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donmacn
2014-08-19, 09:06
Hi folks,

I'm in the position where I have a couple of spare SB3s, and one of my kids is asking about using one and LMS to listen to their music. I've explained that it could all be put onto the Vortexbox and accessed, but I think the risk of stumbling onto my 'oldie' stuff is off-putting!

What's the best/easiest way to create some sort of 'ring-fenced' music source? I can see that I could resurrect another version of LMS on the PC and let the SB3s access that - but I'm sure there must be something a bit less 'clunky'.

I'll admit that I don't use playlists at all - if I want to listen to something specific I'll search for it and play it in the overall directory, or I'll listen to internet radio. So I'm sure that LMS has huge music management capabilities that I haven't ever used. Is it in this sort of area that I'll find my answer?

Thanks for any replies. I did have a quick search but couldn't find anything directly relevant. Apologies if this is an 'FAQ' that I've just missed.

Ta

Donald

w3wilkes
2014-08-19, 10:24
I'm surprised you hadn't seen or heard of this on these forums.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Multi_Library_plugin

DJanGo
2014-08-19, 10:28
Hi,

depends on "how old are the kids..."

my workaround (for my nearly 5 year old) is :

* add a separate folder to my Musiclib
* set this folder as the first point for music to scan - thats to be shure e.g the Audiobooks from "Connie" are always the first "Connie" and not something like Connie Froboes.
* add a entry webpage to my lms with some pics that my daughter can easy choose to listen "Music" or "Audiobooks"

* drop the link to the Homescreen of my Idevices and show my daughter how it works.




<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">
<title>Amelie - Home</title>
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="amelie.ico">
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/nav.css" media="screen">
</head>
<body>
<ul class="tab">
<li class="active"><a href="index.html"><span>Home</span></a></li>
<li><a
href="/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+items&linktitle=SEARCH&mode=search/?mode=search&index=0_conni.0&player=00%3A04%3A20%3Aca%3Afe%3A01&sess=""><span>Connie</span></a></li>
<li><a
href="/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+items&linktitle=SEARCH&mode=search/?mode=search&index=0_rolf.2&player=00%3A04%3A20%3Aca%3Afe%3A01&sess=""><span>Rolf</span></a></li>
</ul>
<br>
<table id="content" width="800" border="0">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>snip</th>
<th>snap</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td></td>
<th><a
href="/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+items&linktitle=SEARCH&mode=search/?mode=search&index=0_conni.0&player=00%3A04%3A20%3Aca%3Afe%3A01&sess=">
<img src="/html/images/conni.jpg" height="50%" alt="Conni" /></a></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<th><a
href="/clixmlbrowser/clicmd=browselibrary+items&linktitle=SEARCH&mode=search/?mode=search&index=0_rolf.2&player=00%3A04%3A20%3Aca%3Afe%3A01&sess=">
<img src="/html/images/kinder.jpg" height="50%" alt="Rolf" /></a></th>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</body>

</html>

mherger
2014-08-19, 11:07
You could give 7.9 a try: it offers an "Extended Browse Menus" plugin which allows you to disable menu items per player, create new browse modes etc. I'm using this to build a custom Kids Music menu (based on genres), which my kids know to navigate. It's all they use. Using a Radio has the additional benefit of showing artwork - which simplifies selection for my soon to be five year old a great deal.

Michael

> Am 19.08.2014 um 18:06 schrieb donmacn <donmacn.6j3sfz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm in the position where I have a couple of spare SB3s, and one of my
> kids is asking about using one and LMS to listen to their music. I've
> explained that it could all be put onto the Vortexbox and accessed, but
> I think the risk of stumbling onto my 'oldie' stuff is off-putting!
>
> What's the best/easiest way to create some sort of 'ring-fenced' music
> source? I can see that I could resurrect another version of LMS on the
> PC and let the SB3s access that - but I'm sure there must be something a
> bit less 'clunky'.
>
> I'll admit that I don't use playlists at all - if I want to listen to
> something specific I'll search for it and play it in the overall
> directory, or I'll listen to internet radio. So I'm sure that LMS has
> huge music management capabilities that I haven't ever used. Is it in
> this sort of area that I'll find my answer?
>
> Thanks for any replies. I did have a quick search but couldn't find
> anything directly relevant. Apologies if this is an 'FAQ' that I've just
> missed.
>
> Ta
>
> Donald
>
>
>
> SB "user" since 2000...
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> Spares - 1xClassic; 2xSB1
> Controlled by iPad using 'Squeezepad'
> Vortexbox appliance running LMS version 7.8
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donmacn
2014-08-20, 03:08
Thanks guys,

I guess I should clarify a little! When I say kids, I’m actually dealing with a 16 and 13 y/o. They’ve grown up alongside the SB system and have a decent idea of its capabilities, but until now have tended to listen to their own music on ipod or smartphones. Like most kids of that age I suspect, they’re quite tech-savvy enough to use an SB3.

