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ovonrein
2015-02-06, 01:41
Hi, just a quick heads-up that my audio alarm this morning woke me with the friendly announcement (on infinite loop) that "The BBC no longer supports Windows Media format" please see http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/28dfd220-7ca1-3683-ac16-3938cfb4b882. BBC still supports shoutcast, AAC and MP3 so there should not be a problem for Squeezebox. I am not aware, though, that it would be possible to configure one codec over another in the iPlayer plug-in. I am not sure who maintains this plug-in but an update would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Cessquill
2015-02-06, 02:27
Came here to say the same thing. I switched to a BBC stream in the Internet Radio section, but it didn't seem stable - stopped every few minutes. Haven't had time to check whether it was my connection yet though.

Atlantic
2015-02-06, 02:44
post #2 in this thread

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103082-BBC-error-message-about-no-longer-supporting-WMA

suggests trying to re-select the station, in the expectation (hope?) that a shoutcast stream will be selected.

Might be worth posting back, if you try it.

regards, Atlantic.

mphearn
2015-02-06, 02:54
Hi, just a quick heads-up that my audio alarm this morning woke me with the friendly announcement (on infinite loop) that "The BBC no longer supports Windows Media format" please see http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/28dfd220-7ca1-3683-ac16-3938cfb4b882. BBC still supports shoutcast, AAC and MP3 so there should not be a problem for Squeezebox. I am not aware, though, that it would be possible to configure one codec over another in the iPlayer plug-in. I am not sure who maintains this plug-in but an update would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Exactly the same problem here. The BBC explanation is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/28dfd220-7ca1-3683-ac16-3938cfb4b882

I rely upon my Squeezebox radio and Squeezebox Touch for all my radio reception and sincerely hope that a new LMS plugin will be available soon for BBC iPlayer.

mphearn
2015-02-06, 02:59
post #2 in this thread

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103082-BBC-error-message-about-no-longer-supporting-WMA

suggests trying to re-select the station, in the expectation (hope?) that a shoutcast stream will be selected.

Might be worth posting back, if you try it.

regards, Atlantic.

I have tried a factory reset on my SBR followed by reconfig etc. The error message on BBC Radio2 remains. For the time being other BBC radio channels are still working.

bonze
2015-02-06, 04:06
Hi, just a quick heads-up that my audio alarm this morning woke me with the friendly announcement (on infinite loop) that "The BBC no longer supports Windows Media format" please see http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/28dfd220-7ca1-3683-ac16-3938cfb4b882. BBC still supports shoutcast, AAC and MP3 so there should not be a problem for Squeezebox. I am not aware, though, that it would be possible to configure one codec over another in the iPlayer plug-in. I am not sure who maintains this plug-in but an update would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Make sure you have the latest version of the plugin

and read towards the end of the thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only)

majones
2015-02-06, 08:05
I am not aware, though, that it would be possible to configure one codec over another in the iPlayer plug-in. I am not sure who maintains this plug-in but an update would be much appreciated. Thank you.
The BBC stopping WMA has been know about for some time. The BBCiPlayer is extremely well supported by Triode and there's a thread under "3rd Party Software" where people normally go with issues. But to solve your problem, in LMS go to Settings, then the Advanced tab, then the pull down box at top-left to reveal the BBC iPlayer settings, then set the Live Stream Preference to AAC > ...
PS Also make sure you're on v 1.2.14 of the plugin.
PPS I switched to WMA to hear the message and am thinking I rather like it .. I may keep it that way.
PPPS If you're using the applet on a Radio, you'll need to prioritise AAC over WMA - it's in the menu system somewhere.

Cessquill
2015-02-06, 08:56
The BBC stopping WMA has been know about for some time. The BBCiPlayer is extremely well supported by Triode and there's a thread under "3rd Party Software" where people normally go with issues. But to solve your problem, in LMS go to Settings, then the Advanced tab, then the pull down box at top-left to reveal the BBC iPlayer settings, then set the Live Stream Preference to AAC > ...
PS Also make sure you're on v 1.2.14 of the plugin.

