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remd
2014-10-29, 02:07
Tidal a service provided by Aspiro (WiMP) has launched in the UK and the US today and many more countries should follow.
The service is already available on the Squeezebox for ickStream beta users, and we will open it to all Squeezebox users soon.

Tidal:
http://www.tidalhifi.com
In the News:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tidal-high-fidelity-music-streaming-service-launches-today-280633162.html

We will post an update on here soon, so stay tuned !


The ickStream Team

dafiend
2014-10-29, 02:44
Audiophool nonsense in the videos from Tidal, sigh.

amey01
2014-10-29, 03:05
Great, great news! :)

cca651
2014-10-29, 08:36
This is indeed great news - I signed up for the trial yesterday and the sound quality is very good (worth the price for me). Can't wait to be able to stream via my Squeezebox devices!

placebo
2014-10-29, 12:44
Does anyone know if 'all Squeezebox users' includes us Duet dinosaurs?

remd
2014-10-29, 13:15
Does anyone know if 'all Squeezebox users' includes us Duet dinosaurs?

Yes it will also include ip3k players - Boom, sb3, Duet etc..

Mnyb
2014-10-29, 13:25
Yes it will also include ip3k players - Boom, sb3, Duet etc..

Good timing to lauch your own service btw , but OT is there any overview how this integration of LMS/squeezebox system with ickstream works in practice ? really hands on . I've seen you blogs but they are not so specific . Is there instruction on the way on how to proceed with this ?

remd
2014-10-29, 14:22
Good timing to lauch your own service btw , but OT is there any overview how this integration of LMS/squeezebox system with ickstream works in practice ? really hands on . I've seen you blogs but they are not so specific . Is there instruction on the way on how to proceed with this ?

Thanks - Regarding how to use ickStream on the Squeezebox, it's a pretty simple process. We'll provide the instructions when we release the service.

Corelli45
2014-10-29, 14:39
Hi remd,

I run a Vortexbox as server and player and would like to try this service. I would like to take advantage of the 30 day Tidal trial but I'm concerned that your service will not be available
in time for the Sept 4 deadline. Is it likely that The service will be available before Tuesday?

remd
2014-10-29, 15:14
Hi remd,

I run a Vortexbox as server and player and would like to try this service. I would like to take advantage of the 30 day Tidal trial but I'm concerned that your service will not be available
in time for the Sept 4 deadline. Is it likely that The service will be available before Tuesday?

Currently only ickStream beta testers under NDA have access to Tidal, you'll have to wait a bit before it is available to all Squeezebox users.
Tidal seems to offer a 7 day trial, that may be a bit short for ickStream to be available. If you just started a 30 day trial, you should be fine..

Corelli45
2014-10-29, 15:16
Thank you. I'll start the 30 day trial after the weekend. Looking forward to what you have to offer.

Man in a van
2014-10-29, 15:18
Hi remd,

I run a Vortexbox as server and player and would like to try this service. I would like to take advantage of the 30 day Tidal trial but I'm concerned that your service will not be available
in time for the Sept 4 deadline. Is it likely that The service will be available before Tuesday?


:confused: have the crystals started to break up, Scotty? ;) :)

Corelli45
2014-10-29, 15:28
Back to your van, man.

pippin
2014-10-29, 15:46
:confused: have the crystals started to break up, Scotty? ;) :)

What remco wants to say is: if you already started a 7-day trial it will be tough.
If you start a 30 day trial by Monday or Tuesday you'll probably be able to use most of that already with ickStream on your Squeezebox.

Corelli45
2014-10-29, 15:54
Thanks Pippin. That's the answer I was looking for.

mintaudio
2014-10-29, 16:05
Good timing to lauch your own service btw , but OT is there any overview how this integration of LMS/squeezebox system with ickstream works in practice ? really hands on . I've seen you blogs but they are not so specific . Is there instruction on the way on how to proceed with this ?

ickstream is a bit of an enigma.. I'm not entirely sure if this is deliberate or just overly obscure marketing. I've even had contact from one of the team at one point asking if we'd be interested in developing with ickstream and to be honest - I still have little idea what it does!
One assumes it works with streaming media, but solely? and with which providers? It is just a platform or a complete product?

pippin
2014-10-29, 16:54
ickstream is a bit of an enigma.. I'm not entirely sure if this is deliberate or just overly obscure marketing. I've even had contact from one of the team at one point asking if we'd be interested in developing with ickstream and to be honest - I still have little idea what it does!
One assumes it works with streaming media, but solely? and with which providers? It is just a platform or a complete product?

It's probably because it's been a looong time since we had that contact and we have had our share of realignments, too.

Now... first of all: what is "a complete product"? If by that you mean hardware, then no, it's a platform.

What ickStream does now is essentially two things:

1. It's a backend system to integrate streaming media services under one single API. A bit like MySqueezebox.com but content aware and designed for scaleability. This is what we will use in the public beta to allow Squeezebox users to support TIDAL (and a number of other services not yet available for the SBs or poorly supported on SBs. And a few that are supported quite well on SBs but which we also want to test). For the SBs in this case it will work through a plugin for LMS.

2. It's a client-side platform allowing hardware vendors to build streaming hardware. In this respect it's a bit different from the Squeezebox system in that it has less reliance of a central server. The plugin in 1. will support this functionality, too (essentially exporting a Squeezebox as an ickStream player). And if you use this functionality, you can support both local and online sources.

The libraries for 2. are open source under a BSD-type license and can already now be found on our GitHub page.

We started primarily with 2. but actually these days 1. has become more important, this has caused a bit of a delay and probably confusion.

As for Squeezebox support... our closed beta currently also has clients for our own player model (2.) for Squeezebox Touch and Radio so that these Squeezeboxes could then use the services ickStream provides even without LMS running but for the launch of the public beta we don't regard that as stable enough to launch it into the wild.

Furry
2014-11-01, 04:23
For Tidal subscriptions: $19.99 = £19.99 (i.e. not £12.50); apparently, Tidal believe $1 = £1.

Subscription for UK actually $32.

I'm sure there must be a perfectly reasonable explanation.

Warren
2014-11-01, 06:23
Easy way round this is to use a VPN and sign up via the US site = £12 per month.

Also I have noticed that when you sign up for Tidal they offer a 7 day free trial. If you replace 7 in the URL with 30 you are then offered a 30 day trial!

Furry
2014-11-01, 08:55
Also I have noticed that when you sign up for Tidal they offer a 7 day free trial. If you replace 7 in the URL with 30 you are then offered a 30 day trial!