The issue definitely isn’t one of controlling what they hear – perhaps controlling what I hear is more of an issue! I do occasionally use the ‘random play’ option, and I’m not sure I’d like the sort of genre jump that might be involved if more of their content was on the server.

Having said that, the easiest thing to do here would definitely be just to put their music on the server and let them navigate to that. However, I suspect most of their content is in MP3 format rather than the FLAC library I’m still in the process of recreating. LMS is pointed at this FLAC directory, and while there is an MP3 ‘mirror’ for the ipods I use while travelling, or in the car, LMS doesn’t look at it at all. Presumably I could just drop some MP3 files into the FLAC folders, given that LMS can stream them both anyway.

The other option is the separate directory …


I'm surprised you hadn't seen or heard of this on these forums. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Multi_Library_plugin

WW – like I said, I’d just never needed to look or even think about it until now. As I said, I’ve always just kept to a very ‘plain vanilla’ installation and use of LMS – probably not even scratching the surface of its capabilities. I’ll admit it didn’t occur to me to look at the wiki for an answer. This plugin does look like it would do what I’m after, if I do eventually decide to go that way.


You could give 7.9 a try: it offers an "Extended Browse Menus" plugin which allows you to disable menu items per player, create new browse modes etc. I'm using this to build a custom Kids Music menu (based on genres), which my kids know to navigate. It's all they use. Using a Radio has the additional benefit of showing artwork - which simplifies selection for my soon to be five year old a great deal.
Michael
Thanks Michael. I’m obviously aware of 7.9 but I hadn’t really considered it yet partly because I could see there were threads on library scan issues etc. Also, because I have fairly basic LMS requirements I’ve never really rushed to be at the ‘cutting edge’. I much prefer to use something tried and tested and stable. I’ll take the time to look at it now.

Thanks again all.

RonM
2014-08-20, 06:47
It strikes me that the easiest thing to do is to manage this with genres. You could use MP3 tag to have the kids tag their music with their name(s), or some other identifier. From a storage point of view, they could just be mixed in with everything else, and would show up on the master lists of titles/authors/albums. Alternatively, put all of their music into separate sub-folders within the main library (will still scan), which might make tagging with the appropriate genre easier (MP3 tag takes a folder at a time, so this will only work for batch tagging if the individual albums/artists aren't in separate sub-folders). You can use multiple tags, so something could be tagged with both "metal" and "Mary".

For teens, this seems way the easiest, rather than going to a technological fix.

It's a similar idea to Michael's, but without the customization.

R.

garym
2014-08-20, 07:21
It strikes me that the easiest thing to do is to manage this with genres. You could use MP3 tag to have the kids tag their music with their name(s), or some other identifier. From a storage point of view, they could just be mixed in with everything else, and would show up on the master lists of titles/authors/albums. Alternatively, put all of their music into separate sub-folders within the main library (will still scan), which might make tagging with the appropriate genre easier (MP3 tag takes a folder at a time, so this will only work for batch tagging if the individual albums/artists aren't in separate sub-folders). You can use multiple tags, so something could be tagged with both "metal" and "Mary".

For teens, this seems way the easiest, rather than going to a technological fix.

It's a similar idea to Michael's, but without the customization.

R.

agree. and I'd emphasize creating a separate subdirectory in your music library parent directory for keeping the kids music. Then it is easy to manage (copy to another location, delete when no longer needed, etc.). Because of the way my VB Server works I have:

\music\flac\artist\album\....
\music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album....

This way I can easily isolate what's in my FLAC vs lossy library. Make sure that any music program other than LMS that uses these directories is setup to NOT automatically organize the files (e.g., itunes would automatically move all those lossyonly files under the same artist subdirectories in the flac directory if I didn't turn off that option in itunes.

donmacn
2014-08-20, 08:32
Thanks guys for these suggestions.

I think this parent/sub-folder option does sound like a good compromise between ease, function and technicality.

I guess I could also ‘copy’ MP3 versions of duplicate artists (those that might show up in both kids and adult libraries) into this .. \music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album.. sub-folder? Or would that be taking things too far and end up confusing the LMS scanning?

By that I mean: Let’s say ‘Coldplay’ is an artist in my original VB\music\flac\… library, but is also favoured by the kids. If I dropped MP3 versions of the ‘Coldplay’ albums into the kids' VB\music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album sub-folder, then I’m assuming these versions would show up somehow as duplicates when LMS scanned the parent and sub-folders??