Hi - sorry to hijack, but I'm running 1.2.14 and I don't have the dropdown option you mention. Under live stream preference all I have is
AAC > FlashAAC > FlashMP3 > WMA
AAC > FlashAAC > WMA
AAC > FlashAAC
AAC > WMA
FlashAAC > WMA
WMA

I didn't know about the 3rd party support area, since I rarely have any issues with LMS or SB, but I'll go and check.

majones
2015-02-06, 10:56
Hi - sorry to hijack, but I'm running 1.2.14 and I don't have the dropdown option you mention. Under live stream preference all I have is
AAC > FlashAAC > FlashMP3 > WMA
AAC > FlashAAC > WMA
AAC > FlashAAC
AAC > WMA
FlashAAC > WMA
WMA
Sorry, when I wrote AAC > ... I should have written AAC > FlashAAC > FlashMP3 > WMA.

ovonrein
2015-02-06, 10:58
in LMS go to Settings, then the Advanced tab, then the pull down box at top-left to reveal the BBC iPlayer settings, then set the Live Stream Preference to AAC > ...I can confirm that I am on v 1.2.14 of the plugin; that I can navigate to the settings you mention and that those are set to "AAC..."

I can also confirm that SqueezePlay indeed manages to play BBC Radio but that none of our Squeezebox Classic, Squeezebox Touch or Squeezebox Radio will play it. I have looked through the menu of my Squeezebox Radio and cannot find any pertinent entries. Neither on the other devices. Please advise. Thank you.

EDIT: A full power cycle of server and clients has got the Classics to stream the BBC again. Radio and Touch still play WMA.

EDIT: Just realized that there is a BBC App for Radio and Touch. Never used it before. Do I need it? (I'd rather not.) Anyway, installed it and I can indeed find at the bottom of the stations list a selection for the stream preference which is set out-of-the-box to WMA. Changing it to AAC unfortunately only means that the Radio now hangs "Connecting..." :( Any suggestions? Thanks.

EDIT: Goofy! I realized that I can drive these clients from the browser on the server and the browser shows me the streaming URL that goes in. Half the problem is that these URLs all look like this:

iplayer://live?ms=http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/bbc_radio_one&aac=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1_aaclca.pls&wma=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx&icon=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/imda/logos/radio1_logomobile1-1.png&radiovis=fm/ce1/c201/09880

That is, they give a preference for AAC but will settle for WMA (which is now pointless because the BBC no longer provides that service). The other half of the problem appears to be some connection issue. May be the AAC stream sometimes takes too long to respond? Either way - if unlucky, I end up with a WMA stream. Weird thing is, I seem to be more unlucky when driving the client directly than when driving the client via the server. May be old habits (of the clients) die hard. Some DNS thing perhaps? I guess that the ultimate solution would be to drop the "&wma=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx" from the URL.

Anyway, seems like there is nothing fundamentally wrong with my setup. May just need to work itself out.

EDIT: One way of making absolutely certain that WMA will not interfere (until an iPlayer plugin update strips those extraneous WMA stream) is to select the stream and save it to Favourites (it does not matter whether you happen to have got AAC or WMA). Then go into your web panel, navigate to Favourites and EDIT the stream you just saved. Delete the "&wma=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/???.asx" bit. When you now select your BBC station via Favourites it is assured to work. Hold down the Preset button on your Radio (if having) to make sure that button forgets about WMA. Tiresome may be, but effective.

cathcam
2015-02-07, 19:33
I'd planned to upgrade my server and for the last week have been reorganizing and re-tag most of my music library. Prior to that, I shutdown LMS 7.7.2 and removed the installation and all the config, cache etc. I'm running LMS on a NetGear ReadyNas NVX with 4x 2TB drives

I installed the latest 7.9 nightly build, when through the set-up, deactivated all the plugins I don't use, and added Triodes BBC plugin and a few I do use.

I restarted the LMS, and I have much better BBC than ever than I did under 7.7.2. The BBC London stream is working, as is BBC R2, R4, and 6 Music. Best of all I'm now able to play iPlayer radio recordings. This definitely never worked before.

I get a 128kbs AAC stream and have squeezeplay, touch, boom, radio all synced up and working.

