and seems to be playing well, and full tracks...possibly a good replacement for Napster/Rhapsody. Will keep you informed. I have Spotify free for one year, so keeping that for the time being.

Can IckStream/Deezer be played through my squeezebox.com or just LMS? :D


requires use of LMS.

dbinfl
2015-04-30, 17:26
Got set up with a Spotify Premium for a month free to try it out....
...But and it is a HUGE but.... with the 3rd party SPOTIFY plugin you can only stream to 1 Squeezebox at a time...

Hmmmm...I didn't have that problem. I set up Spotify Premium with the Triode 3rd-party plugin (thanks Triode!) last night and I am streaming to 2 duet receivers and 1 Boom just fine. I didn't have to tweak anything either; once I got it working it was streaming to all 3 devices straight-away.
~dbinfl~

pippin
2015-04-30, 17:35
But you can't have three different streams at the same time

garym
2015-04-30, 17:38
You can play spotify to as many synched players as you want. What you can't do is play different things to different Players at the same time.

dbinfl
2015-04-30, 17:45
Oh, OK - to clarify I am syncing to 3 players at the same time, rather than a different stream to each. Sorry for misunderstanding.
~dbinfl~

dbinfl
2015-04-30, 17:47
You don't happen to use iPeng, don't you?
Because that has a global search feature at least for tracks in the current playlist...

No I don't. Sounds promising; I'll check it out. Thanks!
~dbinfl~

LeatherJack
2015-05-01, 08:03
24 hours in and find myself loving Deezer... not only for rescuing my use of Squeezebox (thanks Pippin) but also the SmartPhone/Tablet app user interface is better than Napster in my opinion. And I am getting used to the Deezer Squeezebox interface also... so might not need to use IckStream afterall.

Bye bye Napster - it was nice whilst it lasted....

johannes
2015-05-03, 01:53
Sure. The Radio is pretty much a standalone system with just a headphone out but Touch is perfect for HiFi systems. It's essentially an SB3 successor


hi, eveybody out ther. same issue here in cologne. sad news.
whats about an ssl proxy. installed on the inline device like qnap or synology.
this could be obviously an release...
frontend doing the higher encryption level..
backend...talking at the lower legacy encryption level to the sb3 device

any other ideas..
i have 3 Sb3 in my home...
to substitute alle of them would be really pain...even from the design perspective..
huaaaa..
any ideas and workarounds out there
greeting...a bye the way...wimp is working preatty well in germany!

pippin
2015-05-03, 01:56
Would still expose the keys on your server.

justwords
2015-05-03, 12:14
Oh, OK - to clarify I am syncing to 3 players at the same time, rather than a different stream to each. Sorry for misunderstanding.
~dbinfl~

Have you found a service that works the same way? I used wimp that way for some time but now wimp is tidal.

kh6idf
2015-05-03, 14:11
I decided to move to a Sonos Connect in order to keep listening to Rhapsody. There is some difference in the sound (using coax digital output on both players) that I think is due to the way they process the bitstream. The SB3 has a fuller sound with more extended bass. I have not been able to do extensive Rhapsody listening today because Rhapsody is down so I've been listening to Pandora. I did an experiment listening to an uncompressed WAV and it sounded identical on both players. Only when the signal is compressed do I hear a difference, and then the SB3 is better.

remd
2015-05-03, 14:25
I decided to move to a Sonos Connect in order to keep listening to Rhapsody. There is some difference in the sound (using coax digital output on both players) that I think is due to the way they process the bitstream. The SB3 has a fuller sound with more extended bass. I have not been able to do extensive Rhapsody listening today because Rhapsody is down so I've been listening to Pandora. I did an experiment listening to an uncompressed WAV and it sounded identical on both players. Only when the signal is compressed do I hear a difference, and then the SB3 is better.

The newer players like the SBTouch should still be able to play Rhapsody - They are still available on ebay for ex.

Squeezeisfab
2015-05-06, 15:21
Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of question. Will let you know as I learn more.