Tried this, but all it does is create an account without a subscription.

atrocity
2014-11-03, 08:45
This is indeed great news - I signed up for the trial yesterday and the sound quality is very good (worth the price for me). Can't wait to be able to stream via my Squeezebox devices!

I signed up for a 30 day trial yesterday myself. I don't know if they were just having problems or if the system is fundamentally flawed, but in my testing I found that they take lack of gapless playback to an extreme I've never heard before. If that's really how it's going to be, there's no way I'm paying.

local.bin
2014-11-04, 08:38
For Tidal subscriptions: $19.99 = £19.99 (i.e. not £12.50); apparently, Tidal believe $1 = £1.

Subscription for UK actually $32.

I'm sure there must be a perfectly reasonable explanation.

There is: Greed :)

crystalgipsy
2014-11-07, 07:52
I tried the 7 day trial and honestly could really not tell the difference between their 320 aac stream and the hifi flac one using very good quality headphones. Same goes for me when I compare my own 320kp files to the cd original on my system I hear no difference and I have a pretty good system. Waste of money if you ask me placebo effect. Saying that I am up to try it again once its available through my squeezebox as I can then compare like for like more accurately.

Corelli45
2014-11-08, 09:29
Its interesting. I find the difference between Spotify and Qobuz very obvious. I played some tracks this afternoon and a friend, who is not massively into hifi, heard the differences immediately. He found the Qobuz sound generally more open with greater ambient detail. He said Spotify sounded more closed in compared to the cd quality stream. These have been my observations also. I'm surprised that Tidal hifi quality doesn't sound different.

mdconnelly
2014-11-08, 10:32
Actually, I agree.... To my ears, Tidal does sound better than Spotify when set on the HiFi setting (lossless). Is that lossless vs Spotify's 320 mp3 streaming? I don't know. I have compared hires mp3 to lossless before and didn't hear as much difference as I do between Spotify and Tidal. I was kind of hoping that wouldn't be true because I like Spotify. FWIW, I am listening with very good headphones and DAC (Senn HD600s and a iFi Micro iDSD DAC/amp). If I was listening with earbuds out of my iphone jack, I doubt I'd hear any difference.

Be that as it may, so far I'm quite impressed with Tidal. Of course, I'm still in the trial period and haven't yet decided to subscribe at $20/month. Jury is still out but it is compelling. I am hoping that we get a peak at ickStream before the Tidal trial runs out. Without being able to stream Tidal through my Squeezeboxen, it has far less appeal.

erland
2014-11-08, 10:36
I am hoping that we get a peak at ickStream before the Tidal trial runs out. Without being able to stream Tidal through my Squeezeboxen, it has far less appeal.

Make sure you have registered your interest as beta tester on our web site http://www.ickstream.com if you are interested to try it.

Corelli45
2014-11-08, 12:16
Actually, I agree.... To my ears, Tidal does sound better than Spotify when set on the HiFi setting (lossless). Is that lossless vs Spotify's 320 mp3 streaming? I don't know. I have compared hires mp3 to lossless before and didn't hear as much difference as I do between Spotify and Tidal. I was kind of hoping that wouldn't be true because I like Spotify. FWIW, I am listening with very good headphones and DAC (Senn HD600s and a iFi Micro iDSD DAC/amp). If I was listening with earbuds out of my iphone jack, I doubt I'd hear any difference.

Be that as it may, so far I'm quite impressed with Tidal. Of course, I'm still in the trial period and haven't yet decided to subscribe at $20/month. Jury is still out but it is compelling. I am hoping that we get a peak at ickStream before the Tidal trial runs out. Without being able to stream Tidal through my Squeezeboxen, it has far less appeal.

My father in law listens to the two services through a Devialet800/Martin Logan combination. The difference is even more obvious through his equipment. He's made many comparisons and chooses Qobuz just about every time. He still loves Spotify for its range and reliability.

garym
2014-11-08, 13:14
My father in law listens to the two services through a Devialet800/Martin Logan combination. The difference is even more obvious through his equipment. He's made many comparisons and chooses Qobuz just about every time. He still loves Spotify for its range and reliability.

Many have pointed out there may be some odd "compression" or something with spotify tracks, so this identified difference is very plausible (where in other circumstances it should be rare to be able to ABX a high bitrate lossy file from a lossless file, particularly when one can be sure of the provenance of both files, preferably a lossy file created from the lossless file).

pippin
2014-11-08, 13:46
Qobuz also has mastering with less dynamics compression. I still have to test TIDAL about this.

Corelli45
2014-11-08, 22:41
I was interested in testing Tidal but I'm now unsure as to whether the classical and jazz selection is as good as Qobuz.

CommanderROR
2014-11-09, 05:55
Wimp HiFi/Tifal should have at least the same number of tracks in that section. I listen exclusively to classical/film music and have found the section to be pretty much equal on all platforms. Qobuz used to be pretty bad when it came to searching though, can't say whether that has changed for the better.
What I'm not sure about is the sound quality. While the differences between Wimp HiFi and Spotify were not audible for me, Qobuz did sound quite a bit better on some of my test tracks, giving the music some of it's aroma back, making brass sound more brassy and stuff like that. Subtle, but noticeable.

@ickstream

Will you have an "official" Qobuz Plugin as well? Michael made one that runs on LMS and it's OK, but there is always room for improvement... ;)

EDIT: I just did a brief search on Qobuz.com and found that their music catalogue is still extremely lacking. Also their search results are still weird. I wonder why they can't fix that???

pippin
2014-11-09, 07:22
Yes, we will include Qobuz, too, with the ickStream open beta.

crystalgipsy
2014-11-09, 08:47
For the record I was trying Tidals 320kps aac stream to their own Hifi one and not to other services and could not tell the difference at all which may be a good or a bad thing depending on your point of view. Paying £20 per month I expect a major difference from compressed to lossless.

I have compared it with Spotify and there is a difference not massive though. I do find that Spotify always sounds different to everything else. I prefer to use Google Play these days as its recommendations and random playlists are so much better. Also I think it sounds better than spotify, cant compare to tidal now as sub has expired. I just think for most listening Google suffices and is a good price considering it can house 20000 of my own songs as well. Tidal is just too much to pay for not enough difference.

I also test my own compressed files to the originals and lossless encodes and cant really discern a difference. May be years of going to loud gigs and age have taken there toll on my hearing.

pippin
2014-11-09, 09:02
TIDAL has non-FLAC streams???? I mean: WiMP has, but I thought TIDAL is FLAC only?

Corelli45
2014-11-09, 09:20
For the record I was trying Tidals 320kps aac stream to their own Hifi one and not to other services and could not tell the difference at all which may be a good or a bad thing depending on your point of view. Paying £20 per month I expect a major difference from compressed to lossless.