I'm currently streaming this
URL: iplayer://aod?ms=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/mediaset/pc/vpid/p02gzbrm&dur=10800&icon=&title=Robert%20Elms%3A%20Alexander%20Stewart%20and %20Mark%20Hemmings&desc=Live%20music%20from%20Alexander%20Stewart%20a nd%20this%20week%E2%80%99s%20%E2%80%9CFourfer%E2%8 0%9D%20is%20Bob%20Marley.

majones
2015-02-08, 02:21
added errlands BBC plugin and a few I do use.
It's Triode's plugin - credit where credit is due! Glad it's working well for you. Certainly I'm a huge fan.

cathcam
2015-02-08, 20:57
It's Triode's plugin - credit where credit is due! Glad it's working well for you. Certainly I'm a huge fan.
Corrected, thanks.

nitram
2015-02-16, 16:29
The BBC acknowledges that it has cut streaming service before it has a new standard in place:

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051w4dm>

I'm using BBC iPlayer v1.2.14, with the streaming options (like on-demand options) set to: AAC > FlashAAC > FlashMP3 > WMA, but I'm still getting the BBC's looping announcement. I've tried saving the BBC3 stream as a favorite and editing it to remove the WMA component of the link, as an earlier post suggested, but this breaks the stream.

castalla
2015-02-16, 16:53
The BBC acknowledges that it has cut streaming service before it has a new standard in place:

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051w4dm>

I'm using BBC iPlayer v1.2.14, with the streaming options (like on-demand options) set to: AAC > FlashAAC > FlashMP3 > WMA, but I'm still getting the BBC's looping announcement. I've tried saving the BBC3 stream as a favorite and editing it to remove the WMA component of the link, as an earlier post suggested, but this breaks the stream.

Wakey - wakey!!!!

Look for the new thread!

nitram
2015-02-17, 15:41
Yes, I've been reading it. I presumed that people reading there would read here. Like you!

bullgod
2015-02-28, 03:57
Wakey - wakey!!!!

Look for the new thread!

This is unhelpful. Which new thread, for there are several, none of which give a definitive answer, and you give no link.

Is anyone prepared to make a knowledgeable definitive statement?

Tiode's plugin (v1.2.14) appears to no longer works for live feeds.

All "solutions" posted here appear to have no effect. Can anyone contradict this?
Is there expected to be a new version of the iPlayer plugin that does support live feeds?
This plugin does play retrospectively, at least for now. Is this plugin expected to work for "Listen Again" for the foreseeable future (i.e until BBC change their feeds)?

The Logitech BBC App does work for live streaming, but has no retrospective functionality. The same applies to "RadioFeeds UK & Ireland".

So are we left with Logitech BBC App (or other) for live streams and Triode's iPlayer Plugin for timeshifting?

castalla
2015-02-28, 04:00
This is unhelpful. Which new thread, for there are several, none of which give a definitive answer, and you give no link.

Is anyone prepared to make a knowledgeable definitive statement?

Tiode's plugin (v1.2.14) appears to no longer works for live feeds.

All "solutions" posted here appear to have no effect. Can anyone contradict this?
Is there expected to be a new version of the iPlayer plugin that does support live feeds?
This plugin does play retrospectively, at least for now. Is this plugin expected to work for "Listen Again" for the foreseeable future (i.e until BBC change their feeds)?

The Logitech BBC App does work for live streaming, but has no retrospective functionality. The same applies to "RadioFeeds UK & Ireland".

So are we left with Logitech BBC App (or other) for live streams and Triode's iPlayer Plugin for timeshifting?
Look here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103158-Announce-PlayHLS-Plugin-plugin-to-play-Apple-HLS-m3u8-stream

bullgod
2015-02-28, 19:31
Look here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103158-Announce-PlayHLS-Plugin-plugin-to-play-Apple-HLS-m3u8-stream

Ok here's the tl;dr for those coming to the party late.

The exec summary: All is well, replacement feeds exist but you need a helper plugin.

Step 1: Update Player plugin's menu with new feeds. Details here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29&p=807276&viewfull=1#post807276

Step 2: These new feeds are in Apple HLS form, so you need to install the PlayHLS plugin
Details in the link quoted above.

Step 3: PlayHLS requires ffmpeg. This is on most unix systems already, but if you have a Debian based system (eg Ubuntu) ffmpeg is unlikely to be present as it was replaced by avconv.
There are two solutions that I've used successfully, your preference as to which of the following you use.
a) install a ffmpeg binary from here http://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/ to somewhere on your path like /usr/local/bin
Note the extension on these archives is incorrect as they are straight tar files not compressed-tars.
b) install avconv from the libav-tools package, and create a symbolic link called ffmpeg to avconv.
Note this package is incorrectly referred to as libavconv-tool in some posts.

As ever YMMV, but hopefully the above will reassure and save time you some time.