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Adjunkten
2014-11-23, 05:46
Hi,

In my office (8-10 m2) I use squeezeplay and Logitech pc-speakers - but the sound is horrible.

What is the best way to add a room to your server these days?

If I could buy another Boom, I would do that - I can't use UE-products, right? What about DLNA?


Thanks for your advice!

Best, Lars

mherger
2014-11-23, 06:14
> If I could buy another Boom, I would do that - I can't use UE-products,
> right?

You can convert a UE Smart Radio into a SB Radio. There's a menu option
to do this on the Radio.

--

Michael

Mnyb
2014-11-23, 06:18
Hi,

In my office (8-10 m2) I use squeezeplay and Logitech pc-speakers - but the sound is horrible.

What is the best way to add a room to your server these days?

If I could buy another Boom, I would do that - I can't use UE-products, right? What about DLNA?


Thanks for your advice!

Best, Lars

One idea is to buy better active speaker to the pc .

They dont have to be "pc speakers" small active nearfield monitor will do fine like for example ADAM A3x that I uses with my PC . And also use the small vedges for desktop placement adam sells to thier speakers (to tilt it upwars a bit . In such close quartars i also adjusted the treble down a bit .
I'm quite happy with that as a PC setup .

If you dont want to have the pc running just some active speakers and one of the RasPi based players or similar RasPi picoreplayer and hiffiberry dac seems popular on the forum , but there are more solutions .

pippin
2014-11-23, 07:24
Any spare iThingies or Android devices? With external speakers they make for pretty good players and one tends to have a few old ones around these days.
The old IPeng can still be installed on devices with iOS 4.1.2 and newer and I believe SqueezePlayer on Android still supports some 2.x versions of Android.

d6jg
2014-11-23, 08:10
At a remote office I run Squeezeplay with a pair of ION Deskrocker USB Active Speakers. Sound is fine.
ION don't manufacture them anymore but they are now made by Alesis.
+1 for old iThingy as well.

Edit. Alesis M1 320

Grumpy Bob
2014-11-23, 08:17
How about a Raspberry Pi running piCorePlayer with a HiFiBerry Amp (http://www.hifiberry.com/amp/)?
This would be a standalone device...never tried the HiFiBerry amplifier, but their DAC is very good.

I have a Pi running piCorePlayer with a small USB Headphone DAC/amp which is a pretty good option.

Robert

garym
2014-11-23, 09:54
Better pc speakers is a good idea. I use something like the Adams metioned, also with the wedges. Also, make sure you don't have bit rate limiting set for the squeezeplay player. Look in Lms - settings - player - audio.

GeeJay
2014-11-23, 10:22
Any spare iThingies or Android devices? With external speakers they make for pretty good players and one tends to have a few old ones around these days.
The old IPeng can still be installed on devices with iOS 4.1.2 and newer and I believe SqueezePlayer on Android still supports some 2.x versions of Android.

pippin, I tried this the other day. Unfortunately, it didn't sync well with my other players. I didn't try making manual timing adjustments, but it was off by quite a bit.

Perfect sync may not be a requirement for the earlier poster, but if it is I'm wondering if this is a good solution.

garym
2014-11-23, 10:27
pippin, I tried this the other day. Unfortunately, it didn't sync well with my other players. I didn't try making manual timing adjustments, but it was off by quite a bit.

Perfect sync may not be a requirement for the earlier poster, but if it is I'm wondering if this is a good solution.

What version of lms are you running? I can get perfect synch (same room) with ipeng on iPhone 4s and lms 7.8. I've not done any manual adjustments.

pippin
2014-11-23, 11:49
pippin, I tried this the other day. Unfortunately, it didn't sync well with my other players. I didn't try making manual timing adjustments, but it was off by quite a bit.

Perfect sync may not be a requirement for the earlier poster, but if it is I'm wondering if this is a good solution.

Which device and iOS/Android version was this?
I know some Android devices (I think it depends more on the device than he Android version) have sync issues but iPeng on iOS should sync as well as a Squeezebox, at least from iOS 5 on.

Adjunkten
2014-11-23, 14:21
Thanks for all your advice, it's appreciated.

Pippins idea with 'spare thingies' made me think of my kids dumped first laptops, so maybe I could use one of those instead of buying a Pi - as a 24-7 player.

It is a small Packard Bell Kav60 running Windows XP. How do I set it up, so that it wakes/sleeps on wifi, like my Boom?