> Am 25.04.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net>:
>
> Thanks guys. I shot them a mail asking about it. Stay tuned.
>
>
>
>> Am 24.04.2015 um 13:23 schrieb kh6idf <kh6idf.6vv2lz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
>>
>>
>> This morning I attempted to listen to Rhapsody but there is no audio
>> being output from the coaxial digital output. I switched to Pandora and
>> I get audio.
>>
>> Did something change with Rhapsody? Does it still work with the SB3?
>> The display seems to indicate it is playing but there is no digital
>> audio output.
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Hi Michael,

Before I close my rhapsody account have all avenues drawn to a close re working on older boxes? Or are you still investigating a possible solution?

Thanks

MeSue
2015-05-06, 21:04
Hi Michael,

Before I close my rhapsody account have all avenues drawn to a close re working on older boxes? Or are you still investigating a possible solution?

Thanks

Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.

If so, that bites. :(

I was on the unadvertised $5/mo. Rhapsody plan, so switching to Spotify is going to double my cost.

mherger
2015-05-07, 07:07
> Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.

Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation ;-)).

But yes, the last word will be that Rhapsody on old SB devices (ip3k:
Transporter, Receiver, SB3/Classic, Boom) is no longer working.

> If so, that bites. :(

I'm sorry about that.

--

Michael

MeSue
2015-05-07, 07:17
> Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.

Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation ;-)).

But yes, the last word will be that Rhapsody on old SB devices (ip3k:
Transporter, Receiver, SB3/Classic, Boom) is no longer working.

> If so, that bites. :(

I'm sorry about that.

--

Michael

Ah, well… end of an era. Enjoy the rest of your vacation!

Squeezeisfab
2015-05-07, 11:24
> Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.

Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation ;-)).

But yes, the last word will be that Rhapsody on old SB devices (ip3k:
Transporter, Receiver, SB3/Classic, Boom) is no longer working.

> If so, that bites. :(

I'm sorry about that.

--

Michael

Thanks Micheal

Rhapsody is now assigned to history for me unfortunately and nice as the chap was on the phone he kept insisting it was a Logitech issue....!!!

MeSue
2015-05-07, 13:51
Here's how they replied to my goodbye message on their Fb page...

Hi Susan,

We're sorry to hear this! We updated our security protocols to best serve our community and unfortunately Squeezebox devices are incompatible with our new standards.

If you have additional questions regarding this update, please email help@rhapsody.com.

Thanks!

MeSue
2015-05-08, 18:17
Well now I am doubly hosed because I can't get Spotify to take my money. First I tried upgrading my original account to Premium, then I tried creating a new account with a different email. No go. Tried multiple credit cards, but just get this, over and over...


Oops, seems your card or payment provider is having a bad day. Don't worry, no money has been charged. Try again or use another payment method.

:mad:

kh6idf
2015-05-09, 18:48
I returned the Sonos Connect after listening to it for a week. Using the digital out (coaxial or optical) the sound was thin, bass-shy and more 2-dimensional than the Squeezebox. So much so that I found myself not wanting to listen. Today I put the SB3 back in place and Pandora sounds very nice. I will have to continue my search for a streamer that sounds good and supports Rhapsody.

bocaboy
2015-05-10, 11:54
I got the following email from Rhapsody today:

Hi-
Thank you for writing back to Rhapsody support.
There was a server problem from Rhapsody and it is now resolved. Please sign out from Rhapsody, restart device and try to sign in to access music with out any problem.
I have added seven days of free service as a special case towards the inconvenience caused.
If still you are having trouble then reply to this email with the exact error message you are receiving for further assistance.
-Nancy

But when I uninstalled Rhapsody from the SB3, powered off, then rebooted and re-installed Rhapsody (there was no option to 'sign out') there is still no audio (I sent them a return email stating this).

I'm having the same problem. Your e-mail is dated late April, and I'm writing this in the first part of May. How can they allow a problem like this to go on for so long??!!

bocaboy
2015-05-10, 11:57
Here's how they replied to my goodbye message on their Fb page...

