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Craig, James (IT)
2004-12-07, 03:37
Kevin,
If you have an iPod I assume you're using iTunes to manage your MP3s in
SlimServer?
If so you should automatically have a playlist for your entire library
called "Library" which you can use for this.
It will be updated each time SlimServer rescans the iTunes library.

Of course it takes some time to load and shuffle if it's large...


James

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Murphy
Sent: 06 December 2004 21:43
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] "Play Everything"

Hello all,

Apologies if this has already been covered as nauseum, but I looked
through the last several months of the mailing list and saw nothing
relevant.

One of the primary use-cases for my iPod is to set it on shuffle, select

"Browse Music", hit Play, and it will work its way through my entire
collection one song at a time, shufling appropriately.

I'd love to be able to duplicate this behavior on my SliMP3, but I've
been unable to find an appropriate menu option anywhere, and the
directory structure of my music library seems to prohibit me from being
able to simply hit "Play" when browsing the Music Folder (at least to
the end of getting this functionality).

Any thoughts on what I might be able to do here? As a short-term
solution I created a playlist that contains my entire library, but
without dynamic playlists this will be stagnant when I add new things to

my library (a somewhat regular activity for me).

Thanks!

--Kevin Murphy
SliMP3 #003

Kevin Murphy
2004-12-07, 11:36
Craig,

This would be ideal, and I have run my SliMP3 using this configuration
for a brief period. However, both my Windows machine and my Mac are
very loud, so I don't have them running all the time. And it's
something of a pain in the butt to start up the Mac just to play some
music; it kinda takes away the spontaneity of the idea.

So, I went out and got myself a nice little Shuttle box (SN41G2V2) and
did everything I could to quiet it, the result being that I now have a
very quiet, very small, always on Fedora Core 3 box which holds all of
my music, along with other media items to be displayed via the S-Video
port into my entertainment system.

Once I dealt with the faad/lame oddities, I got SlimServer working quite
nicely for my purposes. However, I unfortunately lack the nice features
provided by the iTunes integration.

--Kevin

Craig, James (IT) wrote:
> Kevin,
> If you have an iPod I assume you're using iTunes to manage your MP3s in
> SlimServer?
> If so you should automatically have a playlist for your entire library
> called "Library" which you can use for this.
> It will be updated each time SlimServer rescans the iTunes library.
>
> Of course it takes some time to load and shuffle if it's large...

kdf
2004-12-07, 11:59
Quoting Kevin Murphy <skoro (AT) skoroworld (DOT) com>:


> Once I dealt with the faad/lame oddities, I got SlimServer working quite
> nicely for my purposes. However, I unfortunately lack the nice features
> provided by the iTunes integration.

if you set up a samba share for your music library, you can link iTunes from a
windows machine to the samba share. Then, setup your iTunes library file to be
written to another samba share on the Fedora machine. I think you'd have to
tweak windows to move "My Documents" to a shared drive on Linux (use tweakUI).
Itunes doesn't seem to obey its own setting for the location of the library
file. Then, using the slimserver settings page for iTunes, you can select
'find itunes manually' and type in the locations of the music library and the
itunes xml file. This will then allow you to load iTunes integration for
Linux. The only thing you lack at this point is the ability to use the
iTunes-related plugins (updater, and party-shuffle).

-kdf

Jack Coates
2004-12-07, 12:01
Kevin Murphy wrote:
> Craig,
>
> This would be ideal, and I have run my SliMP3 using this configuration
> for a brief period. However, both my Windows machine and my Mac are
> very loud, so I don't have them running all the time. And it's
> something of a pain in the butt to start up the Mac just to play some
> music; it kinda takes away the spontaneity of the idea.
>
> So, I went out and got myself a nice little Shuttle box (SN41G2V2) and
> did everything I could to quiet it, the result being that I now have a
> very quiet, very small, always on Fedora Core 3 box which holds all of
> my music, along with other media items to be displayed via the S-Video
> port into my entertainment system.
>
> Once I dealt with the faad/lame oddities, I got SlimServer working quite
> nicely for my purposes. However, I unfortunately lack the nice features
> provided by the iTunes integration.
>
> --Kevin

I understand that you can use a script to copy some XML files from
iTunes to your Linux box on a regular basis and still get iTunes
integration. Check the archives for more, I personally can't stand
iTunes and am just reporting what I've seen go by.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Kevin Murphy
2004-12-07, 13:54
kdf wrote:
> if you set up a samba share for your music library, you can link iTunes from a
> windows machine to the samba share. Then, setup your iTunes library file to be
> written to another samba share on the Fedora machine. I think you'd have to
> tweak windows to move "My Documents" to a shared drive on Linux (use tweakUI).

Not a bad idea, except that I use the Mac as my primary iTunes library.
I make all my purchases and have hymn setup there, in fact I have a
drive dedicated purely to media files on the Mac. Trouble is,
iTunes/Mac *hates* accessing its library via Samba (when you can get
Samba working properly on the Mac in the first place) and duplicating my
library and playlists on the Windows machine would be a pain in the butt.