The same question could apply to genres. If I had tagged Coldplay ‘FLAC’ files under the ‘pop’ genre, or whatever, and then re-ripped it and tagged it with ‘kids’ genre, would I end up with confusing duplicates??

Hope that makes sense?

Ta

garym
2014-08-20, 08:36
Thanks guys for these suggestions.

I think this parent/sub-folder option does sound like a good compromise between ease, function and technicality.

I guess I could also ‘copy’ MP3 versions of duplicate artists (those that might show up in both kids and adult libraries) into this .. \music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album.. sub-folder? Or would that be taking things too far and end up confusing the LMS scanning?

By that I mean: Let’s say ‘Coldplay’ is an artist in my original VB\music\flac\… library, but is also favoured by the kids. If I dropped MP3 versions of the ‘Coldplay’ albums into the kids' VB\music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album sub-folder, then I’m assuming these versions would show up somehow as duplicates when LMS scanned the parent and sub-folders??

The same question could apply to genres. If I had tagged Coldplay ‘FLAC’ files under the ‘pop’ genre, or whatever, and then re-ripped it and tagged it with ‘kids’ genre, would I end up with confusing duplicates??

Hope that makes sense?

Ta

yes, if you have lossy and flac versions of same albums/songs and the tags are the same, you'll have duplicates in your LMS library. If I was going to do this, I'd either change the album titles for the lossy extra copies (e.g., Revolver (mp3)) or I'd change the genre (and for all the kids stuff I'd put their name or something in genre (Kid Pop, Kid Rock, Kid Hip Hop). Something so that at least you have an indication with the duplicates as to which are the ones YOU want. All this said, it seems to me you have the perfect situation for the multilibrary LMS plugin. Setup the kids players to use their library and yours to use your library. This way you'll avoid duplicates, even if you copy some of your files over to their library. And when they move away from home, you can just delete their library! ;-)

RonM
2014-08-20, 08:56
Thanks guys for these suggestions.

I think this parent/sub-folder option does sound like a good compromise between ease, function and technicality.

I guess I could also ‘copy’ MP3 versions of duplicate artists (those that might show up in both kids and adult libraries) into this .. \music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album.. sub-folder? Or would that be taking things too far and end up confusing the LMS scanning?

By that I mean: Let’s say ‘Coldplay’ is an artist in my original VB\music\flac\… library, but is also favoured by the kids. If I dropped MP3 versions of the ‘Coldplay’ albums into the kids' VB\music\flac\lossyonly\artist\album sub-folder, then I’m assuming these versions would show up somehow as duplicates when LMS scanned the parent and sub-folders??

The same question could apply to genres. If I had tagged Coldplay ‘FLAC’ files under the ‘pop’ genre, or whatever, and then re-ripped it and tagged it with ‘kids’ genre, would I end up with confusing duplicates??

Hope that makes sense?

Ta

I don't think you need to be too complicated here. You could leave "your" titles that are also of interest to the kids where they are, and have the dedicated sub-directory for their own music. Just add the relevant genre tag to your titles and they will show up for the kids. If there aren't too many of these, shouldn't be too hard to manage a transfer to some other location, and avoids the issue of duplicates. The kids cold just learn how to genre-tag these titles themselves, so they can pick and choose.

R.

donmacn
2014-08-20, 12:42
thanks again guys,

I'll need to wait till tomorrow evening to check this out further. Kids being kids, tonight's entertainment was a trip to 'Accident & Emergency' after she dropped a block on her foot...... thankfully the X-ray shows no harm done.

mherger
2014-08-20, 20:54
> yes, if you have lossy and flac versions of same albums/songs and the
> tags are the same, you'll have duplicates in your LMS library. If I was

Any of you tried 7.9? I tried to implement a filtered view which would
hide the lossy version in such cases.

--

Michael

didjean
2014-08-25, 12:35
> yes, if you have lossy and flac versions of same albums/songs and the
> tags are the same, you'll have duplicates in your LMS library. If I was

Any of you tried 7.9? I tried to implement a filtered view which would
hide the lossy version in such cases.

--

Michael

Not yet. Is 7.9 stable enough?

Funny to read this post as I was just thinking of installing a radio to my 6 years old son. Just wondering as I haven't tried nor investigated yet, is it possible to fix the volume up to 50 instead of 100?
Is it also possible to fully customize the home screen with just some elements and hide others?

Mnyb
2014-08-25, 18:05
Not yet. Is 7.9 stable enough?

Funny to read this post as I was just thinking of installing a radio to my 6 years old son. Just wondering as I haven't tried nor investigated yet, is it possible to fix the volume up to 50 instead of 100?
Is it also possible to fully customize the home screen with just some elements and hide others?

There is a plugin to limit the volume .