I'm flabbergasted at her response. I've been a subscriber to Rhapsody since they were owned by Real. Guess it's time for Spotify for me!

Mnyb
2015-05-10, 12:04
I'm having the same problem. Your e-mail is dated late April, and I'm writing this in the first part of May. How can they allow a problem like this to go on for so long??!!

If you have an SB3 or duet ,classic or boom or tranporter your problem will never be resolved as the necessary aes code will never fit inside the memory/cpu/os/etc limitations .

One may wonder why raphsody wants banking level of security for a frigging music stream ?? its like fencing in a spot of sand i sahara .

You join a service for its features and playlists/channels etc and social functions and to discover new music . If you just want to hear song x on album xyz it can be downloaded i 5 minutes .

philippe_44
2015-05-10, 14:27
I returned the Sonos Connect after listening to it for a week. Using the digital out (coaxial or optical) the sound was thin, bass-shy and more 2-dimensional than the Squeezebox. So much so that I found myself not wanting to listen. Today I put the SB3 back in place and Pandora sounds very nice. I will have to continue my search for a streamer that sounds good and supports Rhapsody.

Sounds like a faulty device or a configuration problem, as if you used PCM 44.1/16 they are just raw. Don't want to defend Sonos against Squeezebox line :) here but as much as one can be not happy with the PLAY:1, 3 or 5 loudspeaker characteristic, the CONNECT when used with optic is just a passhtrough

garym
2015-05-10, 14:32
Sounds like a faulty device or a configuration problem, as if you used PCM 44.1/16 they are just raw. Don't want to defend Sonos against Squeezebox line :) here but as much as one can be not happy with the PLAY:1, 3 or 5 loudspeaker characteristic, the CONNECT when used with optic is just a passhtrough

Agree. And I have a sonos connect attached to my main stereo with analog connection. I bought this to play around with and test, and I have lots of issues with sonos, but bad sound quality, even with built in DAC is not one of them.

pippin
2015-05-10, 17:20
I'm not at all impressed with the sound quality of my Sonos connect (it's not entirely bad, too. It's simply average) but hey, we are talking about Rhapsody here, aren't we? I mean, it doesn't get much worse there days if we talk about sound quality so what you stream it to pretty much doesn't matter, doesn't it?

bocaboy
2015-05-11, 05:35
Here's the response I got from Rhapsody on May 10, 2015. I see that these same compliance issues haven't stopped Pandora (I'm a paid subscriber, so the same issues apply), Spotify, etc. from being able to stream on my Slimbox Classic. Only Rhapsody has a problem. I've been a subscriber since 2004, but I guess it's time to move one.

Hi-

I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on Logitech Squeezebox Duet. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Rhapsody has made a change last week to disable some SSL cyphers as required for PCI compliance. With this change, some devices are no longer function with Rhapsody service. Logitech looked through the source code and found that for these devices, there is no AES implementation, so these device will no longer function with Rhapsody app.
The affected device models are :
- Squeezebox Duet
- Squeezebox 2
- Squeezebox 3
- Squeezebox Classic
- Squeezebox Boom
- Transporter

-Cathy

MeSue
2015-05-11, 07:25
I hope everyone has better luck switching to Spotify than I have had. Can't figure out why it won't work for me. Now I'm rearranging players, and looking to replace my Duet and Booms with Radios and maybe another Touch.

philippe_44
2015-05-11, 13:18
Just purely out of curiosity, anybody knows what happens with that problem when you have squeezeOS used in QEMU

pippin
2015-05-11, 22:14
Which problem? Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.

philippe_44
2015-05-11, 22:58
Which problem? Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.

That what I mean - is there an option to have the Touch/Radio image running in QEMU ?

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:11
Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:16
To be more specific: there are private binaries in the Touch and Radio images which are not part of the public distribution.
The very reason for this is to make sure things like Rhapsody can not be run on 3rd party hardware or software players.