I have compared it with Spotify and there is a difference not massive though. I do find that Spotify always sounds different to everything else. I prefer to use Google Play these days as its recommendations and random playlists are so much better. Also I think it sounds better than spotify, cant compare to tidal now as sub has expired. I just think for most listening Google suffices and is a good price considering it can house 20000 of my own songs as well. Tidal is just too much to pay for not enough difference.

I also test my own compressed files to the originals and lossless encodes and cant really discern a difference. May be years of going to loud gigs and age have taken there toll on my hearing.

I must check Tidal out if this is the case.

mdconnelly
2014-11-09, 09:32
TIDAL has non-FLAC streams???? I mean: WiMP has, but I thought TIDAL is FLAC only?

My understanding is that while everything in Tidal is available as lossless (they call it HiFi), their content can be streamed as lossy as well which is actually useful when streaming over a poor connection. I have had cases where the Tidal lossless would drop out occasionally.

mdconnelly
2014-11-09, 09:33
Make sure you have registered your interest as beta tester on our web site http://www.ickstream.com if you are interested to try it.

Yep, have been for quite some time. Haven't heard anything.

CommanderROR
2014-11-09, 11:39
Wimp AAC should be pretty good quality already. Sadly it's not on Squeezebox, here you get 256kbit mp3 which really is an audible difference.

My main issue with Wimp Hifi is that I pay double, but many tracks get streamed as 256kbit mp3. That's not acceptable. They claim to have a full FLAC library, but sadly this is not true. If I do a random playlist (via SmartMix) I get between 30 and 50% tracks as mp3 instead of FLAC. I listen to classical music, and here the difference is especially painful. I'm still hoping Wimp/Tidal AAC streams will come to LMS eventually.

Peiter
2014-11-09, 23:46
TIDAL has non-FLAC streams???? I mean: WiMP has, but I thought TIDAL is FLAC only?

I'm almost certain that TIDAL and WiMP share the same music files as streaming source.

pippin
2014-11-10, 03:24
I have to admit that since you mentioned it I've seen an MP3 stream with TIDAL on at least one occasion, too. It just surprised me since I thought that they advertise to have everything in FLAC.

CommanderROR
2014-11-10, 04:33
They advertise that their entire catalogue is FLAC, but their CS is aware of the large gaps. The stupid thing is, they are not fixing it. I reported a couple of Albums that are only mp3 at the beginning of this year, and they're still mp3...

Peiter
2014-11-10, 04:51
I'm considering writing an email to WiMP and ask them to get the catalog fully updated in FLAC and ask them to give me a date for when the catalog is updated. If WiMP can not meet the date they need to know they may be using false marketing. Is it too much to ask?

dschamis
2014-11-10, 06:06
Anyone have an ETA of TIDAL for Squeezebox Touch?

pippin
2014-11-10, 08:20
Do you mean through the LMS plugin or the applet solution without the server?
The former will come soonish...

dschamis
2014-11-10, 08:36
Do you mean through the LMS plugin or the applet solution without the server?
The former will come soonish...

Either - is there an LMS plug-in now?

CommanderROR
2014-11-10, 08:42
@Pippin

all this suspense around the launch of the ickstream beta is...interesting. I hope there won't be a big wave of dissappointment when it actually does hit.

About Wimp/Tidal: I really hope here is a chance to test AAC streams on LMS again. Since FLAC isn't there for all tracks and the fallback is 256k mp3 (which is not worth 20€ a month) this would be a great step forward.
Since nobody knows exactly where the problem lies, it would prabably be tough to fix though. Is it a problem with LMS or is it the Players that are having trouble? Would it work with Squeezelite, but not with "real" Logitech hardware?

My idea would be to offer it as a third choice. So far we can choose "mp3" and "FLAC or mp3". Adding a third path for AAC should be possible, mark it as "beta" or "experimental" and see if it works. Then you can attempt to find out why it does (or doesn't) work in certain circumstances. I guess you'd have to clarify with Wimp whether that would be possible.

pippin
2014-11-10, 09:46
@Pippin

all this suspense around the launch of the ickstream beta is...interesting. I hope there won't be a big wave of dissappointment when it actually does hit.

We have to coordinate a little bit.
And we want to roll it out in a few steps to monitor the load and make sure it works.



About Wimp/Tidal: I really hope here is a chance to test AAC streams on LMS again.

IIRC these are AAC files that can't be simply streamed but need to be (at least partially) downloaded instead to be playable.
It won't work with Squeezeboxes who only take a simple http stream.

pippin
2014-11-10, 09:47
Either - is there an LMS plug-in now?

Well, in our closed beta, yes, open beta coming soon.

dschamis
2014-11-10, 09:57
Well, in our closed beta, yes, open beta coming soon.

Ah - got it - standing by - needless to say happy to help in any way I can - thanks!

erland
2014-11-10, 13:58
all this suspense around the launch of the ickstream beta is...interesting. I hope there won't be a big wave of dissappointment when it actually does hit.

Just don't get too high expectations.
While we are excited to be able to show that streaming services can be integrated with Squeezebox without mysqueezebox.com, it's also important to notice that the ickStream open beta will only contain a small part of the complete feature set of ickStream Music Platform.

CommanderROR
2014-11-10, 13:59
@pippin
Thanks for clarifying. It's a pity about the Wimp AAC. Especially since they don't even provide 320kbit mp3...
Oh well, maybe Deezer elite will come to SB/LMS eventually... 😉

CommanderROR
2014-11-10, 14:57
Just a small item:
Of someone is currently testing Qobuz vs Wimp/Tidal, could you please test the following track:

Album: The Ultimate Star Trek
Track 2: First Contact - End...

Listen to the first couple of notes on both services and let me know what you hear.

I did the comparison a couple of months ago, and that track sounded noticeably different to me...

callesoroe
2014-11-11, 06:52
Just a small item:
Of someone is currently testing Qobuz vs Wimp/Tidal, could you please test the following track:

Album: The Ultimate Star Trek
Track 2: First Contact - End...

Listen to the first couple of notes on both services and let me know what you hear.

I did the comparison a couple of months ago, and that track sounded noticeably different to me...

It must be the same version of the album, or you can not do a comparison.

CommanderROR
2014-11-11, 07:20
It is the same Album. That's the point... :)

callesoroe
2014-11-11, 09:51
It is the same Album. That's the point... :)

How do you really know that ...... ???

garym
2014-11-11, 09:53
How do you really know that ...... ???

correct. Different masterings (CDs released at different times....a 1990s version vs a new and improved (or not) version. I have lots of CDs that are the exact same album but different masterings (Fleetwood Mac, then play on, comes to mind. by the way, an example of the new mastering being WAY BETTER than the original CD version.

pippin
2014-11-11, 10:08
But wasn't the point to compare the quality of the services. That would include masterings. Little sense in just comparing lossless vs. lossy, in the end it's the audio quality you get for the money that counts. If it's better, it's better, independent on what causes it.