Not to mention that my entire rationale for doing this in the first
place was to be able to have a nice, small, quiet Linux box to use as a
media server. The Windows box is beefy, and noisy. :(

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your thoughts and ideas, and certainly
the fact that you took the time to give me a nice long explanation. I
think my answer will arrive along with the database backend support for
SlimServer.

Thanks!

--Kevin

kdf
2004-12-07, 15:14
Quoting Kevin Murphy <skoro (AT) skoroworld (DOT) com>:

> kdf wrote:
> > if you set up a samba share for your music library, you can link iTunes
> from a
> > windows machine to the samba share. Then, setup your iTunes library file
> to be
> > written to another samba share on the Fedora machine. I think you'd have
> to
> > tweak windows to move "My Documents" to a shared drive on Linux (use
> tweakUI).
>
> Not a bad idea, except that I use the Mac as my primary iTunes library.
> I make all my purchases and have hymn setup there, in fact I have a
> drive dedicated purely to media files on the Mac. Trouble is,
> iTunes/Mac *hates* accessing its library via Samba (when you can get
> Samba working properly on the Mac in the first place) and duplicating my
> library and playlists on the Windows machine would be a pain in the butt.
>
> Not to mention that my entire rationale for doing this in the first
> place was to be able to have a nice, small, quiet Linux box to use as a
> media server. The Windows box is beefy, and noisy. :(
>
> Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your thoughts and ideas, and certainly
> the fact that you took the time to give me a nice long explanation. I
> think my answer will arrive along with the database backend support for
> SlimServer.

ah, well, its slower, but you can always set up a cron job to copy the xml file
once a day, perhaps. This way you still get any new playlists that you create
in iTunes. The server simply loads up the xml data, so it doesn't matter where
that xml data resides. I've personally not had too much trouble with accessing
a samba share from my iBook. Although, I do have to reconnect every time I
come back from sleep mode. There is probably a way that you can access the Mac
from the linux server. in that case, you might be able to direct the server to
the Mac and the xml file via a UNC path. I'm not sure if the code will tackle
it, but it could be worth a try.

-kdf

Jack Coates
2004-12-07, 15:49
kdf wrote:
> Quoting Kevin Murphy <skoro (AT) skoroworld (DOT) com>:
>
>
>>kdf wrote:
>>
>>>if you set up a samba share for your music library, you can link iTunes
>>
>>from a
>>
>>>windows machine to the samba share. Then, setup your iTunes library file
>>
>>to be
>>
>>>written to another samba share on the Fedora machine. I think you'd have
>>
>>to
>>
>>>tweak windows to move "My Documents" to a shared drive on Linux (use
>>
>>tweakUI).
>>
>>Not a bad idea, except that I use the Mac as my primary iTunes library.
>> I make all my purchases and have hymn setup there, in fact I have a
>>drive dedicated purely to media files on the Mac. Trouble is,
>>iTunes/Mac *hates* accessing its library via Samba (when you can get
>>Samba working properly on the Mac in the first place) and duplicating my
>>library and playlists on the Windows machine would be a pain in the butt.
>>
>>Not to mention that my entire rationale for doing this in the first
>>place was to be able to have a nice, small, quiet Linux box to use as a
>>media server. The Windows box is beefy, and noisy. :(
>>
>>Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your thoughts and ideas, and certainly
>>the fact that you took the time to give me a nice long explanation. I
>>think my answer will arrive along with the database backend support for
>>SlimServer.
>
>
> ah, well, its slower, but you can always set up a cron job to copy the xml file
> once a day, perhaps. This way you still get any new playlists that you create
> in iTunes. The server simply loads up the xml data, so it doesn't matter where
> that xml data resides. I've personally not had too much trouble with accessing
> a samba share from my iBook. Although, I do have to reconnect every time I
> come back from sleep mode. There is probably a way that you can access the Mac
> from the linux server. in that case, you might be able to direct the server to
> the Mac and the xml file via a UNC path. I'm not sure if the code will tackle
> it, but it could be worth a try.
>
> -kdf


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Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

kdf
2004-12-07, 23:04
Quoting Jack Coates <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org>:


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> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031022164821984

Many thanks! tho, now it seems to have revealed my first problem with samba.
the ibook doesn't seem to see the server until a fair time after startup, so
the connect fails. Maybe its because the samba machine is a domain controller.
its ok, I'm used to connecting on demand now.

cheers,
kdf

Jesse David Hollington
2004-12-08, 23:15
FYI, you can use the updater in "indirect mode" in this configuration,
and it still works very well... You just have to run a Perl process
on the Windows iTunes PC to update the info that James' plug-in has
SlimServer write out.

I've been running it very successfully for quite some time now...
About the only limitation is that you can't save playlists into
iTunes.

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:59:49 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> This will then allow you to load iTunes integration for
> Linux. The only thing you lack at this point is the ability to use the
> iTunes-related plugins (updater, and party-shuffle).