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:19
You all need to get this: RHAPSODY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY ITS SERVICE ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN SQUEEZEBOX HARDWARE (through LMS).
On ip3k hardware it no longer works, that's not intentional but probably unavoidable. But that it doesn't run on anything else is not by accident or because somebody didn't implement something, it's because Rhapsody wants to prohibit that.

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:24
And since I'm at it... one more:
This is not malice by Rhapsody. They have to do this, they are obliged to it by their rights holders.
I've had good discussions with them regarding supporting it in iPeng's player in the past and since that's a controlled environment they would have been OK with it at the time (actually they were pretty eager to get it supported). Unfortunately, then then got another management shakeout and the whole thing slept in, was never able to re-establish that discussion later on, Squeezebox ecosystem obviously isn't really important to them anymore...

philippe_44
2015-05-11, 23:52
You all need to get this: RHAPSODY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY ITS SERVICE ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN SQUEEZEBOX HARDWARE (through LMS).
On ip3k hardware it no longer works, that's not intentional but probably unavoidable. But that it doesn't run on anything else is not by accident or because somebody didn't implement something, it's because Rhapsody wants to prohibit that.

Come-on, no need for shouting: it was just a technical curiosity. I've done various emulation / virtualization for embedded and I was wondering if anybody every tried this one. I saw SqueezeOS on QEMU and I was just wondering, also because these are ARM device and QEMU is good at that.

Nothing more

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:53
Yea, sorry, but you are like the 20th person asking the question, so this wasn't just targeted at you ;) it will come up many more times....

philippe_44
2015-05-11, 23:55
Yea, sorry, but you are like the 20th person asking the question, so this wasn't just targeted at you ;) it will come up many more times....
I understand but I was proposing something a bit different and I would been happy to try to build it - anyway

pippin
2015-05-11, 23:55
And yes, if you can get the original images that come with the server to run in a virtualization environment, then it would probably work. I doubt they run on anything but real hardware, though.
And, btw, this question has been answered a few times before in the developer forum, too....

philippe_44
2015-05-12, 00:00
And yes, if you can get the original images that come with the server to run in a virtualization environment, then it would probably work. I doubt they run on anything but real hardware, though.
And, btw, this question has been answered a few times before in the developer forum, too....

OK I will look deeper

pippin
2015-05-12, 00:06
The main issue will probably be that the audio drivers used by Logitech are likely proprietary ones so if you run the image on anything else I doubt that will work. I'm also not sure, they might call stuff from the private part of the boot image on the device.

philippe_44
2015-05-12, 00:08
The idea of test is to use it only as the decryption machine. Rendering would be done by a proper squeezelite

pippin
2015-05-12, 00:51
I doubt that would work. Where do you capture the audio and how do you re-stream it without adding a lot more latency. You'd also have two players in the loop then.

philippe_44
2015-05-12, 09:15
I doubt that would work. Where do you capture the audio and how do you re-stream it without adding a lot more latency. You'd also have two players in the loop then.

I agree this would be awfully complicated (if ever feasible) but the idea is that the Slimproto would be proxied to the squeezelite player so that all timing info in the STMt-related messages would be the ones of a real player so LMS would have proper knowledge of player timing. Only the audio data would be processed by the virtual machine and then re-proxied. I know this is hacky to say the least and by the time (and I don't have any currently) this would be done, likely most people would have already had abandonned Rhapsody - just bouncing ideas :)

kh6idf
2015-05-13, 19:33
Sounds like a faulty device or a configuration problem, as if you used PCM 44.1/16 they are just raw. Don't want to defend Sonos against Squeezebox line :) here but as much as one can be not happy with the PLAY:1, 3 or 5 loudspeaker characteristic, the CONNECT when used with optic is just a passhtrough

That's what I initially thought, but I don't think it's true. The compressed stream is decompressed to create the 16/44.1 output, and apparently the Squeezebox is better at this decompression than the Sonos is.

kh6idf
2015-05-13, 19:38
I'm not at all impressed with the sound quality of my Sonos connect (it's not entirely bad, too. It's simply average) but hey, we are talking about Rhapsody here, aren't we? I mean, it doesn't get much worse there days if we talk about sound quality so what you stream it to pretty much doesn't matter, doesn't it?