Also: don't forget that you might be more flexible in your mastering if you don't have to take potential compression artifacts into account. Although these usually affect lower bit rates much more.

garym
2014-11-11, 11:00
But wasn't the point to compare the quality of the services. That would include masterings. Little sense in just comparing lossless vs. lossy, in the end it's the audio quality you get for the money that counts. If it's better, it's better, independent on what causes it.

Also: don't forget that you might be more flexible in your mastering if you don't have to take potential compression artifacts into account. Although these usually affect lower bit rates much more.

I generally agree with your point. But a comparison of a specific album across the two services doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of the two services because the comparison *may* be confounded by the ignored variable of underlying album version. So the test would really be more about which service carries the *version* of the album you like best rather than which service is streaming a better quality track (i.e, without added compression, etc.). It may be that testing the former is just fine. I'm just pointing out that your test is the "joint test" of both underlying mastering/version and streaming.

CommanderROR
2014-11-12, 01:16
Actually, what I really wanted was for somebody to verify the audible difference with this particular track. This is not about the service as a whole. Professional magazines already did that and found that both have their better and worse sounding tracks with Qobuz having a slight advantage.
This question was more out of personal curiosity... ;)

callesoroe
2014-11-13, 04:40
Actually, what I really wanted was for somebody to verify the audible difference with this particular track. This is not about the service as a whole. Professional magazines already did that and found that both have their better and worse sounding tracks with Qobuz having a slight advantage.
This question was more out of personal curiosity... ;)

But it really do not tell anything. If you put two different versions of the same CD in a CD player. They sound different too. Even vinyl does.

CommanderROR
2014-11-14, 01:27
Not true.
If I take two CDs with the same name, cover, production year, tracks and everything and put them in the same player, then I expect them to sound the same. If they don't, I'll buy the one that sounds better to my ears.

I don't really care why one service sounds better, as long as it does.

mdconnelly
2014-11-14, 06:51
OK, I'm 2 weeks+ into my Tidal 30 day trial. Will we see a public beta of ickStream soon? If not, I'll probably just cancel my Tidal subscription until I get a chance to check it out in my Squeezebox setup.

remd
2014-11-14, 11:27
OK, I'm 2 weeks+ into my Tidal 30 day trial. Will we see a public beta of ickStream soon? If not, I'll probably just cancel my Tidal subscription until I get a chance to check it out in my Squeezebox setup.

It is available now:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Pre-announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-!

More details and installation instructions at:
http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox

callesoroe
2014-11-15, 09:26
Not true.
If I take two CDs with the same name, cover, production year, tracks and everything and put them in the same player, then I expect them to sound the same. If they don't, I'll buy the one that sounds better to my ears.

I don't really care why one service sounds better, as long as it does.
One album can sound better on Qbuz and antoher can sound better on wimp, depending on the material they received from The Record Companies. So comparing is only possible, if you test with same raw material.

Mnyb
2014-11-15, 10:02
One album can sound better on Qbuz and antoher can sound better on wimp, depending on the material they received from The Record Companies. So comparing is only possible, if you test with same raw material.

That was the point really , they apparently do not have the same raw material or process it differently ,now why is that ? or rather do any service really know or or actually actively partake in the process of aquaring material and what is the post process if any ?

Or do they just provide an upload service for the labels and leave it at that ?

And then what anything else done ?

For the usual music service it's not to bad leave it to the labels and artist to present their material as they see fit, it's their call .

But if you call anything a "Hifi service" you committed yourself to some higher standards the lossles vs lossy format thing is a marketting ruse . The real deal would be if they actually acquired the best possible master or version of a given work or had several version to user to chose from . Unaltered by any post compression or volume change .

For example if you sell a "hifi service" you must be well aware of the loudness war and that many labels do mincemeat of their old classics to "modernise" them and simply ask for the old CD master or anything else done prior to this craze .
That would be part of the "curating process" .

The streaming services are not exactly giving us the details on how its really done . which is a shame more quality controll and more transparency I would actually buy into such a service :)

cymbop
2014-11-16, 13:37
I was able to get subscribed to Tidal and install the Ickstream plugin within an hour or so. Minor hiccup when the Ickstream platform itself seemed to go down for a while, and I had to futz with the FLAC playback settings within the LMS Advanced tab to get all tracks to play. But with patience came triumph.

In terms of interface convenience, it's on par with Spotify via SBT. The search function is clunkier and tends to cast a wide net for hits and return much more than you are looking for, but no big deal. Tidal via SBT does have access to curated playlists that Spotify via SBT does not. Plus for me.

I did not do a direct comparison with Spotify for sound quality, but after an hour of listening it felt surely better, more three dimensional. Upper frequencies seemed accentuated slightly.

I did an A/B/A between Tidal and a couple of familiar FLAC tracks ripped to my local hard drive and accessed via Touch. Unfortunately, the hard-drive rips won by a small but definite margin with better detail retrieval and overall a more pure and clean presentation. So I am slightly disappointed that at this moment the lossless streaming available to me does not equal the best fidelity I've had at home, but I will go forward with Tidal for sure.

jimmypowder
2014-11-23, 07:56
I was able to get subscribed to Tidal and install the Ickstream plugin within an hour or so. Minor hiccup when the Ickstream platform itself seemed to go down for a while, and I had to futz with the FLAC playback settings within the LMS Advanced tab to get all tracks to play. But with patience came triumph.

In terms of interface convenience, it's on par with Spotify via SBT. The search function is clunkier and tends to cast a wide net for hits and return much more than you are looking for, but no big deal. Tidal via SBT does have access to curated playlists that Spotify via SBT does not. Plus for me.

I did not do a direct comparison with Spotify for sound quality, but after an hour of listening it felt surely better, more three dimensional. Upper frequencies seemed accentuated slightly.

I did an A/B/A between Tidal and a couple of familiar FLAC tracks ripped to my local hard drive and accessed via Touch. Unfortunately, the hard-drive rips won by a small but definite margin with better detail retrieval and overall a more pure and clean presentation. So I am slightly disappointed that at this moment the lossless streaming available to me does not equal the best fidelity I've had at home, but I will go forward with Tidal for sure.

I would agree that Tidal's audio quality is not quite as good as a ripped cd on your computer .

But it sounds significantly better then Spotify . I have to tell you I wonder if Spotify isn't cheating premium users with a fair amount of stuff that's not encoded at 320 . It seems to me that recently their audio quality has suffered .

