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John M.
2004-12-04, 12:59
Thanks, this was helpful.

I could use Apple Lossless instead of FLAC. That would solve that part of
the problem.

I do like iTunes a lot, but I would have to figure out how to separate the
MP3s I have on my iPod and the lossless CDs I want to use the SB for. This
sounds like it could be difficult.

I wonder if it's possible to have two installations of iTunes running on one
computer, one for the SB and one for my iPod.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
> Howard Darwen
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:09 AM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>
> you will sus this out when you get the squeezebox.
>
> a few pointers:
>
> iTunes does not support FLAC, so that rules it out if you are
> set on FLAC.
>
> not sure how slim behaves now when you have 2 copies of the
> same song in different formats, but it used to get very
> confused. so you are prob best splitting lossless and lossy files.
>
> using the iTunes library is really only of benefit if you use
> iTunes to manage all your music exclusively - slim can pick
> up the changes directly without a re-scan. you also get smart
> playlists and stuff, which are kool, but if you don't do
> everything in iTunes i wouldn't use it.
>
> thx.
>
> h.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of John M.
> Sent: 04 December 2004 18:31
> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>
>
> Hmmm...I can't imagine no one knows this stuff.
>
> Maybe I asked too many questions? I would be grateful for an
> answer to even one... :)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of John M.
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:17 AM
> > To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> > Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I just took the plunge and ordered my first SB. I'm confused about
> > whether and how to integrate iTunes and SlimServer.
> >
> > My wife and I have 250 CDs that we're going to finally
> start listening
> > to again thanks to SB. My plan is to get an external
> firewire HD and
> > put all the CDs on there in FLAC format for SlimServer. That part
> > seems pretty straightforward to me.
> >
> > But I also have an iPod and a whole bunch of music on
> iTunes, some of
> > which I also have on CD, some of which I don't have the CD
> for. What
> > to do about this? I don't want to put those 250 CDs onto
> my iPod, and
> > furthermore I want them in lossless format which would fill
> up my iPod
> > too quickly.
> >
> > What are the advantages and disadvantages to using iTunes with
> > SlimServer?
> >
> > Is it possible/practical to keep my iTunes library separate
> yet have
> > them both available to SlimServer? Wouldn't this cause the
> albums I
> > have on both CD and my iPod to show up twice? My plan is
> to manually
> > copy the folders in my iTunes library to the external HD and then
> > maintain two completely separate libraries.
> >
> > I also want to be able to listen to Internet radio through
> iTunes over
> > SlimServer. Is there a way to do this without causing
> SlimServer to
> > index my iTunes library?
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions!
> >
> > John
> >
> >

Iain Donaldson (Mailing Lists)
2004-12-04, 13:41
John:

You can sort of do this with the iTunes library manager

http://www.malcolmadams.com/itunes/itinfo/ituneslibrarymanager.php

What I have is two iTunes libraries managed by the iTunesLibrary
manager - one for lossless files (where I rip CDs) and one for lossy
files (which I stick in my iPod).

My slimserver runs on FedoraCore2 (linux) and my Macs in the house
connected to the music library via nfs. I am in the process of
converting my library to lossless and at the moment am choosing AIFF as
the best way to go. This is simply because:

1) AppleLossless doesn't work on Linux yet (only Windows and MacOSX)
and i really prefer Linux for the server having had a MacOS X one
before and sword never to have a windows server after managing them at
work ;)
2) iTunes embeds ID3 tags in AIFF files, but doesn't in wav

What I'm working on at the moment is a script to automatically
regenerate (if necessary) the lossy library regularly so that I can
just rip at lossless and let the script do the hardwork later on. I'm
having a problem getting at the AIFF ID3 tags from perl tho' so this
may not be the end of the matter.

The downsides of this approach are:

1) AIFF is uncompressed so uses huge amounts of disk space
2) Playlists are all over the place and not easily transferrable (well
they probably are but I'd have to do some XML decode of the iTunes
library - maybe once I just get the files done) - then again maybe
different playlists for different media is reasonable :)

The upsides are that I get a portable optimised library of 128kbit's or
less MP3 and either lossless or HQ mp3 for home use that slimserver
streams fine.

Not sure this helps, but it's one perspective.

Cheers

...Iain

On 4 Dec 2004, at 19:59, John M. wrote:

> Thanks, this was helpful.
>
> I could use Apple Lossless instead of FLAC. That would solve that
> part of
> the problem.
>
> I do like iTunes a lot, but I would have to figure out how to separate
> the
> MP3s I have on my iPod and the lossless CDs I want to use the SB for.
> This
> sounds like it could be difficult.
>
> I wonder if it's possible to have two installations of iTunes running
> on one
> computer, one for the SB and one for my iPod.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
>> Howard Darwen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:09 AM
>> To: Slim Devices Discussion
>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>
>> you will sus this out when you get the squeezebox.
>>
>> a few pointers:
>>
>> iTunes does not support FLAC, so that rules it out if you are
>> set on FLAC.
>>
>> not sure how slim behaves now when you have 2 copies of the
>> same song in different formats, but it used to get very
>> confused. so you are prob best splitting lossless and lossy files.
>>
>> using the iTunes library is really only of benefit if you use
>> iTunes to manage all your music exclusively - slim can pick
>> up the changes directly without a re-scan. you also get smart
>> playlists and stuff, which are kool, but if you don't do
>> everything in iTunes i wouldn't use it.
>>
>> thx.
>>
>> h.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of John M.
>> Sent: 04 December 2004 18:31
>> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>
>>
>> Hmmm...I can't imagine no one knows this stuff.
>>
>> Maybe I asked too many questions? I would be grateful for an
>> answer to even one... :)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of John M.
>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:17 AM
>>> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just took the plunge and ordered my first SB. I'm confused about
>>> whether and how to integrate iTunes and SlimServer.
>>>
>>> My wife and I have 250 CDs that we're going to finally
>> start listening
>>> to again thanks to SB. My plan is to get an external
>> firewire HD and
>>> put all the CDs on there in FLAC format for SlimServer. That part
>>> seems pretty straightforward to me.
>>>
>>> But I also have an iPod and a whole bunch of music on
>> iTunes, some of
>>> which I also have on CD, some of which I don't have the CD
>> for. What
>>> to do about this? I don't want to put those 250 CDs onto
>> my iPod, and
>>> furthermore I want them in lossless format which would fill
>> up my iPod
>>> too quickly.
>>>
>>> What are the advantages and disadvantages to using iTunes with
>>> SlimServer?
>>>
>>> Is it possible/practical to keep my iTunes library separate
>> yet have
>>> them both available to SlimServer? Wouldn't this cause the
>> albums I
>>> have on both CD and my iPod to show up twice? My plan is
>> to manually
>>> copy the folders in my iTunes library to the external HD and then
>>> maintain two completely separate libraries.
>>>
>>> I also want to be able to listen to Internet radio through
>> iTunes over
>>> SlimServer. Is there a way to do this without causing
>> SlimServer to
>>> index my iTunes library?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>