Yes, it does matter. Rhapsody sounds very nice with the Squeezebox digital output feeding my external DAC, but replacing it with the Sonos, using it's digital output, the sound is noticeably inferior, mainly the bass is diminished but also it seems less coherent. The Squeezebox sounds more convincingly real and it makes me want to keep listening.

sfsonarboy
2015-05-16, 08:57
Thanks for everyone's help and all these details. As a long-time Rhapsody/Duet user this is a serious downer but I'm glad for the information.

One question (and apologies if I've missed this in the thread or if inappropriate to ask here): What are (other) options to replace or supplement a Duet for integration to a home stereo? I've heard of Sono$ and SB Touch, wondering if there are other options that would provide experience/features similar to the Duet? Also (probably stupid question) do any of the newer home receivers with built-in streaming features integrate nicely with Logitech Media Server?

Thanks in advance!

Steve

RSJ
2015-05-16, 09:56
I might be wrong about this but in my research there isn't anything that comes close to replacing a Rhapsody/Duet combo other than the SB Touch and SB Radio. This is a serious downer for me because I have a stack of SB Receivers feeding a rack of amps for my whole house audio system and in order to keep the functionality of Rhapsody I would have to invest well over a thousand dollars. That option doesn't make sense because the system works fine except for playback of Rhapsody . So the question is what gives, my audio system or Rhapsody. That's an easy question and the answer is that Rhapsody goes. Which is a real downer because as far as I can tell there is no "on demand" music service that would allow you to listen to different music in different rooms. That's a big deal to me because I like to go into the garage and use my smartphone to put on some different music then what my wife is listening to inside. We have separate Rhapsody accounts assigned to the different players and that gives us great flexibility that I can't find anywhere else. I could set up Spotify but as far as I can tell with that option using the 3rd party plugin you have to listen to the same thing in all the zones, you can't listen to different things in different zones. So I might be wrong and I hope I am but I really hope Rhapsody decides to make Rhapsody compatible with all SB players again because I miss what I had.

BobbyBee
2015-05-16, 15:57
Hi guys,

So any alternative streaming services that I can use my SB Boom (and also my SB Radio) directly from MSB (I don't have LMS)? Sure, my SB Radio continues to work but I'm not keeping the Napster sub just for the single device...

How about Deezer?

Thanks!

txwindsurfer
2015-05-17, 22:02
Like many folks on this thread the loss of Duet receivers with Rhapsody was a problem after 11 years of usage in my home sound system. I ditched Rhapsody and subscribed to Spotify. I have replaced the Duet receivers with Gramofon receivers. Using Allplay on the Gramofon receivers gives me the same functionality I had with Rhapsody and more. If you use the family plan on Spotify you get two accounts with two different streams for about $15/month which is essentially the same as the 1+ with Rhapsody. I'm very happy with Spotify after getting accustomed to the new user interface. Additionally, if I want I can use the old Duet receivers and LMS if you like that setup; but Spotify with Connect together with Allplay to multiplay and group different speaker combinations for simultaneous output is a superior system IMHO. And, the Gramofon receivers are much less expensive than Duet receivers not to mention being available.

philippe_44
2015-05-17, 23:19
I guess this is more a question for Michael:

I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhapsody and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would be authorized to use the service ? I understand there are various right issues, but doesn't hurt asking. There could be a piece of proprietary code and GPL contamination could be avoided by using some dll/so. If this could be authorized, I think a few of us could do the coding work. It is certainly much less goofy than the QEMU thing I discussed before and I personally have now a decent knowledge of squeezelite to help

RSJ
2015-05-17, 23:36
I would really hope that could happen philippe_44 because if I could get Rhapsody playing on my Picoreplayer it would be a beautiful thing. If Rhapsody did that I think it would open them up to a very large market. Imagine the potential of small and affordable players that could stream Rhapsody, I really hope it's possible..