CommanderROR
2014-11-27, 08:35
There is a test up at http://www.hifisoundtesten.de/

It's AAC 320kbit vs FLAC and quite interesting, despite the fact that I did not like any of the samples... ;)

I ran the test twice, once with heaphones, then again with my NuPros. Surprisingly I got 3 out of 5 on both runs, and the same 3 out of 5. I got Nr. 1 and 5 wrong both times. If you can spare a moment, try it and share your results!

What this shows is, that I can actually hear the difference, and could even reproduce the results. Also interesting, that I preferred the "lossy" version on Track 1, while in Track 5 I just wasn't sure what I liked better.

jimmypowder
2014-11-27, 10:08
There is a test up at http://www.hifisoundtesten.de/

It's AAC 320kbit vs FLAC and quite interesting, despite the fact that I did not like any of the samples... ;)

I ran the test twice, once with heaphones, then again with my NuPros. Surprisingly I got 3 out of 5 on both runs, and the same 3 out of 5. I got Nr. 1 and 5 wrong both times. If you can spare a moment, try it and share your results!

What this shows is, that I can actually hear the difference, and could even reproduce the results. Also interesting, that I preferred the "lossy" version on Track 1, while in Track 5 I just wasn't sure what I liked better.

Got em all right but there were a couple I probably guessed at. The Eagles one was easy.You know its not a reliable test when you have a 50-50 shot at getting it right.

jimmypowder
2014-11-27, 10:14
By the way,using Tidal for music discovery is bad.

Also,I downloaded several albums in HIFI and I have no doubt that a couple of them were not lossless.

Im wondering if some of their music library is not in lossless format. Anyone know if its all supposed in be
in lossless?

CommanderROR
2014-11-27, 10:20
It's supposed to be, but quite a few titles are still mp3/aac sadly.

jimmypowder
2014-11-27, 10:44
It's supposed to be, but quite a few titles are still mp3/aac sadly.

Well then it's hardly worth 20 bucks a month to me .

jimmypowder
2014-11-27, 10:46
Well then it's hardly worth 20 bucks a month to me .
I have to say there were a couple of albums that sounded better on Spotify .

I have Spotify's family plan of three accounts for 19.99 , now that's a deal

mherger
2014-11-28, 04:51
> It's supposed to be, but quite a few titles are still mp3/aac sadly.

Just saw this posting by Tidal/WiMP's Pål Bråtelund:

"... The ironic thing is that we had to ingest everything again for
TIDAL that we already had in the WiMP service to get territory rights
for US correct. What could have been an afternoon's worth of database
work turned out to be two months of chewing the same files again. That's
why you see effects like this, Steven. But every day, tens of thousands
of files are coming alive on TIDAL."

Might explain why some of you are missing pieces.

--

Michael

CommanderROR
2014-11-28, 06:00
Theoretically yes. But Wimp is also pretty bad on QC, I reported various Albums that were mp3 back in January, and they still are mp3...they claim their whole catalogue is FLAC, but that's sadly far from the truth.

I do believe them on the Tidal Database thingy though. Regional restrictions on music/video/games/books are just pan silly in this day and age, but it will be with for a long time to come...

pippin
2014-11-28, 10:12
I have to say there were a couple of albums that sounded better on Spotify .


Well, that's a common misunderstanding WRT lossless vs. lossy, right?
I mean: lossless tracks are not supposed to sound _better_, they are supposed to be closer to the original recordings.
To the contrary, lossy codecs have been developed by using methodology picking the encodings that sounded best to test listeners (at least mp3, but I believe for ogg and AAC they also ran listening tests). So having a lossy album/track sound better isn't really unexpected. It's just not as close to the original in that case...

CommanderROR
2014-11-28, 14:18
@pippin

That is actually very true. The first recording in the Wimp HiFi test sounded better to my ears in the lossy version, because it was less "noisy". I would have taken that noise as compression artefacts, but it was most likely part of the original recording.

Furry
2014-11-28, 15:10
Regarding FLAC streams on Tidal being being reported as mp3: I've just now selected a playlist, and its reported as FLAC.

Earlier, I updated the ickstream plugin; did this fix the FLAC/mp3 reporting?

Edit: just remembered there's a an ickstream forum. Checked there; the answer is 'yes'.

meltsheep
2014-11-29, 00:37
Regarding FLAC streams on Tidal being being reported as mp3: I've just now selected a playlist, and its reported as FLAC.

Earlier, I updated the ickstream plugin; did this fix the FLAC/mp3 reporting?

Edit: just remembered there's a an ickstream forum. Checked there; the answer is 'yes'.

I've got icktream working for TIDAL and Qobuz. Albums were streaming as mp3 but I seem to be getting mainy FLAC now! Very confusing. But if Qobuz cease trading it's good to have other options.

pippin
2014-11-29, 00:58
I've got icktream working for TIDAL and Qobuz. Albums were streaming as mp3 but I seem to be getting mainy FLAC now! Very confusing.

See the post above yours: The streams were wrongly reported as mp3 in an older version of the ickStream plugin, they were actually primarily FLAC all the time.

CommanderROR
2014-12-01, 09:22
Just a brief question about Wimp HiFi Plugin...
Wimp Support told me that they have added a Radio mode for Wimp. I did not see that in the Plugin. Can it be added or isn't it part of the API?

erland
2014-12-01, 10:43
Just a brief question about Wimp HiFi Plugin...
Wimp Support told me that they have added a Radio mode for Wimp. I did not see that in the Plugin. Can it be added or isn't it part of the API?

We will put it on the list, if my interpretation is correct it's part of the API so it should just be a matter of implementing it.
It exists in the API both for WiMP and TIDAL so when we implement it we should be able to support it in both services.

Thanks for the feedback.

CommanderROR
2014-12-01, 13:28
Thank you! The missing Radio mode was my main complaint with Wimp, apart from the incomplete FLAC selection and the "can't skip inside tracks" bug.
So, maybe there is hope for Wimp after all...they should pay you... ;)

Edit: Erland, I'd like to send a donation your way, but can't find a way to do so. I don't use any of your Plugins apart from the ickstream ones, so I can' t use the "buy licence" option...

dschamis
2014-12-06, 07:58
Got TIDAL working on my SBT via ickstream - was pretty easy and works well - does anyone know if a native version is coming any time soon?

CommanderROR
2014-12-06, 08:24
What do you mean with "native"?

dschamis
2014-12-08, 10:28
What do you mean with "native"?