Steven Moore
2004-12-04, 14:05
If you are using a mac(OS X) you could set up a dummy account just for
your ipod with it's own itunes folder(lossy) and use your main account
with it's own itunes folder(lossless) could handle your squeezbox
stuff.
The only problem with this is you may have to rip the cd's twice, and
you would have to be careful to connect the ipod only when in your
dummy account.

Steven
On 4 Dec 2004, at 7:59 pm, John M. wrote:

> Thanks, this was helpful.
>
> I could use Apple Lossless instead of FLAC. That would solve that
> part of
> the problem.
>
> I do like iTunes a lot, but I would have to figure out how to separate
> the
> MP3s I have on my iPod and the lossless CDs I want to use the SB for.
> This
> sounds like it could be difficult.
>
> I wonder if it's possible to have two installations of iTunes running
> on one
> computer, one for the SB and one for my iPod.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
>> Howard Darwen
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:09 AM
>> To: Slim Devices Discussion
>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>
>> you will sus this out when you get the squeezebox.
>>
>> a few pointers:
>>
>> iTunes does not support FLAC, so that rules it out if you are
>> set on FLAC.
>>
>> not sure how slim behaves now when you have 2 copies of the
>> same song in different formats, but it used to get very
>> confused. so you are prob best splitting lossless and lossy files.
>>
>> using the iTunes library is really only of benefit if you use
>> iTunes to manage all your music exclusively - slim can pick
>> up the changes directly without a re-scan. you also get smart
>> playlists and stuff, which are kool, but if you don't do
>> everything in iTunes i wouldn't use it.
>>
>> thx.
>>
>> h.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of John M.
>> Sent: 04 December 2004 18:31
>> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>
>>
>> Hmmm...I can't imagine no one knows this stuff.
>>
>> Maybe I asked too many questions? I would be grateful for an
>> answer to even one... :)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of John M.
>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:17 AM
>>> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>> Subject: [slim] How to integrate my new SB with iTunes?
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just took the plunge and ordered my first SB. I'm confused about
>>> whether and how to integrate iTunes and SlimServer.
>>>
>>> My wife and I have 250 CDs that we're going to finally
>> start listening
>>> to again thanks to SB. My plan is to get an external
>> firewire HD and
>>> put all the CDs on there in FLAC format for SlimServer. That part
>>> seems pretty straightforward to me.
>>>
>>> But I also have an iPod and a whole bunch of music on
>> iTunes, some of
>>> which I also have on CD, some of which I don't have the CD
>> for. What
>>> to do about this? I don't want to put those 250 CDs onto
>> my iPod, and
>>> furthermore I want them in lossless format which would fill
>> up my iPod
>>> too quickly.
>>>
>>> What are the advantages and disadvantages to using iTunes with
>>> SlimServer?
>>>
>>> Is it possible/practical to keep my iTunes library separate
>> yet have
>>> them both available to SlimServer? Wouldn't this cause the
>> albums I
>>> have on both CD and my iPod to show up twice? My plan is
>> to manually
>>> copy the folders in my iTunes library to the external HD and then
>>> maintain two completely separate libraries.
>>>
>>> I also want to be able to listen to Internet radio through
>> iTunes over
>>> SlimServer. Is there a way to do this without causing
>> SlimServer to
>>> index my iTunes library?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>

Steve Burling
2004-12-04, 15:35
--On Saturday, December 4, 2004 11:59:33 AM EST -0800 "John M."
<mail (AT) machtinger (DOT) com> wrote:

> I wonder if it's possible to have two installations of iTunes running on
> one computer, one for the SB and one for my iPod.

To which I reply:

Sure -- create two different accounts. Each has its own library. And if
you tell iTunes not to "manage" your music library, you can even mix all
the files into one location, but only tell iTunes about the ones you want
for each account.

This is how I have things set up at home, with one additional wrinkle. I
have an old G4 in the basement that's my mail/web/music server, which is
where the slim server runs. It exports the music library via NFS. Our
upstairs office desktop machine mounts that library, and I use it as *my*
iTunes library, for my account. My wife has her own iTunes library, some
of which she rips herself, and which ends up in her iTunes folder, and some
of which are just pointers to *my* iTunes library. Every so often, I move
the things that she has ripped down onto the server, and fix up her iTunes
library so that now points at those rather than the local copies.

My ultimate goal is to have everything happening to the single library on
the box running on the slim server, but I haven't quite gotten there yet.

--
Steve Burling <mailto:srb (AT) umich (DOT) edu>
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