RSJ
2015-05-17, 23:38
Read up on the Gramafon, the reviews were troubling.

mherger
2015-05-17, 23:39
> I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhaspsody
> and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would be
> authorized to use the service ?

No way. As pippin wrote a few days ago: they don't want you to be able
to listen to the streams on any device.

--

Michael

philippe_44
2015-05-18, 00:00
> I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhaspsody
> and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would be
> authorized to use the service ?

No way. As pippin wrote a few days ago: they don't want you to be able
to listen to the streams on any device.

--

Michael

Thanks Michael - Too bad then. I have to admit that this really goes over my head as, ultimately there is always at worse an analogue entry point somewhere. So as pippin mentionned, even w/o a serious hacking experience you can always record. Oh well, I guess this is always the same thing: paying customers are being punished in an attempt to block people that would never pay anyway, and still will hack if they want to

slimfast
2015-05-31, 03:14
What a bummer - Napster was the last big streaming service that I could use on the Squeezebox and now most of my hardware no longer supports it. I've now cancelled it after being subscribed for about 6 years.

I remember when I was discovering new music on my Squeezeboxes with Last.fm, then adding it to my Napster library and buying it off them (back when they also sold mp3) if I liked it. Even after Last.fm went due to license issues, I could at least use internet radio to spot new artists to add to Napster for evaluation ... Now I can't even do that.

Way to go music industry, don't expect me to be buying much new music from you.

As for piracy, I can get almost any music I want via that path if I so choose. Shutting off access to paid services is totally counterproductive.

RSJ
2015-05-31, 16:01
I just wanted to update everyone and send out a thank you to everyone who pointed me in the right direction; my Rhapsody/Duet woes have been solved. Rhapsody is dead and I've moved to Spotify, sorry Rhapsody. I set up a LMS on my Raspberry Pi and used Max2Play as the platform. Set up the 3rd party plugin for Spotify, kudos on that guys! And now I have on demand music throughout my home again, even on my SB Receivers and SB Boom. As far as listening to different things in my home I'm going to set up two servers, one with my wife's Spotify account and one with mine. That way when I go into the garage to work I'll connect that SB receiver to my server and listen to what I want. So in my estimation the Squeezebox hardware has been fully replaced by better and more versatile products., Raspberry Pi, Hifiberry boards, Max2Play and SqueezeCommander. Thank you to everyone who has worked on all these products, long live the Squeezebox! !!!

kh6idf
2015-06-23, 17:44
After starting this thread, I tried a Sonos Connect for use with Rhapsody but was disappointed with the sound quality from the digital outputs (lacking in bass compared to the SB3, just not as engaging to listen to.) I returned the Sonos and am now trying a Denon Heos Link. My immediate impression was it is quite similar sounding to the SB3, using the coaxial digital output. The bass is back, and it has a good 3-d quality to the sound. I have to do more critical listening before I will say it is equal to the SB3, but it was good enough that I didn't immediately return it. There is no display on the unit, but I am using an Android table for a controller which works well. All of the music services and Internet radio I like to listen to are available (mainly Rhapsody, Pandora and Tunein radio).

Has anyone else tried the Heos Link as a Squeezebox replacement? I would be interested in any impressions of the sound through an external DAC.

MrClive
2015-06-24, 05:13
I just wanted to update everyone and send out a thank you to everyone who pointed me in the right direction; my Rhapsody/Duet woes have been solved. Rhapsody is dead and I've moved to Spotify, sorry Rhapsody. I set up a LMS on my Raspberry Pi and used Max2Play as the platform. Set up the 3rd party plugin for Spotify, kudos on that guys! And now I have on demand music throughout my home again, even on my SB Receivers and SB Boom. As far as listening to different things in my home I'm going to set up two servers, one with my wife's Spotify account and one with mine. That way when I go into the garage to work I'll connect that SB receiver to my server and listen to what I want. So in my estimation the Squeezebox hardware has been fully replaced by better and more versatile products., Raspberry Pi, Hifiberry boards, Max2Play and SqueezeCommander. Thank you to everyone who has worked on all these products, long live the Squeezebox! !!!