Garym, I stream FLAC, so it can't be a bitrate issue - but I might look for some new pc-speakers.

Thanks,

Lars

Mnyb
2014-11-23, 14:38
With an old laptop you have several possibilities to consider.

Keep XP or install some linux OS on it .

The players to use are SqueezePlay or Squeezelite .

Is the internal soundcard good enough or should some USB DAC be used , but this migth not be an issue unless you get really good speakers and the internal sound is really bad .

You may have to investigate how to set up the PC for best sound , is there a SqueezePlay version with asio or wasapi support ?
But don't get to bogged down in esoteric discussions regarding this .

WOL over wifi is a very rare functionality that must have hardware support , it's safe to assume that most laptops does not have that . And the WOL function in LMS works the other way around the players can wake the server .
You have to set it up to avoid the deepest sleep modes that disables the wifi interface , but on the other hand kick in a blank screen as fast possible and hard drive spin down migth save you enough power .

garym
2014-11-23, 14:47
Garym, I stream FLAC, so it can't be a bitrate issue - but I might look for some new pc-speakers.


Yes, but even if you are streaming FLAC files, if you've accidentally set your "bitrate limit" setting in the player > audio settings and have it set to something like LAME mp3 -v9, then LMS is automatically downconverting your FLAC files to very low bitrate mp3 files. Worth double checking the setting (to make sure bitrate limiting is "unticked")

d6jg
2014-11-23, 16:41
If you are going laptop then try to find one where you can remove the battery but still run it off mains. Some have mains input into the battery direct some into the laptop outside of the battery.
WOL is unlikely to work even on an Ethernet connection as above as Laptops hardware spec doesn't forsee a need for it.
If you have XP installed first try Squeezeplay into either a USB DAC or active speakers with a USB interface. Forget the onboard sound card - it will be rubbish.

pippin
2014-11-23, 17:07
Of you want to play the computer in sync with other devices consider using Linux, it won't really work with Windows.

BenH73
2014-11-23, 18:52
I was recently looking at options as a friend was thinking about Sonos and I was trying to see if there was a nice squeezebox alternative that might save him some money.

In the end the Sonos worked out to be the best option for him, but the best I could come up with was:

Aktimate Micro powered speakers (http://www.aktimate.com.au/micro.html) and a Raspberry Pi with PiCorePlayer and a usb wifi dongle. The Aktimates have a built in DAC (PCM2704 I believe so nothing special but better than Raspberry Pi analog out), so usb cable from the speaker to the Pi and should be able to power the Pi from the built in iPod dock (30 pin) with an adapter. So a one power point solution, even if it would be a bit of a pain to move around compared to Sonos. As PiCorePlayer runs in memory you don't have to worry about clean shutdowns.

There is also the Akitmate Mini+ which are bigger and more expensive and have no cheap built in DAC, so if using with a Raspberry Pi you would need a DAC. They apparently sound much better but they would be much heavier to move.

Of course an old iDevice or Android could be used in place of the Raspberry Pi if you already had one.

Ben

RonM
2014-11-24, 06:57
I use a Radio in my office, and think that a UE Radio back-converted would be a good solution. I don't pine for stereo, and the sound is much better than on my old stereo speakers. If you can find a UE radio. There are some on Amazon, starting at $180 used (also some original Squeezebox radios). Also quite a few on eBay.

R.

GeeJay
2014-11-24, 19:37
Which device and iOS/Android version was this?
I know some Android devices (I think it depends more on the device than he Android version) have sync issues but iPeng on iOS should sync as well as a Squeezebox, at least from iOS 5 on.

iPhone 6, iOS8 and LMS 7.8.1.

I'll try again when I have some time in the coming days. Maybe it was just a one-time thing. I only tried once, about a week ago.

pippin
2014-11-24, 19:50
And don't try manual adjustments to the timing, iPeng does that automatically

Adjunkten
2014-11-28, 03:35
ICYMI

I'm using my IPad2 and Squeezepad. I use a shelf in my bookcase as "docking station", so that the IPad charges as I use it as a Squeezeplayer. I can easily unplug it and occasionally use it for websurfing. My pc-speakers sound has significantly improved, so maybe the soundcard in the IPad is better?
I have no bitrate limit to my FLAC-stream :-)

Thanks again for your advice.

philippe_44
2014-12-03, 02:24
I've developed a plugin that let you utilise a upnp/dlna player as if it is a normal LMS device. You can find it on github, LMS to uPNP. Hope it can be useful