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Jim W. Howard
2004-12-07, 01:21
Has anyone besides me thought of how cool it would be to run SlimServer on
your TiVo box? My TiVo is a linux box with a boat load of storage built
in, and it would seem to have capacity to spare to run as a Slim server.
The advantage here would be that I don't have to dedicate a PC or server
to running Slim, just let the Tivo sit there in my entertainment center
streaming songs to my Squeezebox...

I don't know of a working Perl for Tivo, so this is probably a deal
killer, but the idea came to me tonight and I thought I'd put it out there
in case anyone has thought of it, or already done it...

-Jim

Jason Snell
2004-12-07, 08:36
>Has anyone besides me thought of how cool it would be to run SlimServer on
>your TiVo box?

It's been mentioned. My impression of the TiVo hardware is that it's
so underpowered that it wouldn't really work. The TiVo's strengths
are in its video processors; the main processor it uses is not so
hotso.

I agree, it would be cool.
--
Jason Snell / Editorial Director, Mac Publishing / jsnell (AT) macworld (DOT) com
415-243-3565 / AIM: MW jsnell / www.macworld.com / www.playlistmag.com

Geoff Bonallack
2004-12-07, 08:49
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:36:42 -0800, Jason Snell <> wrote:
> >Has anyone besides me thought of how cool it would be to run SlimServer on
> >your TiVo box?
>
> It's been mentioned. My impression of the TiVo hardware is that it's
> so underpowered that it wouldn't really work. The TiVo's strengths
> are in its video processors; the main processor it uses is not so
> hotso.
>
> I agree, it would be cool.

I've heard the same thing about TiVo hardware. A much better option
might be to use a Windows Media Center Edition computer, and get rid
of the TiVo (and the monthly fee!). That way you can spec the
hardware to match exactly what you want to support Slimserver (within
Microsoft's spec at least).

Or, if you are up for more of a challenge, you could build one of the
Linux freevo variants.

Cheers
Geoff

Jules Taplin
2004-12-07, 08:56
Hmmm. Definately a little underpowered. Series 1 Tivo reports the following:

bash-2.02# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : IBM 403GCX
clock : 54MHz
revision : 20.1
bogomips : 53.86
machine : Teleworld Customer Device

It's also not exactly brimming with memory - looks like 128Mb of memory
top (although my /proc/meminfo doesn't look to make much sense)

Just to bring that in perspective, by the way... that makes my TiVo
roughly 100 times slower than my current slimserver *grin*.

Possibly more interesting would be the ability to use TiVo as a
slimserver-compatible player, but for my money... you get a better
result by sitting a Squeezebox on top of it *grin*.


-- Jules



Jason Snell wrote:

>> Has anyone besides me thought of how cool it would be to run
>> SlimServer on
>> your TiVo box?
>
>
> It's been mentioned. My impression of the TiVo hardware is that it's
> so underpowered that it wouldn't really work. The TiVo's strengths are
> in its video processors; the main processor it uses is not so hotso.
>
> I agree, it would be cool.

dean
2004-12-07, 09:17
On Dec 7, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Jules Taplin wrote:

> Hmmm. Definately a little underpowered. Series 1 Tivo reports the
> following:
>
> bash-2.02# cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor : 0
> cpu : IBM 403GCX
> clock : 54MHz
> revision : 20.1
> bogomips : 53.86
> machine : Teleworld Customer Device
> It's also not exactly brimming with memory - looks like 128Mb of
> memory top (although my /proc/meminfo doesn't look to make much sense)
>
> Just to bring that in perspective, by the way... that makes my TiVo
> roughly 100 times slower than my current slimserver *grin*.
And half as fast as a Squeezebox! (Of course, the MIPS in question are
not really comparable... :)

> Possibly more interesting would be the ability to use TiVo as a
> slimserver-compatible player, but for my money... you get a better
> result by sitting a Squeezebox on top of it *grin*.
I couldn't agree more. :)

Anthony James
2004-12-07, 10:37
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:17:38 -0800, dean blackketter
<dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Hmmm. Definately a little underpowered. Series 1 Tivo reports the
> > clock : 54MHz

What's really amazing is how well a Series 1 Tivo works - it's the
best advert for 'consumer' hardware against a generic PC i've seen.
My S1 Tivo is more reliable playing video than my 3Ghz P4 with a
Digital TV card and will reliably record one stream whilst playing
back another. Playback and recording are uninterupted - it never
decides that some other process is more important and give up on
playback for a while. and all at a fraction of the price of a media
centre pc.

AJ

Kevin Murphy
2004-12-07, 11:40
Anthony James wrote:
> What's really amazing is how well a Series 1 Tivo works - it's the
> best advert for 'consumer' hardware against a generic PC i've seen.
> My S1 Tivo is more reliable playing video than my 3Ghz P4 with a
> Digital TV card and will reliably record one stream whilst playing
> back another. Playback and recording are uninterupted - it never
> decides that some other process is more important and give up on
> playback for a while. and all at a fraction of the price of a media
> centre pc.

And all running on Linux!
</flamebait>

--Kevin

Jules Taplin
2004-12-07, 17:28
Hehe.

I've got to broadly concur with that... As a piece of consumer
electronics, it's unsurpassed. Sadly... but the time you've hacked it to
buggery, it's not always that great. Mine certainly can't keep up with
watching a programme, while recording another, and streaming the data
off to be transcoded :(

It is also _BREATHTAKINGLY_ slow for it's backend processes. The work it
does to sort out the programme guide when they've been downloaded does
literally take hours to happen.

But hey... still beats a Video Recorder any day of the week ;)

-- Jules

Kevin Murphy wrote:

> Anthony James wrote:
>
>> What's really amazing is how well a Series 1 Tivo works - it's the
>> best advert for 'consumer' hardware against a generic PC i've seen.
>> My S1 Tivo is more reliable playing video than my 3Ghz P4 with a
>> Digital TV card and will reliably record one stream whilst playing
>> back another. Playback and recording are uninterupted - it never
>> decides that some other process is more important and give up on
>> playback for a while. and all at a fraction of the price of a media
>> centre pc.
>
>
> And all running on Linux!
> </flamebait>
>
> --Kevin
>

neil.coburn@blueyonder.co.uk
2004-12-08, 05:32
If running Slim Server on a TiVo is a non-runner, is hacking a TiVo to run
SoftSqueeze a possibility? (Maybe this is a question for the Tivo
Community Forum)

rtitmuss
2004-12-09, 13:30
Neil,

I think a TiVo will also be to under powered to run Softsqueeze,
unfortunately decoding mp3's in Java needs a reasonable size cpu.

Regards,
Richard


neil.coburn (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk wrote:

>If running Slim Server on a TiVo is a non-runner, is hacking a TiVo to run
>SoftSqueeze a possibility? (Maybe this is a question for the Tivo
>Community Forum)
>
>