I mean an app on SBT without having to go through ickstream. Maybe that wasn't ever being worked on - I thought someone said it was.

remd
2014-12-19, 05:14
Tidal is now available in Canada (https://www.facebook.com/TidalHiFi/photos/a.1516277531956825.1073741828.1469901979927714/1517387021845876/?type=1).

ickStream (http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox) has also expanded support for Tidal to Canada, so Squeezebox users can now listen to Tidal in the US, UK and Canada.

remd
2015-01-23, 14:11
Tidal is now available in Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Finland and Ireland.

ickStream (http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox) has also expanded support for Tidal to these countries, so enjoy HighDefinition streaming on your Squeezebox if you are in one of the supported countries!

charlesr
2015-01-24, 07:01
Any chance of having a ickstream as an App that is installable via mysqueezebox? I use a Joggler to control my music, but I can't use it to control Tidal because it doesn't appear on the menu.
Works great from the PC interface though - I compared the quality of a 320 stream from Spotify premium to the Tidal version on the same album and the difference is WORLDS apart. Sooooo much better.

pippin
2015-01-24, 09:19
Any chance of having a ickstream as an App that is installable via mysqueezebox? I use a Joggler to control my music, but I can't use it to control Tidal because it doesn't appear on the menu.


It should work if you connect the Joggler to the same server. The ickStream plugin then should show up under "My Apps".

It's unlikely TIDAL is coming to MySqueezebox.com. The "Apps" on MySB are not "installable", they essentially run on MySB and Logitech probably won't add any new services there since the Squeezebox is a long discontinued product.

charlesr
2015-01-25, 07:29
Cheers. I just needed to restart the Joggler's squeezeplay interface for it to notice :)

nervoteso
2015-02-12, 08:00
hi i'm interested in using tidal on squeezebox what should i do? is there a plugin?

even if the tidal site says this about italy:
Currently access in your country is limited to HiFi Partner voucher holders only. If you have a voucher, please sign-up here:

how could i have a voucher?

pippin
2015-02-12, 08:40
hi i'm interested in using tidal on squeezebox what should i do? is there a plugin?

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-!


even if the tidal site says this about italy:
Currently access in your country is limited to HiFi Partner voucher holders only. If you have a voucher, please sign-up here:

how could i have a voucher?

We are working on it.

nervoteso
2015-02-12, 13:42
thanks but i can't seem to see the ickstream plusin in the plugin section of lms

ok found it

nervoteso
2015-02-13, 02:13
a question, i'm on 7.2.2, i'm not a beta tester, could i use ickstream? which the difference between using www.mysqueezebox or ickstream? can i use both?

pippin
2015-02-13, 03:40
Yes, you can use both.
It's an open beta so anybody with a Squeezebox can use it.
It works through a server-side plugin so you can't use it without the server running, right now.

Squeezemenicely
2015-02-13, 03:46
Sorry for crashing this thread. But I simply cannot get rad.io to play any music.

I am using the updated plugin, but no sound.

remd
2015-02-13, 12:42
Sorry for crashing this thread. But I simply cannot get rad.io to play any music.

I am using the updated plugin, but no sound.

Same here, we're looking into it..

pippin
2015-02-17, 00:26
Sorry for crashing this thread. But I simply cannot get rad.io to play any music.

I am using the updated plugin, but no sound.

Rad.io (now Radio.net in ickStream) should now work again through the ickStream plugin.

Peiter
2015-02-19, 05:55
WiMP HiFi has a known issue that it is far from all the music that is in FLAC quality (about 20% are still in MP3. The 20% is confirmed by a DK HiFi dealer for about half a year ago).

Can it be confirmed with certainty that Tidal is exclusively FLAC streaming?

/ P

CommanderROR
2015-02-19, 06:43
Tidal should be exactly the same as Wimp, so also plenty pf mp3 content left. If you want all-FLAC then go with Qobuz or maybe wait for Deezer Elite. Qobuz is great, but they have some gaps in their catalogue that others don't...

Mnyb
2015-02-23, 01:19
WiMP HiFi has a known issue that it is far from all the music that is in FLAC quality (about 20% are still in MP3. The 20% is confirmed by a DK HiFi dealer for about half a year ago).

Can it be confirmed with certainty that Tidal is exclusively FLAC streaming?

/ P

Got this confirmed today WIMP HIFI is currently 80% FLAC . what you can do is to report mp3 only music when you find it and hopefully they fix it .

remd
2015-04-03, 10:23
For those who haven't tried out TIDAL and High-Fidelity streaming yet, you can get a 30 day Free Voucher from your ickStream account.

More details from our newsletter or on our blog (http://blog.ickstream.com/index.php?post/2015/04/03/ickStream-Tidal-Hi-Fidelity-streaming-promotion)

Instructions are also available on our Wiki (http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Promotions)


Enjoy!

Peiter
2015-04-05, 02:32
Tidal sent me an email the other day, now my WiMP HiFi credentials are also valid for Tidal. I then installed ickStream plugin for LMS 7.8.1 without problems. Many thanks to the ickstream team ... well done!

Peiter
2015-04-05, 03:07
I have a change request relating to the display of playback information in LMS:

Here playback via Tidal, designed by ickStream

17841

And here WiMP, designed by M.Herger

17842

Is it possible to make ickStream Tidal/WiMP playback to show similar information as M.Herger has done with his WiMP plugin ? Please :)


My player information:

Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.1 - 1427865313 @ Thu Apr 2 03:04:51 CUT 2015
Værtsnavn: Ultrabook
Serverens IP-adresse: 10.0.1.115
Serverens HTTP-portnummer: 9000
Styresystem: Windows 8 - DA - cp1252
Platformarkitektur: 8664
Perl-version: 5.14.1 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
Databaseversion: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1)

mherger
2015-04-05, 22:04
> Is it possible to make ickStream Tidal/WiMP playback to show similar
> information as M.Herger has done with his WiMP plugin ? Please :)

If all you're looking for is the "PCM VBR, FLAC", then you can put a
sticker on your screen. It's a hard coded value only controlled by the
lossless flac in a stream.

--

Michael

Mnyb
2015-04-05, 22:43
Is it not there ? maybe you have to go to "more info" in a menu to see that .

It can actually be different , they are not 100% flac yet but rely somewhat on users to report when there is an mp3 track in your hifi service

Peiter
2015-04-06, 01:43
Correct understood. I'm looking for the "PCM VBR, FLAC" when FLAC files are streamed or the "256k CBR, MP3" when MP3 files are streamed ... instead of the Zer0 I'm getting now.

callesoroe
2015-04-06, 03:52
Tidal sent me an email the other day, now my WiMP HiFi credentials are also valid for Tidal. I then installed ickStream plugin for LMS 7.8.1 without problems. Many thanks to the ickstream team ... well done!
Hi Peiter!