I've as in exactly the same position and have done exactly the same thing.

Using MAx2play to run Spotify although it does cost a £10 per month compared to £5 (dropped Napster), it runs really well and I'm not getting the buffering that i've had with the SB boom on and off for the last 2-3 years.

I'm looking to see if I can run Kodi on the same PI and stream media through my TV.

Does anyone know if it's possible or if it's better to run Kodi as a stand alone separate PI?

ademathews
2015-06-25, 14:19
I've as in exactly the same position and have done exactly the same thing.

Using MAx2play to run Spotify although it does cost a £10 per month compared to £5 (dropped Napster), it runs really well and I'm not getting the buffering that i've had with the SB boom on and off for the last 2-3 years.

I'm looking to see if I can run Kodi on the same PI and stream media through my TV.

Does anyone know if it's possible or if it's better to run Kodi as a stand alone separate PI?

It certainly is - it works well on the Pi 2 B. If you're planning on using Triode's Spotify plugin, Kodi has a conflicting LMS listening port - you'll need to make two simple changes on LMS: change the Spotify Helper App port to 9010 and the LMS CLI port to 9099 (from the plugin options). Restart the PI and Triode's Spotify plugin works flawlessly. Took me a while to work this out!

Hope this helps.

MrClive
2015-06-25, 14:29
Thanks ade. That's really helpfully, I'm looking to try running both on a single PI that hadn't have worked I'd have bought a 2nd one.


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DrewSB
2015-07-24, 15:14
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
Technically possible: sure. Allowed by Rhapsody: probably not, they have end-to-end encryption in their security concept, they have to assure that. That's the whole reason for all this hassle.
I'm curious how this works with the app on other platforms. On Android or Windows the stream can be captured when output, via Bluetooth, SPDIF, etc. Is the Squeezebox in a contractually different category of devices, or is the digital transport between the LMS and the Squeezebox considered different than a SPDIF transport between a computer and a DAC? Or is there anther difference I haven't thought of? :)

pippin
2015-07-24, 15:17
Bluetooth is degraded audio, SPDIF is something you can do on Squeezebox, too, and Apple does create an unbelievable amount of work to make sure AirPlay is mostly secure.

End of the day this is all nonsense and I have to speculate about what exactly Rhapsody's contracts say since I don't know but I'd assume there's some requirement for end-to-end encryption so you can't just store the full stream as a file plus they might have to get the player devices certified by their rights holders

flo72
2015-07-27, 01:30
After 8 years of using Napster, the fact that old Squeezeboxes like the Receiver (and the Controller some time ago) are no longer supported and new options in the Squeezebox-universe (like my RaspberryPi solutions) were never supported at all, I also decided to cancel my Napster subscription.

In the past month I have tested the Deezer premium and up to now I am very pleased. You get 320 kbps MP3s to any kind of device including Receiver, Controller, Radio, Touch, SqueezePlay on the PC, SqueezeLite on the Pi. The important fact for me is that it plays different streams simultaneously on different players (haven't tried what happens when you start the Deezer App on your mobile at the same time). This works without any problems and no third-party plugin involved.
To my impression the catalog is quite similar to that of Napster (I'm from Germany).

The things I'm missing is the integration in the now playing menu. With the Napster plugin, you could directly go from a internet radio track to the song or the artist in Napster or store the album in the Napster library to listen to more of it later. I really used that a lot, as it makes discovering new music very easy.

I appreciate all the work put in the Napster plugin to keep it available (e.g. after certificate problems) and up-to-date (make the 320 kbps ACC available on radio and touch), but for me personally, the protective approach of Napster made me finally quit this service and look for another.

Thank you for the music...