How did you get Tidal to work. I can not se my Tidal access through Ickstream. Only my Wimp access. Se my post here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-!/page29

I have enabled Tidal and entered my credentials, but I can not see my players.

remd
2015-04-06, 04:11
Hi Peiter!

How did you get Tidal to work. I can not se my Tidal access through Ickstream. Only my Wimp access. Se my post here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-!/page29

I have enabled Tidal and entered my credentials, but I can not see my players.

You can send an email about it and share your ickStream account to support@ickstream.com and we'll look into it.

Peiter
2015-04-06, 04:17
Hi Peiter!

How did you get Tidal to work. I can not se my Tidal access through Ickstream. Only my Wimp access. Se my post here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-!/page29

I have enabled Tidal and entered my credentials, but I can not see my players.

Hello Michael

I just followed the guide at http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Installation

Maybe the ickStream team can help you if you ask in http://forum.ickstream.com/viewforum.php?f=11

callesoroe
2015-04-06, 05:23
Hello Michael

I just followed the guide at http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Installation

Maybe the ickStream team can help you if you ask in http://forum.ickstream.com/viewforum.php?f=11

Hmm.... As you can see on my screenshots. I have done all that... ? Maybe I will try to uninstall and install the plugin.

pippin
2015-04-06, 05:27
You are trying to access Tidal with a WiMP account, right? We have to investigate whether this works right away or whether we have to do anything special to do that but haven't heard back on it from Tidal, it's the Holidays, you know :)

But the two services should be the same.

callesoroe
2015-04-06, 11:21
You are trying to access Tidal with a WiMP account, right? We have to investigate whether this works right away or whether we have to do anything special to do that but haven't heard back on it from Tidal, it's the Holidays, you know :)

But the two services should be the same.

Hi!

Yes but it seems to work for Peiter... so it is a bit strange.

pippin
2015-04-06, 11:23
We are talking about WiMP HiFi accounts, don't we?

bb1959
2015-04-06, 14:32
The world is coming to an end. Why? Because I can no longer import the playlists that I have created/saved in Spotify. The import function no longer works with Tidal. This was from customer support:

Hello,

That feature is not available at the moment, but you can browse the several expertly curated playlists thats on the TIDAL app.

Best Regards,

Joe
TIDAL Support

Any ideas on a workaround?

Brooks

callesoroe
2015-04-07, 02:16
We are talking about WiMP HiFi accounts, don't we?

yes

Peiter
2015-04-07, 04:35
yes
Yes we are ...

Jeff Flowerday
2015-04-07, 07:31
Is there anything else I have to do to get the content to show up under artists and albums etc? I'm getting a "no content available" message.



Nevermind, I assume it's a Tidal thing. Seems only Featured is working through squeezebox.

garym
2015-04-07, 08:12
Is there anything else I have to do to get the content to show up under artists and albums etc? I'm getting a "no content available" message.



Nevermind, I assume it's a Tidal thing. Seems only Featured is working through squeezebox.

no, other things too. But I had same confusion. One has to SEARCH for an artist. Then choose artist, albums, tracks, etc. Simply clicking on ARTIST at top menu level doesn't take you to a browsable list of artists...it just shows no content. But you can add artists, albums, etc. to your own playlists and they show up in LMS > Tidal. Seems like favoriting an artist or album doesn't make it show up automatically in LMS > tidal

Jeff Flowerday
2015-04-07, 09:31
no, other things too. But I had same confusion. One has to SEARCH for an artist. Then choose artist, albums, tracks, etc. Simply clicking on ARTIST at top menu level doesn't take you to a browsable list of artists...it just shows no content. But you can add artists, albums, etc. to your own playlists and they show up in LMS > Tidal. Seems like favoriting an artist or album doesn't make it show up automatically in LMS > tidal

It's the same way in the iPhone app, no browsable list of artists or albums. You have to search, go through "what's new" or genres.

menno
2015-04-10, 04:22
How do Tidal justify ripping off their UK customers for £19.99 when a US customer pays only £13.68 ($19.99)??

No wonder consumers just download flacs for free from elsewhere...

Peiter
2015-04-10, 07:50
In Denmark it's $28,15 / £19,29 :mad:

Otto-Wilhelm
2015-04-11, 08:36
It's the same way in the iPhone app, no browsable list of artists or albums. You have to search, go through "what's new" or genres.

Unter "Artists" and "Albums" you will see only those artists and albums you have marked as favorite. I think this is fine. Was is missing, however, is the possibility to have a substructur in your favorite albums and artists. I would like to have the possibility to define folders of different favorite artists/albums, eg. of the same genre.

Of course, I would also like to have the choice to search for new music in browsable lists of artists or albums. Via search I can find only albums and artists I know.

pippin
2015-05-01, 06:30
Yesterday we rolled out a change so that ickStream now also includes support for the TIDAL Rising ( https://listen.tidalhifi.com/rising ) and TIDAL Discovery ( http://listen.tidalhifi.com/discovery ) features.
If you are using ickStream on a Squeezebox System: the menus are cached so might only show up after a while, if you want to get them immediately, please restart your server.

You can of course still get 30 day test vouchers for TIDAL through ickStream: http://blog.ickstream.com/

justwords
2015-05-03, 13:32
Yesterday we rolled out a change so that ickStream now also includes support for the TIDAL Rising ( https://listen.tidalhifi.com/rising ) and TIDAL Discovery ( http://listen.tidalhifi.com/discovery ) features.
If you are using ickStream on a Squeezebox System: the menus are cached so might only show up after a while, if you want to get them immediately, please restart your server.

You can of course still get 30 day test vouchers for TIDAL through ickStream: http://blog.ickstream.com/

I use lms on my nas Western digital myBook Live NAS, which does run debian but not on arm. Which plugin might work?

remd
2015-05-03, 14:35
I use lms on my nas Western digital myBook Live NAS, which does run debian but not on arm. Which plugin might work?

The Western digital myBook Live NAS seems to run on an Micro APM82181 CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Digital_My_Book , http://c1170156.r56.cf3.rackcdn.com/UK_AMC_APM82181-SKE1000T_DS.pdf), if this is the case its probably not going to work, as ickStream only supports Intel and ARM CPU's (http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox_Installation)

We'll check how much effort it would take to support it and if it makes sense.

mapebu
2015-05-19, 02:01
I've got 2 questions regarding ickstream + TIDAL:

The search deliveres a lot of hits. It would be nice to have a "pure album" search which finds whole albums (of the band) only. To cover the rest (compilations) there should be a separate search function.
It is quite clumsy to dig through dozens of compilation albums to find the "important stuff". Well for me it is :)

Secondly I am not satisifed with he handling of favorites: In the old WIMP plugin (which is not working anymore) I could add songs or entire albums as a favorite.
In ickstream + TIDAL it's only possible to add songs and not albums. Or if I'm wrong here: How can I accomplish that?

I tried IPeng (8) and the web interface but couldn't find a menu or submenu or icon to do that.

Thank you

Marcus

Setup: Linux server with LMS 7.9, player is squeezelite (and my Squeezebox radios)

pippin
2015-05-19, 06:02
We'll have to look at the search, I don't know how much of that is configurable.
The Favorites are on the To-Do-List

mapebu
2015-05-21, 03:10
We'll have to look at the search, I don't know how much of that is configurable.
The Favorites are on the To-Do-List

As a matter of fact the Wimp plugin is working properly again.
I think the ickStream will be a nice aggregator if those issues are getting resolved.

Thanks for your answers!

john greenwood
2015-06-02, 05:35
I couldn't figure out how to search for this, so pardon me if it has been asked and answered.

I have seen some reports that some Tidal tracks have a frequency of 22.05khz (i.e. half of 44.1khz). That seems very odd to me, as I should think a lot of DACs are not designed for that. Is it true, and if so, how does LMS/ickStream handle it?

pippin
2015-06-02, 06:53
I doubt that. Are you sure that someone didn't mix up sample rate and frequency ceiling, which is half of the sample rate?

john greenwood
2015-06-02, 07:07
I doubt that. Are you sure that someone didn't mix up sample rate and frequency ceiling, which is half of the sample rate?

Here's the link.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/strange-roon-conversion-22-05-khz-44-1-khz-24596/

pippin
2015-06-02, 07:17
I think that's rather a roon quirk. AAC will very unlikely be anything but 44.1

john greenwood
2015-06-04, 07:28
I think that's rather a roon quirk. AAC will very unlikely be anything but 44.1

There's further information now in the thread I linked to above. It all seems rather strange.

pippin
2015-06-04, 07:43
Still sounds like a roon issue.

john greenwood
2015-06-18, 14:14
I've been accessing Tidal though ickStream for 2 weeks now, and I have 2 issues to report.

1. A couple of times a day while listening to Tidal via ickStream, I will lose connection to the LMS. When this happens, and I try to open up the web control, it generally cannot open the page. After perhaps 5-10 minutes the music will start up again and the page will load.

This would happen on occasion even before I added ickStream, but much less often, and the reconnection would happen more quickly.

My LMS is connected to my router via Ethernet.

2. IckStream seems to limit playlists to 200 tracks (although Tidal can handle larger playlists). Perhaps I should explain why this is a problem for me.

There are quite a few classical mega-boxes on Tidal with more than 200 tracks. For instance, I discovered the problem when I tried to listen to Haydn's Symphony No. 75 from the Dorati cycle (425 tracks in total). It would not play. It didn't matter whether I selected the box set as an album or created a playlist for it. Ultimately the only way I could play it was to create a playlist using the web interface of the entire box and then delete (1 by 1) the first 200 tracks.

FYI - LMS is set for playlists of up to 750 tracks.

pippin
2015-06-19, 00:18
I haven't seen or heard about #1 so far. #2 is probably to keep response times when looking up playlists at bay, we'll have to see what's doable there.

john greenwood
2015-06-19, 05:37
I haven't seen or heard about #1 so far. #2 is probably to keep response times when looking up playlists at bay, we'll have to see what's doable there.

No. 1 is one of those intermittent problems so beloved by both tech support and customers. :)

As per a suggestion on the ickStream Forum, I have turned debug logging on.

Mnyb
2015-07-06, 02:16
There seems to be a problem with ickstreams WIMP plugin VS logitechs ?

Many albums shows just "empty" and there is no tracks aviable ? Lots of content missing .

Example Keb Mo "The Door" works fine with official plugin not with ickstreams wimp .

FYI using lms 7.9 on Linux from Sweden .

pippin
2015-07-06, 08:15
I've heard this before but for the life of me can't reproduce it or find any errors in the logs. I wonder whether it's about timeouts or country restrictions or the like.

Mnyb
2015-07-06, 13:39
I've heard this before but for the life of me can't reproduce it or find any errors in the logs. I wonder whether it's about timeouts or country restrictions or the like.

The Door with Keb Mo .

IckStream Wimp :

http://192.168.1.50:9000/plugins/ickstream/index.html?index=4.10_Keb%2520Mo.0.0.10&player=00%3A04%3A20%3A22%3A26%3Add&sess=

Logitech Wimp :

http://192.168.1.50:9000/plugins/wimp/index.html?index=596cb3a8.13_Keb%2520Mo.0.0.0.11&player=00%3A04%3A20%3A22%3A26%3Add&sess=


This is consistently reproducible at my place about 50% if this artist albums does not work .

What kind of log do you suggest ? is this good enough "debug" on everything ickstream while selecting this album

pippin
2015-07-06, 17:44
This is indeed interesting. I can reproduce it. It works fine with Tidal but not WiMP, which surprises me.

We'll have to look into this.

terjehaa
2015-07-08, 16:12
There seems to be a problem with ickstreams WIMP plugin VS logitechs ?

Many albums shows just "empty" and there is no tracks aviable ? Lots of content missing .

Example Keb Mo "The Door" works fine with official plugin not with ickstreams wimp .

FYI using lms 7.9 on Linux from Sweden .

Same issue for me.
Does not work with ickstream Tidal either.
I live in Norway, LMS 7.8.0 on win7

callesoroe
2015-07-14, 01:06
There seems to be a problem with ickstreams WIMP plugin VS logitechs ?

Many albums shows just "empty" and there is no tracks aviable ? Lots of content missing .

Example Keb Mo "The Door" works fine with official plugin not with ickstreams wimp .

FYI using lms 7.9 on Linux from Sweden .

Same i Denmark. Works with official Wimp plugin but not through Ickstream.
It Works fine through Tidal and Ickstream with wimp hifi account.

Great album by the way :)
LOOOOOVE Keb' Mo'

pippin
2015-07-14, 08:08
We are talking to WiMP/TIDAL support, we are getting some weird results from their API, let's hope they'll find something....

Peiter
2015-09-07, 05:46
5 months ago I wrote this http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102381-Tidal-Hi-Resolution-Streams-available-on-ickStream-soon-for-all-Squeezebox-users!&p=814752&viewfull=1#post814752 and this bugreport https://bugs.ickstream.com/issues/380 was made by the ickstream team. Is it possible to get the bug fixed (this year) ?

Please :cool: